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    he is dead or alive please give your answers from quran and hadis

    #2
    asslamu alaikum

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    The verses in the Quran:

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    {003.055) Behold! God said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself
    and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who
    follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then
    shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.

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    {004.157} "That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the
    Apostle of God";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made
    to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no
    (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-"


    And also it is a sign of the Day Of Judgement that Prophet 'Issa (jesus) will return:

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    Some Ahadith:
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    Volume 3, Book 34, Number 425:
    Narrated Abu Huraira:

    Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, son of Mary (Jesus) will shortly descend amongst you people (Muslims) as a just ruler and will break the Cross and kill the pig and abolish the Jizya (a tax taken from the non-Muslims, who are in the protection, of the Muslim government). Then there will be abundance of money and no-body will accept charitable gifts.

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    Book 001, Number 0293:

    Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported: I heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: A section of my people will not cease fighting for the Truth and will prevail till the Day of Resurrection. He said: Jesus son of Mary would then descend and their (Muslims') commander would invite him to come and lead them in prayer, but he would say: No, some amongst you are commanders over some (amongst you). This is the honour from Allah for this Ummah.

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    Book 007, Number 2877:
    Hanzala al-Aslami reported: I heard Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) as narrating from Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) who said: By Him in Whose Hand is my life. Ibn Maryam (Jesus Christ) would certainly pronounce Talbiya for Hajj or for Umra or for both (simultaneously as a Qiran) In the valley of Rauha


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    Book 37, Number 4310:
    Narrated AbuHurayrah:

    The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: There is no prophet between me and him, that is, Jesus (peace_be_upon_him). He will descent (to the earth). When you see him, recognise him: a man of medium height, reddish fair, wearing two light yellow garments, looking as if drops were falling down from his head though it will not be wet. He will fight the people for the cause of Islam. He will break the cross, kill swine, and abolish jizyah. Allah will perish all religions except Islam. He will destroy the Antichrist and will live on the earth for forty years and then he will die. The Muslims will pray over him.


    [This message has been edited by Uzee (edited July 21, 2002).]

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      #3
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      [This message has been edited by Paki Prince (edited July 21, 2002).]

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        #4
        aoa
        hey mr uzee
        003.055) Behold! God said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself

        in this allah has said that he will raise him to himself it does not prove that hazrat isa is living in/on the sky because allah is every where mr uzee!!!

        [This message has been edited by hamza majoka (edited July 21, 2002).]

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          #5
          (3:144)And Muhammad is but a messenger. Verily all Messengers have passed away before him. If then he dies or is slain, will you turn back on your heels ? And he who turns back on his heels shall not harm ALLAH at all. And ALLAH will certainly reward the grateful.


          this ayet clearly says all massengers have passed away before him and hazrat isa is definately before MUHAMMED P.B.U.H


          NOW WHAT MR UZEE ??????

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            #6
            Originally posted by hamza majoka:
            (3:144)And Muhammad is but a messenger. Verily all Messengers have passed away before him. If then he dies or is slain, will you turn back on your heels ? And he who turns back on his heels shall not harm ALLAH at all. And ALLAH will certainly reward the grateful.


            this ayet clearly says all massengers have passed away before him and hazrat isa is definately before MUHAMMED P.B.U.H


            NOW WHAT MR UZEE ??????


            Asslamu alaikum...

            Brother where have you found your translation...
            All translations i've searched do not use the word ALL...


            Muhammad (SAW) is no more than a Messenger, and indeed (many) Messengers have passed away before him. If he dies or is killed, will you then turn back on your heels (as disbelievers)? And he who turns back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allâh, and Allâh will give reward to those who are grateful.(3:144)
            [By Dr. Muhammad Taqi-ud-Din Al-Hilali, Ph.D.
            Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan ]


            003.144
            YUSUFALI: Muhammad is no more than a messenger: many Were the messenger that passed away before him. If he died or were slain, will ye then Turn back on your heels? If any did turn back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah; but Allah (on the other hand) will swiftly reward those who (serve Him) with gratitude.

            PICKTHAL: Muhammad is but a messenger, messengers (the like of whom) have passed away before him. Will it be that, when he dieth or is slain, ye will turn back on your heels? He who turneth back on his heels doth no hurt to Allah, and Allah will reward the thankful.

            SHAKIR: And Muhammad is no more than a messenger; the messengers have already passed away before him; if then he dies or is killed will you turn back upon your heels? And whoever turns back upon his heels!s, he will by no means do harm to Allah in the least and Allah will reward the grateful.

