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    Stoning to death is not Islamic

    Does religion prescribe the punishment of stoning for adultery? The Jewish answer to this question would be 'yes'. The Old Testament, explicitly depicts various adulterous sexual acts, and prescribes that those indulging in them be "put to death" (Leviticus 20:10-21).

    If a husband accuses his wife that she was not a virgin when he married her "and no proof of the girl's virginity is found, then they shall bring her out to the door of her father's house and the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has committed an outrage in Israel by playing the prostitute in her father's house: you shall rid yourself of this wickedness."

    If, however, the accusation turns out to be false "they shall fine him a hundred pieces of silver because he has given a bad name to a virgin of Israel, and hand them to the girl's father" (Deuteronomy 22:20-21). "When a man is discovered lying with a married woman, they shall both die, the woman as well as the man who lay with her: you shall rid Israel of this wickedness".

    The Christian answer to this question is found in the amazing and touching story narrated by the Apostle John. One day when Jesus Christ was teaching in the Temple, "the doctors of Law (Rabbis) and Pharisees brought in a woman caught committing adultery. Making her stand out in the middle they said to him, 'Master, this woman was caught in the very act of adultery. In the Law Moses has laid down that such women are to be stoned. What do you say about it?'...

    "Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground. When they continued to press their question he sat up straight and said, 'That one of you who is faultless shall throw the first stone.' Then once again he bent down and wrote on the ground. When they heard what he said, one by one they went away, the eldest first; and Jesus was left alone, with the woman still standing there. Jesus again sat up and said to the woman, 'Where are they? Has no one condemned you? She answered, 'No, one sir.' Jesus said, 'Nor do I condemn you. You may go; do not sin again' " (John 8:1-11).

    The aforesaid is the only reference in the Bible (New Testament) to adultery and stoning. The Bible does, however, have other references to stoning, all of which mention Jews stoning the prophets or the apostles of Jesus (Luke 13:34, 20:6; John 8:59, 10-31, 11-8; Acts of Apostles 7:58, 14:5, 14:19 and the 2nd Letter of Paul to the Corinthians 11:25). The Bible records the propensity of the Jews to stoning.


    Some early Christians, including a man called Stephen, were also stoned to death by the inhabitants of Jerusalem
    The anguish of Jesus Christ is heart rending. "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that murders the prophets and stones the messengers sent to her! How often have I longed to gather your children, as a hen gathers her brood under her wings; but you would not let me. Look, look! There is your temple forsaken by God. And I tell you, you shall never see me until the time comes, when you say, 'Blessings on him who comes in the name of the Lord!' " (Luke 13:34).

    The holy Quran does not prescribe stoning as the punishment for adultery. There is not a single verse to this effect. The Holy Quran stipulates the punishment of "a hundred stripes" for the act of adultery, zina (Al Quran 24:2). If a particular sentence is prescribed in the Holy Quran a harsher one cannot be imposed. The holy Quran also requires the fulfilment of an almost impossible condition before conviction can result. Four eye- witnesses have to testify to sustain the charge (Al Quran 24:4).

    And if those who accuse a woman and fail to "produce four witnesses", they are then to be flogged eighty times. If there are no witnesses and a husband accuses his wife of adultery he has to repeat his testimony and on the fifth invoke the "Curse of Allah" on himself if he is lying (Al Quran 24:6-7). The punishment is averted if the wife similarly swears (Al Quran 24:8-9). Therefore, the Holy Quran here places greater reliance on the testimony of a woman.

    In none of the verses pertaining to adultery in the holy Quran the term stoning (rajama / rajim) is used. 'Rajim' means 'stoned', 'accursed' or 'damned' and is used as an epithet of Satan (Al Quran 3:36, 15:17, 16:98 Shaitan nir rajim, Satan the stoned or accursed). The verb which derives from rajim is rajama, and it means 'to stone', 'the act of stoning', 'a missile', 'something to stone with', 'guesswork', 'guessing' or 'stoned' (Al Quran 11:91, 18:20, 19:46, 36:18, 44:20, 18:22, 67:5 and 26:116). However, none of the verses refer to adultery. The Arabic word rajim / rajama is similar to the Hebrew word ragam, which means 'to collect or cast stones'.

    How is it then that some Muslims followed the Jewish practice and prescribed stoning as the punishment for the sin of adultery?

    General Muhammad Ziaul Haq discovered 'Islamic law' to secure his tenuous position. He enacted a 'law' which for the first time in the history of Pakistan ordained that "whoever is guilty of zina shall ... be stoned to death at a public place." Zia gathered around him semi-literate and self-styled ulema, legal and other sycophant advisers and introduced laws which purported to be Islamic.

