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    SALAAM BROTHERS AND SISTERS!
    does anyone know why BISMILLAH IRAHMAAN IRAHEEM is also written as 786?
    why this numba and not anything else?
    just curious....

    #2
    This is called "" Ilm-e-Abjad or ilm-ul-ahdad"
    Which means every Arabic alphabet has got a specific weight in numbers....
    If you take the weights of all individual Alphabets of Bismillah and add them togehter, the sume would be 786....

    People write 786 instead of full Bismillah if there is any chance of disrespect of that paper, board etc where Bismillah is written on....

    Ilm-ul-Ahdad is a branch of a spiritual knowledge


    Originally posted by 786:
    SALAAM BROTHERS AND SISTERS!
    does anyone know why BISMILLAH IRAHMAAN IRAHEEM is also written as 786?
    why this numba and not anything else?
    just curious....

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      #3
      aah now it makes mor sense!
      thanx romance!

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        #4
        Originally posted by 786:
        SALAAM BROTHERS AND SISTERS!
        does anyone know why BISMILLAH IRAHMAAN IRAHEEM is also written as 786?
        why this numba and not anything else?
        just curious....

        Romance sahib ne Theek farmaiyaa
        issko Ilm-ul-abjad kehte haiN
        Urdu, Farsi aur Araby Zubaan ke huroof bhi Harf-ul-abjad kehlaate haiN
        har Harf ki aik apni Value hoti hai aur
        iss waqt mujhey zubaani yaad nahiN haai lekin B =10 Alif= 1 to dono ko count karne se keya aaigaa 11 aur 11 ka matlab huwa BA

        magar Bissmillah ko ya kissi Name ko iss tarah likhna hargiz Jaiz nahIn hai kioUnkeh ab dekhiye na aap 1+10=11 aur 10+1=aa iss tarah tarteeb badal jaati hai wo jo BA tha wo AB bhi ho sakta hai iss lyie aap 786 likhne se parhez kijye kiounkeh counting agar ki jaye to 786 kissi aur kalima , Galli ya harf ki bhi ki jaasatki hai jisska Hassil 786 ho aur iss ke ilawa 786 se laazmi nahin hai keh bissmilaah bissmillah hi rahe?

        also i would suggest you keh 786 wesse aap rakh lijyie aik omber ke taur per magar agar bissmillah likhna hwua kare to poora likhyie usski bajaaye 786 hargiz na likhyiega

        kiounkeh kalimaat ki mukamal aur Saaf adaigi bhi Ibadat ka aik Hissa hai

        Jazak allah

        yeh maiN apni naqass raye se keh raha hooN dost apni raye de sakte haiN


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        Waaizo Aatish-e-DauzakH se JahaN ko tumne
        Yeh Draiyaa hai keh kHud ban gaye Darr ki Soorat

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          #5
          I've only seen this amongst Pakistanis other Muslims such as Malaysians and Arabs don't seem to use numbers in this way.

          It's a cultural thing as there doesn't seem to be any evidence this was done at the time of the prophet.

          Farouq Taj

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            #6
            Originally posted by farouq_taj:
            I've only seen this amongst Pakistanis other Muslims such as Malaysians and Arabs don't seem to use numbers in this way.

            It's a cultural thing as there doesn't seem to be any evidence this was done at the time of the prophet.

            Farouq Taj
            Sahi farmaiyaaa aap ne Farouq sahib
            magar unke In haroof ki alue bhi alag hoti hai ..!!!!

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              #7
              Besides, if you have written 786 with the intention of writing Bismillah, any disrespect to it is disrespect to the original word (if you are taking this way of writing Bismillah to be correct i.e.)

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                #8
                Romance and 786 :
                Do you guys have any idea what you guys are talking about ? I guess not. 786 has no connection to anything, especially to Islam, its one of the innovations dreamt up in Pak and/or india. Next you guys will come up with a numerical combination to surah al-fatiha - think about what you are saying, dont follow blindly, stop ask questions and analyze.

                Question : when you are saying your salaat do you say 786 instead of Bismillahir-Rahmanir-Raheem ? I already know your answer, so think about it and be serious about the deem of Allah(SWT)



                [This message has been edited by zman (edited June 26, 2002).]

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                  #9
                  i looked this up..hope it satisfies u. I guess u can call 786 as just a number...but if it is written on sum page u are bound to get the idea that it means bismillah..

                  [QUOTE]Qs. I never quite understood the idea behind the number "786". Is it possible for you to explain its significance at your earliest convenience?

                  A 2. "786" is the total value of the letters of "Bismillah al-Rahman al-Rahim". In Arabic there are two methods of arranging letters. One method is the most common method known as the alphabetical method. Here we begin with Alif, ba, ta, tha etc. The other method is known as the Abjad method or ordinal method. In this method each letter has an arithmetic value assigned to it from one to one thousand. The letters are arranged in the following order: Abjad, Hawwaz, Hutti, Kalaman, Sa'fas, Qarshat, Sakhaz, Zazagh. This arrangement was done, most probably in the 3rd century of Hijrah during the 'Abbasid period, following other Semitic languages such as Phoenician, Aramaic, Hebrew, Syriac, Chaldean etc.

