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    #1

    Devil's Throne

    As I was enjoying myself a few marshmallows with my friends by the fireplace. We started talking about jahanum (hell) cuz the wood crackling and fire sparked that discussion.

    It varied from the deviant jinns will be used as firewood for hell to the layer of Lucifer in the sea!! That was a new one for me. I find it hard to swallow that Shaytaan's throne is in the sea and when I asked the guy where did he come up with this, he said the Quran. I still don't believe him cuz its said the shayateen live in napaak places.

    Ok, someone please follow up on this for me
    Rabul MashriqaiN wal MaghribaiN
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    #2
    Perhaps they had in mind hadith from Sahih Muslim and other collections...

    Allah's Messenger (s) said: "The throne of Iblis (Satan) is upon the ocean and he sends detachments in order to put people to trial and the most important figure in his eyes is the one who is most notorious in sowing the seed of dissension." (Muslim #6754)

    Also, Allah's Messenger (s) said to Ibn Sayyad: "You see the throne of Iblis upon the water..." (Muslim #6992)

    Maybe Iblis was seeking to mimic the verse:

    {He (Allah) it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days - and His Throne was over the waters...} (11:7)

    And Allah knows best.

    Iqbal

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      #3
      jazak Allah brother Iqbal, very informative....
      Both Halal & Haram r evident but between them r doubtful things, most ppl have no knowledge about them. So whoever saves himself from suspicious things saves his religion & honor, & whoever indulges in suspicious things indulges in Haram.

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        #4
        just to add that it is gaurded by very big snakes...

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          #5
          Jazak'Allah khair for your responses.

          For both thrones there are characteristics (i.e. what fasal mentioned) can someone go in depth on them.
          Rabul MashriqaiN wal MaghribaiN

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            #6
            Is this the place that Satan lives and work from (according to the Qu'ran)?

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              #7
              Anyone?
              Rabul MashriqaiN wal MaghribaiN

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                #8
                The Old Man, trust the Qur'an to stay away from frivilous discourse.

                God is infinite in space and time hence it's clear that His 'throne' has a purely metaphorical connotation as used in 11:7.

                also take a look at:

                [7:54] Your Guardian-Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six days, and is firmly established on the throne (of authority) ......

                According to noted Qur'an scholar Muhammad Asad:

                "all Muslim scholars, classical and modern are unanimously of the opinion that it's metaphorical use in the Qur'an is meant to express God's absolute sway over all His creation."
                JaddoN kaddya jaloos ghareeba tay shehr ich choatalee lug gayee

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                  #9
                  ^
                  and what happened to your statements of always ignoring the writings within the parethesis....
                  or do u have selectivity when it comes to Quran????
                  Both Halal & Haram r evident but between them r doubtful things, most ppl have no knowledge about them. So whoever saves himself from suspicious things saves his religion & honor, & whoever indulges in suspicious things indulges in Haram.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by PakistaniAbroad:

                    According to noted Qur'an scholar Muhammad Asad:

                    "all Muslim scholars, classical and modern are unanimously of the opinion... "
                    An exaggeration if ever there was one!

                    By the way armughal, good point. Here's something interesting:

                    "Now take a copy of the Qur'an and read the subject verses minus the interpretor's own words in brackets. Read what Allah sent down.. not what some human being inserted without fear of retribution by the Almighty for changing His word."

                    I wonder who said that? Like to hazard a guess PA?

                    Iqbal

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                      #11
                      is that all you guys got left???

                      Here's the translation from the interpretor I usually quote:

                      [Shakir 7:54] Surely your Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six periods of time, and He is firm in power; ....

                      PakistaniAbroad: I used Yusufali just so you don't gang up crying foul... obviously didn't work
                      JaddoN kaddya jaloos ghareeba tay shehr ich choatalee lug gayee

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by PakistaniAbroad:
                        Here's the translation from the interpretor I usually quote:

                        [Shakir 7:54] Surely your Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six periods of time, and He is firm in power; ....
                        now any person well acknowledged with arabic language can tell u that this translation is not correct....

                        just for a hint try explaining how this guy tranlated thumma in this verse????
                        Both Halal & Haram r evident but between them r doubtful things, most ppl have no knowledge about them. So whoever saves himself from suspicious things saves his religion & honor, & whoever indulges in suspicious things indulges in Haram.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by armughal:
                          now any person well acknowledged with arabic language can tell u that this translation is not correct..

                          just for a hint try explaining how this guy tranlated thumma in this verse????
                          well just like Yusufali did.

                          thumma doesn't always denote order in time in the Qur'an. It's meaning is often translated as and; Yusufali goes as far as translating it as:

                          [Yusufali 2:29] It is He Who hath created for you all things that are on earth; (thumma) Moreover His design comprehended the heavens, for He gave order and perfection to the seven firmaments; and of all things He hath perfect knowledge
                          JaddoN kaddya jaloos ghareeba tay shehr ich choatalee lug gayee

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                            #14
                            This seriously blows...

                            I really was inquiring about the thrones of both Divine and Devil yet here we are

                            thank you for living up to the reputation of religion forum!
                            Rabul MashriqaiN wal MaghribaiN

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                              #15
                              Shayateen having a throne?

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