            URDU TRANSLATION BY Fateh:

            "Aur Muhammad (sallal Allahu alaihi wassllam) to sirf (Khuda ke) peghember hain
            un sey pehley bhi bohut sey peghember ho guzrey hain, bhela ager yeh mer jaayain ya maarey jaaein to tum ulttey paaoon phir jao?...." (3:144)


            I also did a phonetic search of Quranic verses on islamicity.com and came with these results :

            That the words used in this verse are Qad Khalat....Qad> means (many) not all ...
            and khalat> means passed away (or pass before them) ..etc.

            aslo, understand that the Arabic language has vast meanings for one word...english doens't do justice to arabic language when being translated..because english is very different in meaning and words.

            so i hope i've made my point inshallah

            if i have said anything good it is from allah and if i have said anything wrong then it is from myself and may Allah The Exalted the Forgiving ,...forgive me for it...verily none can forgive except him.

            and ALLAH KNOWS BEST!!!!

            waslaam
            your sister in islam

            [This message has been edited by Uzee (edited July 21, 2002).]

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              #7
              Originally posted by hamza majoka:
              aoa
              hey mr uzee
              003.055) Behold! God said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself

              in this allah has said that he will raise him to himself it does not prove that hazrat isa is living in/on the sky because allah is every where mr uzee!!!

              [This message has been edited by hamza majoka (edited July 21, 2002).]

              asslamu alaikum...

              brother where did you get that Allah is everywhere????

              Allah. There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory). {2:255}

              many other verses that state that Allah is The MOST HIGH

              Al-Hajj (The Pilgrimage)> [22:62]
              Luqman (Luqman)> [31:30]
              Saba' (Sheba)> [34:23]
              Ghafir (The Forgiver)> [40:12]
              Ash-Shura (The Consultation) > [42:4]

              We worship Allah The Exalted and we know that He has 99 Holy Attributes, and these Attributes (asma wal husna) Only and Only belong to Him and no other, No Person nor thing in this entire universe can be worthy of having these Attributes. And we also know that Allah's Attributes can never change.
              One of Allah's Attribute is THE MOST HIGH..this means that Allah is the Creator and He Exists 'outside' the universe He Created. He is the Most High. He is Higher than and above all of His creation. He is Not within His creation. He can see all and hear all at the sametime always. But he Himself is above the creation. God cannot exist in nor within His Own Creation.

              Al-Aliyy
              The Most High, The Sublime, The One who is clear from the attributes of the creatures.

              Allah the Exalted is clear from all our attributes, meaning He does not sleep,eat,etc. He doesn't need anything or anyone, He is free from all needs, unlike us we need air to breathe we need sleep to rest and we need things to survive. He does not need anything...but we need Him. He is ever-lasting, he is the First and He is the Last, He is Eternal. Unlike His creation which is need of Him ...it has an appointed time of end..it is going to end..and is not going to last forever. Our Creator Allah is The Only One Who is Eternal, (as-Sawmed). No one is like Him and He is like none. All of Allah's Creation (ie. universe and everything in it) needs something to survive and is not eternal. BUT Allah is Eternal and so He doesn't exist within the universe...He is above it and He is free from all imperfections.

              Where is Allah?

              Allah is above the heavens raised over the Throne and separated from His creatures.

              Is Allah with us (in person)?

              Allah is settled over His Mighty Throne, but He is with us by His Knowledge, hearing ,seeing and other attributes. As He said: "Fear not verily! I am with you both hearing and seeing (V,20. :46)


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                #8
                Ibrahim says: salaams to all

                Masha'Allaah! Sister Uzee had already given Clear Answers as to why hamza majoka had erred . It is obvious that he is using an ahmedia translation of the Qur’an, which seems to have many adjustments/modifications tailored for its false creed which has misled him and others like him.


                Kindly read :

                4:148 Allah loveth not that evil should be noised abroad in public speech except where injustice hath been done; for Allah is He who heareth and knoweth all things.



                In the mean time ponder over :-

                55: 33 O ye assembly of Jinns and men! if it be ye can pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the earth pass ye! not without authority shall ye be able to pass!


                Was salaam
                Ibrahim


                Truth’s advantage over a lie is that you need to say it only once

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                  #9
                  [Shakir 3:55] And when Allah said: O Isa, I am going to terminate the period of your stay (on earth) and cause you to ascend unto Me and purify you of those who disbelieve and make those who follow you above those who disbelieve to the day of resurrection; then to Me shall be your return, so l will decide between you concerning that in which you differed.

                  As stated in verses 45 to 47 of this surah the birth of Isa was a miracle. His departure from this world to the heaven, alive, was also a miracle. It is stated in Minhaj al Sadiqin that Isa was kept in custody in a room during the night following which he was to be crucified in the morning. At daybreak, Judas the hypocrite companion of Isa, who had betrayed him to the Roman soldiers, went into the room to escort Isa to the place of crucifixion. As soon as he entered the room, he was miraculously transformed into a person who resembled Isa. When he came out of the room the Roman soldiers took him to the cross and crucified him, in spite of his loud and desperate protestations.