    Every legal enactment is or ought to be preceded by an open debate. There was no debate when any of the Hudood laws were enacted. The one in which stoning was prescribed, The Offence of Zina (Enforcement of Hadd) Ordinance, 1979, was enacted overnight. The arrogance of the lawmakers knew no bounds. Since the Hudood laws claimed to be implementing God's intent, it was expected that every care would be taken to ensure against the possibility of any mistake, but none was taken.

    The sycophants surrounding Zia had the audacity to refer to him as a modern day Ameer-ul-Momineen (Leader of the Faithful). Any opposition to such a ruler was it not opposition to Islam itself? The craftily drafted question in Zia's referendum suggested as much.

    Twenty-three years have passed since the law prescribed the punishment of stoning and we have seen governments of democrats, technocrats and autocrats, but not one has been able to undo Zia's legacy. No one is apparently prepared to seek the truth, if it entails being perceived as assailing 'mazhab'.

    The facts of the Zafran Bibi case have shocked the nation. A judge has sentenced her to death by stoning relying upon Zia's law. Zia enacted the stoning legislation contending it to be a Hadd law. Hadd is a legal term for the offences and punishments which are defined in the Quran. The fact that the punishment of stoning for adultery does not find mention in the Holy Quran did not deter Zia's Zina enactment

    The propagators of stoning support their contention by relying on reports attributed to Hazrat Umar; that certain verses prescribing stoning had been revealed but had been left out from the Holy Quran when it was compiled. This effectively calls into question the very infallibility and sanctity of the holy Quran as contained in the texts handed down over fourteen hundred years and is anathema to believers and is to be rejected. We are then left with certain traditions attributed to the Prophet reported in the recognized works of hadith literature.

    The most famous collectors of the Sunni Hadith were al-Bukhari (Sahih), Muslim (Muslim), Abu Dawud, at Tirmidhi, an-Nasai and ibn Maja. All these compilers died between 256 to 303 years after the Hijrah (or between 870 to 915 AD). The Shiah collections of hadith are called khabar and were compiled even later, between 320 to 454 after the Hijrah (or between 932 to 1062 AD). The five recognized Shiah compilers were Abu Jafar (Kafi), Saykh Ali (Man la yastihzau-hu al Faqih), Shaykh Abu Jafar (Tahdhib and Istibsar) and Sayyid al-Razi (Nahj al-Balaghah).

    It is an acknowledged rule in reading hadith literature that if a reported hadith purports to record that which is contrary to the Quran, it should be disregarded since the Prophet (pbuh) did not act contrary to Allah's revelation.

    But even if one examines the hadith recorded by the compilers of hadith which purport to prescribe stoning there is no instance when the Holy Prophet ordered stoning of a Muslim who was caught committing adultery or against whom a charge had been levelled.

    The instances that have been recorded by the hadith compilers are of Maaz bin Malik and of the woman from the tribe of Azd Gaib. The two are separate instances but the stories are similar. It is reported that they voluntarily appeared before the Holy Prophet and without being confronted with a charge, accusation or being coerced confessed their own guilt. Then too the holy Prophet is reported to have been extremely reluctant to hear them.

    In both these instances it is reported that the Holy Prophet upon hearing the confessions turned his face away, this he did no less than four times, but the persons persevered and repeatedly confessed before him. Thereafter he questioned whether they were mad or drunk. Only then stoning was ordered. The Holy Prophet then read their funeral prayer (namaz-i-janaza) which was a singular honour and prayed for them. The hadith reports that the Holy Prophet then said that the person stoned had sought such profound forgiveness that if it was spread over the entire community (ummat) its blessing (sawab) would be enough for all.

    Some hadith compilers record that once the stoning had commenced the person being stoned ran away and was brought back. When this was reported to the holy Prophet he said "if you had let him go then it is entirely possible that he would have sought forgiveness and Allah would have accepted his forgiveness" (Sahih Muslim, transmitted through Abu Huraira).

    The hadith which are relied by the propagators of stoning are really examples of extreme atonement and expiation and can hardly be used to expound a tradition (hadith) prescribing stoning. These incidents have also not been fixed in time. It is possible that these incidents took place before the verses ordaining the punishment of whipping for adultery were revealed (the revelation of the Holy Quran having taken 23 years).

    On such slender facts Zia prescribed that a person who commits adultery, "be stoned to death", forgetting the tradition reported by Hazrat Ayesha, that, "if the Imam (ruler) wrongly forgives it is better than if there is a mistake in sentencing" (Sahih Tirmidhi).

    By relying upon the Holy Quran it cannot be contended that adultery is a hadd for which the punishment is stoning, but this could be contended if reliance were placed upon Jewish scriptures. Ibn Khladun had noted just such a tendency in the ignorant, "They turned for information to the followers of the Book, the Jews ... so when these people embraced Islam, they retained their stories which had no connection with the commandments of the Islamic law ... commentaries on the Holy Quran were soon filled with these stories of theirs" (Ulum al-Quran, Muqaddamah).

