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    MIXING: Music and Islam and Songs and Shirkk!

    Saallam Musalmaanoo

    Hmmmmmm never had this topic before had we? anyways PLEASE read all before you go ahead and present your side of story.
    i was at yahoo VC today and man it was in heat. Some girl was playing this muziq hmmm
    ALi ali...and in that song the singer was saying alli mulla and mulla ka mulla ali...something like that...than it all started that saying sohaba's name in songs or mohammad(pbh) name in songs is wrong and its shirk when you compare and put some GREAT sohaba like Ali equal to allah in a song with muziq.
    I want you all to share your opinion on that kinda things...according to quran and hadith...out of love how far do you take islam.

    1. what do you think of Mohammad?
    2. WHat do you think of Sohaba ikram?
    3. What do you think of people singing song with music and saying mohammads name and his campanions name in that?
    4. What do you think of music in islam?
    5. what do you think of people compareing sohaba ikram and mohammad with equal to allah?


    Please all the info from quran and hadith NOTHING else will be accepted. Thank you.

    Jaawan

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    Till next time***Keep_It_Simple_Stupid***©


    [This message has been edited by Jaawan (edited June 03, 2000).]

    #2
    There is nothing in the Quran that prohibits music. One can find a Hadith to support any argument. What's wrong with music? Why would God prohibit it? In lots of religions music glorifies God!

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      #3
      Maybe you didnt understood what i was refering to or...i forgot to make it clear.
      I assume that you have studied Quran and hadith very deeply that is why saying it doesnt say it prohibits it?

      WHat about those songs full of music and shirkk..there is this song about HAzrat Ali...i cant remember the whole thing but what ever it is..it says somethingl like

      Mullah ka ali mulha(something like that) and ali ke aney se huee ronnak makkey main??? And people listen to that crap all the time...thinking its a GOOD deed(naaiki)
      I was refering to people singing songs with music that involves saying prophet mohammad(pbh) name and making sohaba and mohammad equal to allah?!!!
      Please do understand the complexicity of it...
      In life of prophet there was NO music played while he was aloud.(maybe he didnt alowed any? only time music was played was when he went to madina from mecca.

      Jaawan

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      Till next time***Keep_It_Simple_Stupid***©

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        #4
        If you are talking about shirk, then talk about shirk, why mix a prohibition of music into it? How do we know that no one listened to music back then? Give me a break.

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          #5
          Salaams, this is from Yusuf Al-Qaradawi's book: The Lawful and Prohibited in Islam.


          Singing and Music

          Among the entertainments which may comfort the soul, please the heart, and refresh the ear is singing. Islam permits signing under the condition that it not be in any way obscene or harmful to Islamic morals. There is no harm in its being accompanied by music which is not exciting.

          In order to create an atmosphere of joy and happiness, singing is recommended on festive occasions such as the days of Eid, weddings and wedding feasts, births, aqiqat(the celebrations of the birth of a baby by the slaughter of sheep), and on the return of a traveler.

          Aishah narrated that when a woman was married to an Ansari man, the Prophet (PBUH) said,
          " Aishah, did they have any entertainment? The Ansar are fond of entertainment." [Reported by al-Bukhari]

          Ibn Abbas said, " Aishah gave a girl relative of hers in marriage to a man of the Ansar. The Prophet (PBUH) came and asked, 'Did you send a singer along with her?' 'No,' said Aishah. The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) then said,
          The Ansar are a people who love poetry. You should have sent along someone who would sing, 'Here we come, to you we come, greet us as we greet you.'" [Reported by Ibn Majah]

          Aishah narrated that during the days of Mina, on the day of Eid al Adha, two girls were with her, singing and playing on a hand drum. The Prophet (PBUH) was present, listening to them with his head under a shawl. Abu Bakr then entered and scolded the girls. The Prophet (PBUH), uncovering his face, told him,
          " 'Let them be, Abu Bakr. These are the days of 'Eid." [Reported by al-Bukhari and Muslim]


          In his book, Ihya ulum al-deen, Imam al-Ghazzali mentions the ahadith about the singing girls, the Abyssinians playing with spears in the Prophet's Mosque, the Prophet's encouraging them by saying, "Carry on, O Bani Arfidah," his asking his wife, Aishah, "Would you like to watch?" and standing there with her until she herself became tired and went away, and Aishah's playing with dolls with her friends. He then says:

          All these ahadith are reported by al-Bukhari and Muslim in the two Sahihs, and they clearly prove that singing and playing are not haram. From them we may deduce the following:
          First: The permissibility of playing; the Abyssinians were in the habit of dancing and playing.
          Second: Doing this in the mosque.
          Third: The Prophet's saying, 'Carry on, O Bani Arfidah,' was a command and a request that they should play; then how can their play be considered haram?
          Fourth: The Prophet (PBUH) prevented Abu Bakr and Umar from interrupting and scolding the players and singers. He told Abu Bakr that 'Eid was a joyous occasion and that singing was a means of enjoyment.
          Fifth: On both occasions he stayed for a long time with Aishah, letting her watch the show of the Abyssinians and listening with her to the singing of the girls. This proves that it is far better to be good-humored in pleasing women and children with games than to express such disapproval of such amusements out of a sense of harsh piety and asceticism.
          Sixth: The Prophet (PBUH) himself encouraged Aishah by asking her, " Would you like to watch?"[Reported by al-Bukhari and Muslim]
          Seventh: The permissibility of singing and playing on the drum…

          and what follows, to the end of al-Ghazzali's discussion on singing.

