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    What is SHIRK?

    Originally posted by Yasmine:
    I agree with Armughal, this is a cultural issue, should be moved to Cultural forum.

    Just because a group of people who happen to be muslim choose cultural practices to guide their lives, it does not make that practice muslim.
    Tribal customs are tribal customs, no religion condones such barbarism, lets not mistaken that insanity for Islaam.
    If you can be a Muslim and at the same time choose cultural practices to guide your life, then, I need to know what is Shirk?

    #2
    6:151 Say: "Come, I will rehearse what Allah hath (really) prohibited you from": Join not anything as equal with Him; be good to your parents; kill not your children on a plea of want;- We provide sustenance for you and for them;- come not nigh to shameful deeds. Whether open or secret; take not life, which Allah hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus doth He command you, that ye may learn wisdom.

    This is what shirk is "Join anything as equal with Him" the importance is obvious, as the subject is mentioned at the very start of the aya.

    I think if the cultural practice enforces us to join an equal to Allah, then its shirk bluntly.
    In other words any practice, which denies his oneness or Towheed, would also be Shirk. I some what agree with you that there are several cultural practices in our country, which can come under these the auspices of Shirk.


    [This message has been edited by MiniMe (edited July 03, 2002).]

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    بِن دانا پانی میں جی لواں
    بِن انَک میں جی نہ سکاں

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      #3
      Salaam

      Dear Different,

      Shirk: is that which someone takes from the rights of Allaah and gives to other than Allaah.

      Shirk can be divided into two categories: ash-Shirk al-Akbar (the Greater Shirk); and ash-Shirk al-Asgar (the Smaller Shirk).

      Shirk al-Akbar is that association of partners with Allaah - subhaana wa ta'aala - which takes one outside the folds of Islaam:

      "Indeed, Allaah does not forgive association with Him, but He forgives what is less than that for whom He wills. And he who associates others with Allaah has certainly gone astray." [Soorah an-Nisaa 4:116]

      ... and is composed of 4 types:

      1. Shirk in Supplication
      2. Shirk through Love
      3. Shirk by Intention
      4. Shirk through Obedience and Fear.

      1. Shirk in Supplication

      "And the places of worship are for Allah (alone): So invoke not any one along with Allah." [Soorah al-Jinn 72:18]

      "Now, if they embark on a boat, they call on Allah, making their devotion sincerely (and exclusively) to Him; but when He has delivered them safely to (dry) land, behold, they give a share (of their worship to others)!- " [Soorah al-Ankaboot 29:65]

      2. Shirk through Love

      "Yet there are men who take (for worship) others besides Allah, as equal (with Allah.: They love them as they should love Allah. But those of Faith are overflowing in their love for Allah. If only the unrighteous could see, behold, they would see the penalty: that to Allah belongs all power, and Allah will strongly enforce the penalty." [Soorah al-Baqarah 2:165]

      3. Shirk by Intention

      "Those who desire the life of the present and its glitter,- to them we shall pay (the price of) their deeds therein,- without diminution.
      They are those for whom there is nothing in the Hereafter but the Fire: vain are the designs they frame therein, and of no effect and the deeds that they do!"
      [Soorah al-Hood 11:15-16]

      4. Shirk through Obedience and Fear.

      "But if they strive to make thee join in worship with Me things of which thou hast no knowledge, obey them not; yet bear them company in this life with justice (and consideration)..." [Soorah Luqmaan 31:15]

      "They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One Allah. there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him)."

      Shirk al-Asgar is namely that which includes the likes of: showing off; statements that exagerate the position/nature of creation with respect to the Creator, Allaah - subhaan wa ta'aala; etc.

      &peace

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      "No leaf falls except that He knows of it, and no rain drop forms except that He has willed it."


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        #4
        In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful.

        004.075
        YUSUFALI: And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!"

        004.076
        YUSUFALI: Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan.

        004.077
        YUSUFALI: Hast thou not turned Thy vision to those who were told to hold back their hands (from fight) but establish regular prayers and spend in regular charity? When (at length) the order for fighting was issued to them, behold! a section of them feared men as - or even more than - they should have feared Allah: They said: "Our Lord! Why hast Thou ordered us to fight? Wouldst Thou not Grant us respite to our (natural) term, near (enough)?" Say: "Short is the enjoyment of this world: the Hereafter is the best for those who do right: Never will ye be dealt with unjustly in the very least!

        008.038
        YUSUFALI: Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them)

        008.039
        YUSUFALI: And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do.

        008.040
        YUSUFALI: If they refuse, be sure that Allah is your Protector - the best to protect and the best to help.

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          #5


          Obedience to a created being becomes shirk in situations such as obeying that person in matters where what is forbidden is deemed to be allowed, and vice versa, or when that person issues rules and regulations, or laws, that go against the laws of Allaah, and the follower believes that these laws are more complete and better than the laws of Allaah, or as good as His laws, or that the laws of Allaah are better but it is permissible to follow these man-made laws. The evidence for this is the aayah (interpretation of the meaning): “They (Jews and Christians) took their rabbis and their monks to be their Lords besides Allaah (by obeying then in things which they made lawful or unlawful according to their own desires without being ordered by Allaah)…” [al-Tawbah 9:31]. ‘Adiyy ibn Haatim said: “O Messenger of Allaah, we do not worship them.” [He was a Christian who became a Muslim - Translator]. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Do they not allow you that which Allaah has forbidden and forbid what Allaah has allowed?” He said, “Yes.” He said, “This is a kind of worship.” The Christians’ obedience of their priests in sin and in accepting what they say about what is lawful or unlawful is a form of worshipping something other than Allaah, which is a kind of shirk akbar (major shirk), that contradicts Tawheed (true monotheism).