                  The Jewish plot to kill Isa was prevented by the best of planners, the almighty Allah.

                  Tawaffa is to fulfil a promise. Inni mutawaffika means "I will complete your term". The word may mean death or to take away. It has been used in both its meanings in the Quran.

                  The Ahmadi commentator, to deny the miraculous escape of Isa from being crucified, misinterprets the word tawaffa as Isa's physical death. The Holy Prophet and the holy Imams have said that Isa will come down again from the heaven before the day of resurrection and offer prayers behind Imam Muhammad al Mahdi, the last Imam in the progeny of the Holy Prophet.

                  "And set those who follow you (victorious) above those who disbelieve", refers to those Christians who accepted Isa as a true prophet of Allah, followed his teachings, and believed in his prophecy about the advent of the Holy Prophet.

                  All the Muslims, in the light of this and other verses of the Quran, do not give any credence to the false story of Isa's crucifixion and resurrection, fabricated by the Christian church.

                  Tawaffa (to take away), tahar (to purify), raf-a (to raise) and nuzul (to descend) are the four effects of the divine will in connection with Isa, out of which the first three have already taken place and the fourth is expected to happen, before the final resurrection. The religion of Allah shall triumph over all other religions and creeds. The light of truth shall enlighten the world, and a perfect human society shall be established before the world comes to an end. This is His promise. If tawaffa means death, then also there should be no doubt in the mind of a believer about Isa's nuzul because, as said in verses 258 to 260 of al Baqarah, Allah can give life to the dead or raise up any dead living being to life. In the opinion of Shaykh Saduq, this explanation is more credible.

                  If tawaffa means departure from this world without dying, then his nuzul will be re-appearance after his temporary disappearance, similar to Imam Muhammad al Mahdi, who is living on the earth as a necessary link between man and God, while Isa has been raised up unto Allah. So Isa has no jurisdiction in the matters of this world, whereas Imam Mahdi is the sole deputy of Allah to look after and take care of the terrestrial affairs. When both of them shall re-appear Isa shall follow the leadership of Imam al Mahdi.

                  [This message has been edited by Gandalf (edited July 21, 2002).]

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                    #10
                    salaam to all, salaam uzee,


                    the hadith that have been mentioned above again shows the blasphemous content of certain hadith.
                    Do you really think this has been said by the Holy Prophet (saw) himself?? or rather this has been attributed to him by latter generations!!

                    according to these hadith Prophet Isa (saw) will come back in order to break the Cross and kill the pig!! Do you see any logic in this?? what kind of honour for a prophet is this to kill a pig!!
                    abolish the Jizya?? Will prophet Isa come as a tax officer?? In which country is this happening today?? If this is happening nowadays can't we stop it before prophet Isa (saw) comes??
                    I think the situation nowadays is the other way around, there are many more muslims living under non-muslim protection than non-muslims living under muslim protection.

                    Do you really think that a cross and a pig stands in the way of ISLAM??

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Gandalf:
                      similar to Imam Muhammad al Mahdi,
                      Ibrahim says gandalf! It seems you are desperate to spread your shia versions, and this thread is not about the shia Imam Mahdi, so just let me give you the link, where you can obtain wisdom, IF Allah (swt) willed for you.
                      http://www.jamiat.org.za/story_of_imam_mahdi.htm

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by filhaal:
                        the hadith that have been mentioned above again shows the blasphemous content of certain hadith.

                        Ibrahim says : Salaams to all.

                        Dear Filhaal, why would that hadith be blasphemous?


                        Do you believe this ayat?

                        "And follow not (O man, i.e., say not or do not or witness not) that of which you have no knowledge.'' (17:36)

                        Do you really think this has been said by the Holy Prophet (saw) himself?? or rather this has been attributed to him by latter generations!!
                        Ibrahim says: kindly Give evidence for your doubts? Or are we to follow your whims and fancies as to chose which hadith must be accepted and which must be rejected?

                        Allah, the Exalted, says:

                        "O you who believe! Avoid much suspicions, indeed some suspicions are sins.'' (49:12)


                        according to these hadith Prophet Isa (saw) will come back in order to break the Cross and kill the pig!! Do you see any logic in this?? what kind of honour for a prophet is this to kill a pig!!
                        Ibrahim says: why is it not logical? Maybe you have failed to realize what the cross and pig has become for Christians?

                        Lets THINK for once shall we! See the cross, today most Christians believe it has powers to keep away evil spirits ( such they hand them around their necks and tattoo them on their bodies and place them on top of mountains and every where possible) , which means it is equal to God. They also believe Christ was crucified on a cross and he told them to carry a cross.

                        Hence to destroy such beliefs, it would be obvious to break the cross by the very man who they believe taught them such things. Don’t you think so?