          It is reported that many Companions of the Prophet (may Allah be pleased with them) as well as second generation Muslim scholars used to listen to singing and did not see anything wrong with it. As for the ahadith which have been reported against singing, they are all weak and have been shown by researchers to be unsound. The jurist Abu Bakr al-Arabi says, " No sound hadith is available concerning the prohibition of singing," while Ibn Hazm says, "All that is reported on this subject is false and fabricated."

          However, since singing is in many cases associated with drinking parties and night clubs, many scholars have declared it to be haram or at least makruh. They state singing constitutes that kind of idle talk which is mentioned in the ayah,
          'And among the people is the one who buys idle talk (at the expense of his soul) in order to lead (people) astray from the path of Allah without knowledge, holding it in mockery; for such there will be a humiliating punishment.' (31:6)

          Says Ibn Hazm:
          This verse condemns a particular behavior, that of doing something to mock the path of Allah. Anyone who does this is an unbeliever; if he even should buy a copy of the Qu'ran, doing so in order to make it the object of his mockery and thereby leading people astray, he would be an unbeliever. It is this type of behavior which is condemned by Allah and not the idle talk in which one may indulge for mere relaxation, without intending to lead people astray from the path of Allah.

          Ibn Hazm also refutes the argument of those who say that since singing is not of "the truth" it must be of "error," referring to the verse, "And what is beyond the truth except error?" (10:32). He comments,
          The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said, 'Deeds will be judged according to intentions, and everyone will get what he intended.' [Reported by al-Bukhari and Muslim] Accordingly, the one who listens to singing with the intention of using it in support of a sin is a sinner, and this holds true of anything other than singing (as well), while one who listens to singing with the intention of refreshing his soul in order to gain strength to do his duty toward Allah (swt) and to do good deeds, is a good and obedient servant of Allah(swt), and his action is of the truth. And he who listens to singing intending to neither obedience or disobedience is doing something neutral and harmless, which is similar to going to the park and walking around, standing by a window and looking at the sky, wearing blue or green cloths, and so on.

          However, there are some limitations to be observed in the matter of singing:

          1. The subject matter of songs should not be against the teachings of Islam. For example, if the song is in praise of wine, and it invited people to drink, singing or listening to it is haram.
          2. Although the subject matter itself may not be against the Islamic teachings, the manner of singing may render it haram; this would be the case, for example, if the singing were accompanied by suggestively sexual movement.
          3. Islam fights against excess and extravagance in anything, even in worship; how, then, can it tolerate excessive involvement with entertainment? Too much time should not be wasted in such activities; after all, what is time but life itself? One cannot dispute the fact that spending time in permissible activities consumes time which ought to be reserved for carrying out religious obligations and doing good deeds. It is aptly said, "There is no excess except at the expense of a neglected duty."
          4. Each individual is the best judge of himself. If a certain type of singing arouses one's passions, leads him towards sin, excites the animal instincts, and dulls spirituality, he must avoid it, thus closing the door to temptations.
          5. There is unanimous agreement that if singing is done in conjunction with haram activities-for example, at a drinking party, or if it is mixed with obscenity and sin-it is haram. The Prophet (PBUH) warned of a severe punishment for people who sing or listen to singing in such a situation when he said,
          'Some people of my ummah will drink wine, calling it by another name, while they listen to singers accompanied by musical instruments. Allah will cause the earth to swallow them and will turn some of them into monkeys and swine.' [Reported by Ibn Majah]
          This does not mean that they will be physically transformed into the bodies and outward form of monkeys and swine but rather in heart and soul, carrying the heart of a monkey and the soul of a pig in their human bodies.


          Hope it helps somewhat.

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            #6
            Zara yaar what am i writing here..its english bachiii read my last post again please and try to make sense of it.
            Its not in hadith or quran, IS it?
            ok tell me singing Mohammad(pbh) name and his companions name in songs with music is that OK? and when people go beyond the extreams and present those companions more than they are like more than allah and more than mohammad(pbh) is that OK to YOu zara? do you think that is OK in islam? Did i made something clear here or still translating it into you language ?

            And you what ever you name is i will read your post and reply back when im done....