    #2
    You sure.. I could have sworne that was the only Islamic thing that is beyond dispute.

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      #3
      Find stoning as a punishment in the qur'an and that'll answer yr question.

      Remember, any hadiths that contradict the qur'an must be rejected.

      On my end, I'm sure.

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        #4
        Ibrahim says: salaams to all

        Looks as though it is open season on the Muslims in this forum

        57: 26 And We sent Noah and Abraham and established in their line Prophethood and Revelation: and some of them were on right guidance but many of them became rebellious transgressors.

        hence the TRUTH never fails to reveal itself.


        Does religion prescribe the punishment of stoning for adultery? The Jewish answer to this question would be 'yes'. The Old Testament, explicitly depicts various adulterous sexual acts, and prescribes that those indulging in them be "put to death" (Leviticus 20:10-21).
        Ibrahim says: Gandalf dear

        Why would stoning be unIslamic when it was prescribed by Allah (swt) to a Prophet in a revealed scripture?

        hence the punishment was prescribed by Allah (swt) to Muslims at the time of Prophet Moses (as) who was a Muslim, right?

        Read above ayat , if you have doubts but If you want more specific ayats , I am sure you will find them in the Qur’an. If you need help , don’t be shy to ask.

        The Christian answer to this question is found in the amazing and touching story narrated by the Apostle John (John 8:1-11).
        Ibrahim says : Only one problem here, you see this verse got added into the Bible at about 600 AD, now do you have references to tell us about how Jesus came back at around 600 AD to Jerusalem to partake in this script, which had been wiped out of Jews by 70 AD?

        Hence the Christians deceived themselves and others in order to make their faith look very spiritual but what excuse do you have for spreading falsehoods?

        The holy Quran does not prescribe stoning as the punishment for adultery. .
        Ibrahim says: The Qur’an does not but the Prophets had practiced it as written in the hadiths and as seen in the torah too.

        1) but it does have a punishment mentioned therein and IT did have a Prophet who was assigned to guide their followers did it not?

        2) Is all the guidance of the Prophet mentioned it the Qur’an or all the revelations recorded therein? No! so, what was not mentioned in the Qur’an can be verified from the Authentic teachings of the Prophet. right?

        3) Have you circumcised yourself? Is in written in the Qur’an ? so why did you do it ?


        How is it then that some Muslims followed the Jewish practice and prescribed stoning as the punishment for the sin of adultery?
        Ibrahim says o you shia’s practice stoning or not?

        Was salaam
        Ibrahim

        Even the most perfect being cannot escape the perfect consistency of God’s laws

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          #5
          Originally posted by Ibrahim:
          Looks as though it is open season on the Muslims in this forum
          This statement is quite ironic coming from you, as it seems your purpose on this forum (other than to impress with your copying and pasting skills of scripture and insulting people) is to spread a vehement anti-Christian agenda.

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            #6
            Seminole: why'd u think that he is "anti-Christian"?


            Brother Ibrahim, few questions from your point arise.

            First, what makes a Prophet follow the laws revealed to previous Prophet? Is it permissible by Allah SWT in Quran for one messenger to continue the laws of previous messenger? Especially when a law has been given in Quran? Also, the old scriptures may NOT have been in their original form at the time of Prophet Mohammed PBUH so what guarantees that "stoning to death" really was REVEALED?

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              #7
              Ibrahim says: The Qur’an does not but the Prophets had practiced it as written in the hadiths and as seen in the torah too.
              Ibrahim please do elaborate what you consider this verse:

              24: 2/3:

              The adulteress and the adulterer - flog each one of them with a hundred stripes. And let not pity for the twain take hold of you in executing the judgement of ALLAH, if you believe in ALLAH and the Last Day. And let a party of the believers witness their punishment.

              Do you consider the above abrogated by Torah & the Hadiths?

              Please answer to the point ... even a yes/no would suffice.
              I know that you believe that you understood what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
              - Robert McCloskey

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                #8
                Topic: Stoning to death is not Islamic
                In which case why did the Prophet and the Rashiduun Caliphs enforce RAJM or Stoning?

                Originally posted by Ibrahim:
                Looks as though it is open season on the Muslims in this forum
                Why is this so?

                You just want people to praise and follow quietly like sheeps to slaughter!

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by hafeez123:
                  In which case why did the Prophet and the Rashiduun Caliphs enforce RAJM or Stoning?
                  No one knows for a certainty that they did. There are no written court proceedings to cross examine verbal anecdotes. No verified written historical records exist from those times. Hence conjecture rules.