                  If you take the numeric values of all the letters of the Basmalah, according to the Abjad order, the total will be 786. In the Indian subcontinent the Abjad numerals became quite popular. Some people, mostly in India and Pakistan, use 786 as a substitute for Bismillah. They write this number to avoid writing the name of Allah or the Qur'anic ayah on ordinary papers. This tradition is not from the time of the Prophet -peace be upon him- or his Sahabah. It developed much later, perhaps during the later 'Abbasid period. We do not know of any reputable Imams or Jurists who used this number instead of the Bismillah.


                  [This message has been edited by Sentinel (edited June 26, 2002).]

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                    #10
                    AsSalaamu 'alaykum,

                    As zman has pointed out, the 786 calculation is something that was invented in India and is only common amongst some of the Muslims in the Indian sub-continent region, namely, India itself, Pakistan and Bangladesh.

                    However, this type of practice by equating the letters of the alphabet to their numeric equivalents has no basis in the Religion. There is no evidence from either Qur'aan or Sunnah to support this claim, and neither did the Companions, nor those who followed them in understanding, use this system to give Qur'aanic verses digital values.

                    Unfortunately, and it is very regrettable to see, that many of these practices and customs have emanated from traditional or cultural inclinations rather than from religious teachings.

                    And sadly, we see the use of '786' amongst our elders, or perhaps we ourselves jot it down, while writing to someone, instead of using Allaah's blessed words of 'Bismillaah ar-Rahmaan ar-Raheem', for which there is no substitute.

                    The Prophet - salallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam - used to always begin his letters with 'Bismillaah ar-Rahmaan ar-Raheem', even while addressing non-Muslims. For example Heraclius, who was king of Rome at the time. And he, the Messenger of Allaah - salallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam - as we know, was sent by the Creator as an example to be followed by everyone. So what better than to follow the best of mankind?

                    And he was sent as a warner and bringer of glad tidings, as you are all well aware. The warning was regarding Shirk and all evil actions, that is to say, newly invented matters that are not part of the Deen.

                    The Religion is complete today, as it was completed by Allaah - subhaana wa ta'aala - 1400 years ago through his final Messenger - salallaahu 'alayhi wa salam - there is no room for additions nor subtraction.

                    ... and clearly, this '786' practice is not a part of the Religion this day, as it was not a part of the Religion that day. In fact it is a newly invented matter, with no basis in the Religion.

                    ... and Allaah - the All Knowing, Most Wise - knows best.

                    &peace

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                      #11
                      i was confused about this also...
                      thanks for clearing that up

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                        #12
                        I believe it was Al-khwarizmi who made a huge contribution in simplifying Mathematics from Arabic alphabet number representation to use of plain numbers.

                        Arabic letters and their corresponding number representations

                        Alif = 1
                        ba = 2
                        ta = 400
                        tha = 500
                        Jim = 3
                        ha = 8
                        kha = 600
                        dal = 4
                        zal = 700
                        ra = 200
                        zai = 7
                        seen = 60
                        sheen = 300
                        sadh = 90
                        dhad = 800
                        tah = 9
                        thah = 900
                        ain = 70
                        ghain = 1000
                        fa = 80
                        kaf = 20
                        qaf = 100
                        lam = 30
                        meem = 40
                        noon = 50
                        haw = 5
                        ya = 10

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                          #13
                          How does one get 786 for bismillah? Here is how,

                          2+60+40+1+30+30+5+1+30+200+8+40+50+1+30+200+8+10+4 0=786

                          By adding all the alphabet.Complicated?? You bet

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                            #14
                            Dear google,

                            Is Al-Khwarizmi better than Allaah and his Messenger - salallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam? Or perhaps he knows more about Islaam than they? Or maybe even he is on a Religion superior to that what the Messenger of Allaah brought us?

                            Something which is not a part of the Religion shall not be a part of the Religion, as it will be rejected by Allaah - subhaan wa ta'aala!

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                              #15
                              Hasnain and Zman, I agree with you guys on one thing, it is silly to write 786 instead of Bismillah and has no religious foundations. However, the fact that Bismillah is written as 786 IS because all arabic letters have a numeric value, called Gematrical values.

                              Hebrew and Aramaic letters also have gematrical values. These letters were assigned numerical values to aid in trading. Just like Roman letters, for instance I=1 V=5 X=10. So the way they derived 786 from Bismillah was to write down the word, take each letter, ie Ba Seen Meem ... and so on, then they took the corresponding gematrical value of the letters, added them all up and came up with 786. However, it's still silly to write 786 and not Bismillah, seems very cheap.

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