            Jaawan

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            Till next time***Keep_It_Simple_Stupid***©

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              #7
              Originally posted by Girl from Quraysh:
              Salaams, this is from Yusuf Al-Qaradawi's book: The Lawful and Prohibited in Islam.


              Singing and Music

              Among the entertainments which may comfort the soul, please the heart, and refresh the ear is singing. Islam permits signing under the condition that it not be in any way obscene or harmful to Islamic morals. There is no harm in its being accompanied by music which is not exciting.

              In order to create an atmosphere of joy and happiness, singing is recommended on festive occasions such as the days of Eid, weddings and wedding feasts, births, aqiqat(the celebrations of the birth of a baby by the slaughter of sheep), and on the return of a traveler.

              Aishah narrated that when a woman was married to an Ansari man, the Prophet (PBUH) said,
              " Aishah, did they have any entertainment? The Ansar are fond of entertainment." [Reported by al-Bukhari]

              Ibn Abbas said, " Aishah gave a girl relative of hers in marriage to a man of the Ansar. The Prophet (PBUH) came and asked, 'Did you send a singer along with her?' 'No,' said Aishah. The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) then said,
              The Ansar are a people who love poetry. You should have sent along someone who would sing, 'Here we come, to you we come, greet us as we greet you.'" [Reported by Ibn Majah]

              Aishah narrated that during the days of Mina, on the day of Eid al Adha, two girls were with her, singing and playing on a hand drum. The Prophet (PBUH) was present, listening to them with his head under a shawl. Abu Bakr then entered and scolded the girls. The Prophet (PBUH), uncovering his face, told him,
              " 'Let them be, Abu Bakr. These are the days of 'Eid." [Reported by al-Bukhari and Muslim]


              In his book, Ihya ulum al-deen, Imam al-Ghazzali mentions the ahadith about the singing girls, the Abyssinians playing with spears in the Prophet's Mosque, the Prophet's encouraging them by saying, "Carry on, O Bani Arfidah," his asking his wife, Aishah, "Would you like to watch?" and standing there with her until she herself became tired and went away, and Aishah's playing with dolls with her friends. He then says:

              All these ahadith are reported by al-Bukhari and Muslim in the two Sahihs, and they clearly prove that singing and playing are not haram. From them we may deduce the following:
              First: The permissibility of playing; the Abyssinians were in the habit of dancing and playing.
              Second: Doing this in the mosque.
              Third: The Prophet's saying, 'Carry on, O Bani Arfidah,' was a command and a request that they should play; then how can their play be considered haram?
              Fourth: The Prophet (PBUH) prevented Abu Bakr and Umar from interrupting and scolding the players and singers. He told Abu Bakr that 'Eid was a joyous occasion and that singing was a means of enjoyment.
              Fifth: On both occasions he stayed for a long time with Aishah, letting her watch the show of the Abyssinians and listening with her to the singing of the girls. This proves that it is far better to be good-humored in pleasing women and children with games than to express such disapproval of such amusements out of a sense of harsh piety and asceticism.
              Sixth: The Prophet (PBUH) himself encouraged Aishah by asking her, " Would you like to watch?"[Reported by al-Bukhari and Muslim]
              Seventh: The permissibility of singing and playing on the drum…

              and what follows, to the end of al-Ghazzali's discussion on singing.

              It is reported that many Companions of the Prophet (may Allah be pleased with them) as well as second generation Muslim scholars used to listen to singing and did not see anything wrong with it. As for the ahadith which have been reported against singing, they are all weak and have been shown by researchers to be unsound. The jurist Abu Bakr al-Arabi says, " No sound hadith is available concerning the prohibition of singing," while Ibn Hazm says, "All that is reported on this subject is false and fabricated."

              However, since singing is in many cases associated with drinking parties and night clubs, many scholars have declared it to be haram or at least makruh. They state singing constitutes that kind of idle talk which is mentioned in the ayah,
              'And among the people is the one who buys idle talk (at the expense of his soul) in order to lead (people) astray from the path of Allah without knowledge, holding it in mockery; for such there will be a humiliating punishment.' (31:6)

              Says Ibn Hazm:
              This verse condemns a particular behavior, that of doing something to mock the path of Allah. Anyone who does this is an unbeliever; if he even should buy a copy of the Qu'ran, doing so in order to make it the object of his mockery and thereby leading people astray, he would be an unbeliever. It is this type of behavior which is condemned by Allah and not the idle talk in which one may indulge for mere relaxation, without intending to lead people astray from the path of Allah.