          The Muslim has to strive against himself to bring his desires in line with what the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) taught, and so that he gives precedence to obeying Allaah and His Messenger over obeying anyone else, and so that Allaah and His Messenger are more beloved to him than anyone else. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “None of you truly believes until I am more beloved to him than his son, his father, and all the people.” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 63). And Allaah is the Guide to the Straight Path.

          Islam Q&A (www.islam-qa.com)

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            #6
            Folks - Even the pagans of Kalahari believe in the supreme being but they believe - VERY Correctly that this supreme being can manifest in many forms and place yet retaining the same singular entity!

            QUESTION:
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            Do you understand any of what I just wrote?

            Actually, the above is the accepted understanding of most rational scholars who emphasize that there can only be "one-ness" of Allah`- the Eternal Spirit!

            Note from moderator: Do not ridicule the beliefs of others. Sentinel.


            [This message has been edited by Sentinel (edited July 04, 2002).]

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              #7
              What about calling upon the Prophet of Allah(SAWS), Pirs and fakirs, buzurgs etc. in supplicatoins (for help etc)? Is it classified as shirk?

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                #8
                Originally posted by Beatle_ki_wapsi:
                What about calling upon the Prophet of Allah(SAWS), Pirs and fakirs, buzurgs etc. in supplicatoins (for help etc)? Is it classified as shirk?

                Ofcourse it is classified as shirk!

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                  #9
                  Salaam,

                  Different,

                  JazaakumAllaahu khair brother for posting the above.

                  &peace

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                  "No leaf falls except that He knows of it, and no rain drop forms except that He has willed it."

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Adbul:

                    Folks - Even the pagans of Kalahari believe in the supreme being but they believe - VERY Correctly that this supreme being can manifest in many forms and place yet retaining the same singular entity!

                    QUESTION:
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                    Do you understand any of what I just wrote?
                    Uh no, no i'm afraid i don't, because it completely contradicts the verse of the Qur'aan, where Allaah - subhaana wa ta'aala states, that He created the heavens and the earth and then established Himself upon His throne:

                    "Indeed your Lord is Allaah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six days and then established Himself above the Throne." [Soorah Al-A'raaf 7:54]

                    ... and:

                    "He it is Who created for you all that is on earth. Then He rose over towards the heaven and made them seven heavens and He is the All-Knower of everything." [Soorah al-Baqarah 2:29]

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                    "No leaf falls except that He knows of it, and no rain drop forms except that He has willed it."

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                      #11
                      ... and i shall delete this too.

                      It is not necessarily what is said, but rather, the manner in which it is said.

                      Sentinel.


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                        #12
                        What manner was it said in?

                        You should be asking your Sahih hadiths that question and your scholars who have written about it!

                        You are just afraid of the truth just like rest!

                        I shall once again refer it to the EXECUTIVES of Gup Shup!

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Different:
                          Ofcourse it is classified as shirk!
                          Man, Pakistan is one country deep rooted in shirk!

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Beatle_ki_wapsi:
                            Man, Pakistan is one country deep rooted in shirk!

                            deep passimism

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                              #15
                              As-Salaam 'alaykum wa-Rahmatullaahe wa-Barakaatuhu

                              Just to clarify a point. Allaah does not refer to Himself as a spirit anywhere in the Qur'an nor does His Prophet(saw) express anything of that nature in Hadeeth. In fact Allaah(swt) refers to the spirit as part of His creation.

                              "They ask you (Muhammad) about the spirit. Tell (them) that the spirit (exists) by my Lord's command" [Soorah al-Isra 17:85].

                              Part of Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah (Tawheed) is to refer to Allaah(swt) without giving Him the attributes of His creation or vice versa.

                              Allaah(swt) says in the Qur'aan

                              "There is nothing like Him and He is hearer and seer of all" [Surah ash-Shooraa 42:11]

                              The Creator is not part of His creation nor is it a part of Him. Therefore Islaam rejects the idea of Allaah is everywhere.

                              For proof, see
                              http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=en...e&QR=992&dgn=3

                              Also please find time to get and read the following book.
                              http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamen.../abutaw_1.html

                              Other very important information on the subject of tawheed/aqeedah can be found in the links below. It explains the the kalimah (word) of tauheed, 'La ilaha ill-Allah" according to how the Prophet(saw) taught it and how it was understood by his companions.
                              http://www.islaam.net/display/display.php?category=3
                              http://www.islaam.com/Article.asp?id=323
                              http://www.islaam.com/Section.asp?id=4
                              http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/introduc...aimiyah_1.html

                              As-Salaam 'alaykum wa-Rahmatullaahe wa-Barakaatuhu

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