                        Now lets look at the pig, did you know Christ killed 2000 innocent pigs by sending the demons upon them??? , yet Christians ended up consuming what was forbidden to be consumed because they believed he taught them such teachings, so when he will be sent again it should be obvious for him to demonstrate that HE indeed killed the pigs and NEVER taught anyone to consume such creatures which had been forbidden by God , don’t you think so?


                        abolish the Jizya?? Will prophet Isa come as a tax officer?? In which country is this happening today?? If this is happening nowadays can't we stop it before prophet Isa (saw) comes??
                        Ibrahim says: Did you not read what it said, let me quote the part you snipped off

                        “Then there will be abundance of money and no-body will accept charitable gifts.”

                        Hence taxation will be abolished at some future when Christ will return to accomplish his final mission, this simply means Islam will be reestablished as prophesied and at such times, since Muslims will practice Islam and they will be abundance of wealth , they need not impose jizya anymore as prescribed by Allah (swt) .


                        Do you really think that a cross and a pig stands in the way of ISLAM??
                        Ibrahim says: Apparently you have failed to be rational . The return of Christ was to redirect the Christians back to Islam as established by Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) just like his earlier mission, it was to redirect the Jews back to Islam as established by Prophet Moses (pbuh) . hence the breaking of the cross as well as killing of the pigs are all part of the redirection for Christians to Islam , the religion he tried to establish in his first mission but failed because the Jews refused redirection.

                        Allah, the Exalted, says:

                        "And those who annoy believing men and women undeservedly, bear on themselves the crime of slander and plain sin.'' (33:58)


                        Hope that helps

                        Ws salaam
                        Ibrahim

                        Allah, the Exalted, says:

                        "And shun lying speech (false statements).'' (22:30)

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                          #13
                          Ahh .. and here we go again.

                          Anyway, I will try not to budge in this time! But for those who tend to believe that Hazrat Isa (as) is still alive, I would like to know what is their answer to the Christian evangelists who as their first argument say "Jesus is alive in Heaven and Muhammad is in his grave in Arabia"

                          I was working at a bookstore when I was hounded by a bunch of them & by all means it was their first argument. When I told them, Jesus, son of Mary, died like all other prophets of God ... they were baffeled; as it was unexpected for them. They tried to convince me first from Bible & then one of them quoted Quran; it was indeed an interesting discussion and its suffice to say that they didn't come back again.
                          I know that you believe that you understood what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
                          - Robert McCloskey

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                            #14
                            dear Ibrahim,
                            salaam, salaam to all

                            nice answers, but unconvincing!!i completely understand what the cross and the pig mean for the christians, but still these hadith are not logical.
                            If Prophet Isa (saw) would return, he would have an even more important issue to resolve with the christians than the pig and cross issue, don't you think??!!
                            you will be wondering what i am talking about now??
                            the issue i am concerned with is the belief of the christians on the TRINITY, or in other words "the SON of GOD" issue??
                            So, if Prophet Isa (saw) would come back in this world, wouldn't this be an even more important issue to address (which is at the very heart of christian belief), than the pig and cross issues!! Isn't it more important that the person the christians belief to be the son of GOD himself proclaims that this is not true??
                            so, again from this point of view these hadith do not make any logic.

                            secondly, why are the christians the only one's who get a chance to proclaim their belief in GOD ALONE (SUBMISSION) and not other peoples (hindus, buddhist, atheist etc.)??



                            let us start from the beginning of this thread:
                            They key words here are : Ya Isa, inni mutawaffika wa rafi’uka ilaiya 3:54

                            The key word here is "wafat" . The most correct meaning of "wafat" is death, or take away soul. If soul is taken away from a person, it
                            is nothing but death. The problem arises with regards to this verse, when Muslims refuse to interpret the meaning of "wafat" as
                            death. Irony is that all scholars who translated the Holy Quran do agree "wafat" means death. Each and every scholar translated
                            the word "wafat" as death in at least 20 different instances in their translations. However, in this particular verse, they
                            interpreted the meaning as ‘take away’ and insinuate physical ascension. These translators did not hesitate to twist the actual
                            meaning of the word of Allah to support Christian faith and to some extent weak Hadith!!


                            so, the true meaning of this verse would be:

                            "O Isa! I shall cause you to die and I shall exalt you towards me....."

                            so, in other words, Prophet Isa (saw) died a natural death (not on the cross!!).

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                              #15
                              ahmadjee

                              I understand if it comes from you it will be taken as the 'ahmedi' translation.

                              Mr. Ibrahim, when you say something why shouldn't I take it as an 'Ahl-e-Sunnah' or a 'Wahabbi' translation?? why should your interpretation be the correct one?? Why can't your stance be the one in error??

                              Find the correct meaning from within the Qur'an for just two words and the mystery will be solved forever.

                              1. mutawafika

                              2. raafiuka
                              JaddoN kaddya jaloos ghareeba tay shehr ich choatalee lug gayee

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