                  You can either take one source of information in the Qur'an or go consult conflicting stories which were most likely concocted by people to introduce and absorb prevailing Judeo-Christian/Pagan practices into the new religion.
                  JaddoN kaddya jaloos ghareeba tay shehr ich choatalee lug gayee

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by PakistaniAbroad:
                    No one knows for a certainty that they did. There are no written court proceedings to cross examine verbal anecdotes. No verified written historical records exist from those times. Hence conjecture rules.
                    You state: "Nobody knows for certainty"!
                    What kind of a comment is this?

                    You are suggesting that the present laws of RAJM are BASED on conjectures!

                    And, all the cases of Stoning to Death till the present time have been based on whims!

                    And, the scholars were commiting crimes/murder rather than following the Islamic sharia.

                    And, the book of hadiths(sahih)on the matter of Rajm are all - conjectures!

                    Finally, the madzhab based on these hadiths are also CONJECTURES!


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                      #11
                      IB...hence the punishment was prescribed by Allah (swt) to Muslims at the time of Prophet Moses (as) who was a Muslim, right?....

                      Thats funny i always thought moses was hebrew and of jewish decent, how could he be muslim when the religion of Islam wasn't even around yet?

                      IB...Hence the Christians deceived themselves and others in order to make their faith look very spiritual but what excuse do you have for spreading falsehoods?....

                      You seem to be the one using half sentances and verses out of context to belittle the christian religion when God himself in your holy book the Quran said the people of the book will enter heaven to, so what your saying is that our holy book is full of lies.God said the people of the book will enter heaven to, so you call it all lies why God says its true and we shall enter heaven why would he say that in your holy book if ours was all lies.I think your the one spreading false hoods.


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                        #12
                        Originally posted by hafeez123:
                        You state: "Nobody knows for certainty"!
                        What kind of a comment is this?
                        That's a level headed statement based on facts rather than religious passion and fervor. All historians agree that they do not have adequate written proof to believe a certain version of history from that time. There are conflicting reports and the 9th century compilations of Bukhari etc add more to this confusion.

                        You are suggesting that the present laws of RAJM are BASED on conjectures! And, all the cases of Stoning to Death till the present time have been based on whims!
                        Read the Qur'an cover to cover. You wouldn't find that punishment. Now read previous scriptures and see the stark resemblance of the style of writing and stories present in the hadith literature. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out what literature was borrowed from where.

                        And, the scholars were commiting crimes/murder rather than following the Islamic sharia.
                        The 'scholars' of this world have been doing more heinous crimes than just this. Some have elevated a human being to the status of God. Now just because it has been done for centuries and billions believe in it, it doesn't make it true does it?

                        And, the book of hadiths(sahih)on the matter of Rajm are all - conjectures!
                        Finally, the madzhab based on these hadiths are also CONJECTURES!
                        Absolutely! They are just historical records compiled from heresay and should be taken as no more than just a one sided narrative which cannot be verified from independent sources.

                        Do we have any material proof to ascertain that the anonymous "Baddu" who appears in several of these hadiths did exist; the one who conveniently pops up in these stories and claims he heard/saw the prophet say/do such and such?? And then the narrators in the chain (some only named by their aliases) just regurgitated what they heard forgetting parts of it??

                        Such compilations have been rejected by all historians of any merit as insufficient and unreliable as a source of the true course of events as they may have transpired.

                        If one is brought up treating them as Holy Books, it's no surprise they would find it difficult to challenge the writings therein.
                        JaddoN kaddya jaloos ghareeba tay shehr ich choatalee lug gayee

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Ibrahim:
                          Only one problem here, you see this verse got added into the Bible at about 600 AD.
                          The normal nonsense from our learned friend without any proof....

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by just2much:
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                            Thats funny i always thought moses was hebrew and of jewish decent, how could he be muslim when the religion of Islam wasn't even around yet?
                            Its not funny, Islam was the religion brought by VERY FIRST messenger, and ALL MESSENGERS preached Islam.

                            Islam = Oneness of God, belief in angels, day of judgment etc.

                            Moses and Jesus also preached ONENESS of GOD, as did Noah, Lute, Abraham, David , Jacob, Ishmael and others.

                            Current version of Islam was revealed to Prophet Mohammed PBUH and he was given QURAN to establish rules/laws bases on that. Just like Moses was given Torah, Jesus was given bible.


                            ...God said the people of the book will enter heaven to, so you call it all lies why God says its true and we shall enter heaven why would he say that in your holy book if ours was all lies.I think your the one spreading false hoods.
                            Yes, People of Book will enter heaven, but does that mean "ALL"? NO, those who did not enjoined anyone else with GOD. Only those believers of ANY faith are entitled who believe in God's ONENESS, His messengers, Books, Day of Judgement and did good deeds.

                            Presently if you pick up bible, it says Jesus as son of God, which is against God's teachings.

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                              #15
                              Changez_like


                              what is the punishemnt in pakistan
                              for adultery if the survive their family memebers?

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