              Ibn Hazm also refutes the argument of those who say that since singing is not of "the truth" it must be of "error," referring to the verse, "And what is beyond the truth except error?" (10:32). He comments,
              The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said, 'Deeds will be judged according to intentions, and everyone will get what he intended.' [Reported by al-Bukhari and Muslim] Accordingly, the one who listens to singing with the intention of using it in support of a sin is a sinner, and this holds true of anything other than singing (as well), while one who listens to singing with the intention of refreshing his soul in order to gain strength to do his duty toward Allah (swt) and to do good deeds, is a good and obedient servant of Allah(swt), and his action is of the truth. And he who listens to singing intending to neither obedience or disobedience is doing something neutral and harmless, which is similar to going to the park and walking around, standing by a window and looking at the sky, wearing blue or green cloths, and so on.

              However, there are some limitations to be observed in the matter of singing:

              1. The subject matter of songs should not be against the teachings of Islam. For example, if the song is in praise of wine, and it invited people to drink, singing or listening to it is haram.
              2. Although the subject matter itself may not be against the Islamic teachings, the manner of singing may render it haram; this would be the case, for example, if the singing were accompanied by suggestively sexual movement.
              3. Islam fights against excess and extravagance in anything, even in worship; how, then, can it tolerate excessive involvement with entertainment? Too much time should not be wasted in such activities; after all, what is time but life itself? One cannot dispute the fact that spending time in permissible activities consumes time which ought to be reserved for carrying out religious obligations and doing good deeds. It is aptly said, "There is no excess except at the expense of a neglected duty."
              4. Each individual is the best judge of himself. If a certain type of singing arouses one's passions, leads him towards sin, excites the animal instincts, and dulls spirituality, he must avoid it, thus closing the door to temptations.
              5. There is unanimous agreement that if singing is done in conjunction with haram activities-for example, at a drinking party, or if it is mixed with obscenity and sin-it is haram. The Prophet (PBUH) warned of a severe punishment for people who sing or listen to singing in such a situation when he said,
              'Some people of my ummah will drink wine, calling it by another name, while they listen to singers accompanied by musical instruments. Allah will cause the earth to swallow them and will turn some of them into monkeys and swine.' [Reported by Ibn Majah]
              This does not mean that they will be physically transformed into the bodies and outward form of monkeys and swine but rather in heart and soul, carrying the heart of a monkey and the soul of a pig in their human bodies.


              Hope it helps somewhat.
              Jazakallah khair!

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              "I put my trust in Allah, my Lord and your Lord! There is not a moving creature, but He has a grasp of its forelock. Verily, my Lord is on the straight path. (The truth)"
              (11:55-56)

              "...Indeed my prayer, my sacrifice, my living and my dying are for Allaah, the Lord of the worlds" (6:162)

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                #8
                Yup, Jawaan Bhai... I agree with you...

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                  #9
                  Very VERY great article
                  I believe in dragons, good men, and other fantasy creatures.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by zaraatif:
                    There is nothing in the Quran that prohibits music. One can find a Hadith to support any argument. What's wrong with music? Why would God prohibit it? In lots of religions music glorifies God!
                    The language of frogs, birds and bees,
                    Or dolphins, crickets, the bristling of trees
                    Are nothing but praise to Allah.
                    But us we choose music to soothe ourselves,
                    And leave the Quran stocked on the shelves.

                    Without music, the devil will still whisper,
                    As he promised to bring humans to hellfire,
                    But with music, he will be much stronger,
                    And humans will stray furhter and further.

                    He sings and whispers,
                    he tells many lies,
                    And blurs our path to Paradise
                    Beautiful lyrics are definitely soothing,
                    Without the guitar and drums banging,
                    Without the shrieking of a human voice,
                    And without the sounds of electronic noise.

                    How many songs tell us to pray?
                    Or do good, each and every day?
                    Most of them are but to lead us astray.

                    Dramas, movies, Hollywood, COOL!!!
                    But those who follow are ignorant fools.

                    To waste our time looking at lies,
                    It's definitely not the choice for the wise.

                    The Quran was sent with variuos laws,
                    To remind humans to correst their flaws.

                    The devil, nay, you shall never follow,
                    Cos his tricks are abound, to those who know.

                    The Prophet's life was one so great,
                    For all of mankind to emulate,
                    Still why we stray I do not know,
                    Too much of Prince, or Sheryl Crow???

                    Some music is good, some make you fall,
                    But why need them at all?

                    Why listen to something than can destroy,
                    When the music of Paradise we shall enjoy
                    Heaven and Hell is a choice we make,
                    But why choose the wrong path to take?

                    For those in doubt in which to choose,
                    Islam is the choice, you will not lose.

                    Philosopher, no, I may not be,
                    But the meaning of life, i always try to see.

                    What I say, is what I be,
                    And Allah is Judge not you or me.


                    by Ash Shura

                    And as for music not being prohibited ad the issue of shirk... It is said that whoso makes halaal what Allah (swt) has made haraam or vice versa has worshipped the person he/she has followed into it...

                    [This message has been edited by Paxtani Mentality (edited August 10, 2002).]

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