V.H.P.to Muslims"Indianise your Faith"

[Gymnasophyst]

What do you think if you were indian muslim trapped in hostile anti muslim VHP,RSS,Shiv Sena Bajrang Dal,Bjp Hindu Mahasabha,etc.etc.

Can a NGO non governm,ent organization over ride the laws & constitutions of the country ? obviously not is ythe simple answer but yet what happened in Gujrat was also considered IMPOSSIBLE by some .

Anywayze non politically speaking can Islam be modified by darul Harab ?
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_25040,0008.htm

VHP to Muslims: join in to remove hate lingo
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from texts
July 22

Sparking off yet another controversy, the VHP on Monday asked Muslims to join hands to remove from the religious texts of both communities "portions which preach hatred against one another".



"There can be permanent peace between Hindus and Muslims only if the religious texts are put together and portions which preach hatred are removed," VHP senior vice-president Acharya Giriraj Kishore told reporters here.



Kishore said he had made the suggestion during the recent meeting between the two communities held here under the aegis of the National Commission for Minorities.



The VHP leader said no amount of Sadbhavana Yatras or Sadbhavana Ke Sipahi (the Congress party's soldiers of goodwill) or inter-faith meetings can bring about any change in Hindu-Muslim ties till "the root cause (religious texts) is taken care of".



RSS chief K S Sudarshan had earlier sparked off a controversy asking Muslims to reinterpret their religious texts and win the confidence of the majority community to ensure their safety.



The VHP had earlier demanded that Muslims re-interpret terms such as jihad (holy war), kafir (infidels) and Kufr (the philosophy behind the term Kafir).



The Sangh Parivar had also asked both Muslims and Christians to "Indianise" their faith.



Kishore wondered why the Muslims were particular about observing Shariat in civil matters and not in criminal law.



"They should decide whether they want to follow the Shariat or the law of the land," he said.


Q....Is Muslim book equivalent to any hindu book ?Geeta Vedas,or Upanishaad,orRamayan ,Mahabharat .


q....trying to treat equally literally two religions book equally is fallaceous?


Q Isnt problem of WRONG interpretation rather than content being wrong???






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Wohi Hota Hai Jo Munzoore Khuda Hota Hai ...:nahnah:

[google]

Ask those Hindu fundos (VHP,RSS,Shiv Sena ..Et) whether religious freedom exist in Hinduism.

And if they say YES....then tell them to SHUT UP.

[This message has been edited by google (edited July 22, 2002).]

[kabir]

this is just a start if they have another term in delhi they will start forcing muslims to keep hindu names

[Gymnasophyst]

Originally posted by kabir:
this is just a start if they have another term in delhi they will start forcing muslims to keep hindu names

Kabir

U should know

You should note that BJP a political elected party but VHP RSS are only NGO with sympathiser or endorsers in the BJP

While it may be creative set up of dummy corporations but legally bjp can profess secularism while VHP RSS can keep pushing you bullying you & killing you !!!!!!!!


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Wohi Hota Hai Jo Munzoore Khuda Hota Hai ...:nahnah:

[Gymnasophyst]

Originally posted by google:
Ask those Hindu fundos (VHP,RSS,Shiv Sena ..Et) whether religious freedom exist in Hinduism.

And if they say YES....then tell them to SHUT UP.

[This message has been edited by google (edited July 22, 2002).]

Google

Problem is they are NGO & can say yes & No at the same time .India is 85 % hindu almost like Pakisdtan except in Pakistan the overwhelming is Muslim.


I know there no such hostility or progrom in Pakistan b/c India has far greater no.of muslims than Pakistan has Hindus.

Unfortunately even those hindus who vote for secularism b/c its the constitution DONT BELIEVE IN IT neuither does thses VHP RSS SHIV SENA BAJRANG DAL etc. etc.

The bible speakes of animalistic worshipping of snales fiore wind & water as PAGANS ...YET THESE OPERTUNISTIC HINDUS WONT SAY THAT OF THE CHRISTIANS B/C no matter what tyhe west is basically CHRITIANS which India sucks onby its herds of Code Colies devouring available visa & work permits not to speake of $$ market that poor & pathetic indian economy badly begs for .

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Wohi Hota Hai Jo Munzoore Khuda Hota Hai ...:nahnah:

[Adnan Ahmed]

Well, it is a Hindu country.. What do you expect?

[hafeez123]

There are good points being made in the:
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_25040,0008.htm


Can Fundamentalist Islam REMOVE the hatred that it preaches from its book?

Remember, the hindus book of scriptures are not DIVINE Revealations, they are man-made!

Sooner or later, Islam will have to face its demons or it will be forced to!

[rvikz]

remember who lags behind in technology are
considred "pagan" . just becaus you pray to allah does not entitle you have phd in physics.

[rvikz]

Originally posted by kabir:
this is just a start if they have another term in delhi they will start forcing muslims to keep hindu names

may be you should check some indonesian names

[Gymnasophyst]

Originally posted by hafeez123:
There are good points being made in the:
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_25040,0008.htm


Can Fundamentalist Islam REMOVE the hatred that it preaches from its book?

Remember, the hindus book of scriptures are not DIVINE Revealations, they are man-made!

Sooner or later, Islam will have to face its demons or it will be forced to!

Hafeez123

1/ plz dont repeat the url & the text already given.If you dont have anything new to add DONT PRETEND AS IF YOU DO


2/ I can upfront tell you you r not a muslim by education. I cant take away from you your muslim nick but only educated MUSLIMS can explain why there is NO SUCH THING IN KORAN

If it were there then 1500 yrs Islam & Koran appealed to all sorts of people to almost all ethnic gropups of the world.


Do you think if koran talked badly about HINDUS any hindu would have CONVERTED/EMBRACED???????????I personally known many NOVICE muslims who were Hindu by birth christians ,jews,hispanics,you name it .So even though all the world will not become muslim in my life time but its not that any ethnic group is alienated in KORAN


IF 1500 yrs with 10 times more powerful world empires of byzantine & ottoman & moghul & Chengez Khan ,never dared to change Koran ..many VHP will come & go before that will happen.Im sure 140 millin will give there life instead so that muslims outside india can be as muslim as they want to be .

Next time Hafeez try to learn meanings of your Hifz

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Wohi Hota Hai Jo Munzoore Khuda Hota Hai ...:nahnah:

[Gymnasophyst]

Originally posted by rvikz:
remember who lags behind in technology are
considred "pagan" . just becaus you pray to allah does not entitle you have phd in physics.

RVIZK

NEPAL,
THE ONLY HINDU NATION IS THE MOST BACKWARD IN TECHNOLOGY !!


Who is asking for handouts.Those that pray to allah are just as good as those aethist or not

Do you think muslims are not Ph.D. in Physics .Do you think muslims contribution to all sciences & not only physics is any less or that of Hindu more ?If you believe so its your missinformation & not muslims fault

Going by the nincompoos VHP Bajrang dal & RSS if thats what hindu is all about very soon india will be in the bottom pits!!!!!!!!!!!

quoteriginally posted by kabir:
this is just a start if they have another term in delhi they will start forcing muslims to keep hindu names


may be you should check some indonesian names

THE NOMENCLATURE IS THE MOST SUPERFICIAL PART OF YOUR I>.D. for e.g. your friend above calls himself Hafeez 123 that doesnt make him neither hafiz nor a muslim just by that !!!


I dont know why indian fight tooth & nail like Kashmir on issues which are not even an issue for muslim.It is just that indian evolution of history was such that it was different from Indonesia .On the contrary if we asked Indonesian why there names do not reflect muslim names BUT WE ARE NOT SUCH FOOLISH AS JAN SANGH HINDU MAHASABHA WHOSE STUPID BALRAJ MADHOK RAISED THIS ISSUE REPEATEDLY .


WHY ISNT EMPIRE STATE BUILDING NAMED AM<ERICAS TOWER .....???B/c it isnt


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Wohi Hota Hai Jo Munzoore Khuda Hota Hai ...:nahnah:

[rvikz]

Gymnasophyst wehere did i say we are advanced
your standing in the world is due to technology in military and manfacturing.

[Adnan Ahmed]

Why hasn;t the US wrned muslims to Americanize their beliefs?
Despite being the world biggest secular democracy, India still fails to impress.
By saying Indian Muslims should "Indianize," their faith, implies that Muslims are foreigners that need to adapt to an more "Indian" culture.. What then is Indian culture? Why its Hinduism ofcourse!!! Hindus basically dictate everything in India, if your not Hindu, your not really Indian. Your a just a guest.

[rvikz]

Originally posted by Adnan Ahmed:
Why hasn;t the US wrned muslims to Americanize their beliefs?
Despite being the world biggest secular democracy, India still fails to impress.
By saying Indian Muslims should "Indianize," their faith, implies that Muslims are foreigners that need to adapt to an more "Indian" culture.. What then is Indian culture? Why its Hinduism ofcourse!!! Hindus basically dictate everything in India, if your not Hindu, your not really Indian. Your a just a guest.

why you call indian muslims mojahirs in pakistan? if you cant tell apart you wont call them mujahirs.

may be hindus means geographical term mixed with religen race languuage culture and nationalism.it is hard to separate these things .

indian/pakstani muslims may be better integrated in west than arab counries.

muslims are not monolithic as you portray.

[This message has been edited by rvikz (edited July 24, 2002).]

[Adnan Ahmed]

Originally posted by rvikz:
why you call indian muslims mojahirs in pakistan? if you cant tell apart you wont call them mujahirs.

may be hindus means geographical term mixed with religen race languuage culture and nationalism.it is hard to separate these things .

indian/pakstani muslims may be better integrated in west than arab counries.

muslims are not monolithic as you portray.

[This message has been edited by rvikz (edited July 24, 2002).]

We dont call them Mohajirs, they choose to call themselves Mohjirs.. The MQM, was name adopted by people who consider themselves Mohajirs.. Also, the Mohajirs are distict from the local ethnic groups that make up modern Pakistan,they are not Sindhi, Baloch, Punjabi, Kashmiri or Pathan.. They identify themselves as those who migrated from India, thus they identify themselves as Mohajirs.. Nothing wrong with that, we welcome their uniquenes.. In fact, they are the real Pakistanis, since they gave up the most.. In India, the Muslims that stayed behind are still considered foreigners, despite the fact that they have been in India as far back as anyone can remember.
And im not talking about Muslims in the west.. In the west, these people actually are foreigners.. In America, we choose to adapt because this is our adopted home. Im talking about Indian Muslims. In India, the muslims are not foreigners, India is much Muslim as it is Hindu...So WHY, should they have to adapt to living in their own homeland?????? The reason is because the majority Hindus identify India as being Hindu (ethnic and relgious, whatever...), therefore, anyone who is not Hindu is foreign and needs to "adapt."

[This message has been edited by Adnan Ahmed (edited July 24, 2002).]