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    What/Who is Satan?

    Some questions I have concering Satan...
    1. I know that Satan is a fallen Angel, but what is his name?

    2. Satan refused to bow down to Adam when God had commanded it, that is why he was thrown out. Some have interpretted this in a defferent way though. I have read one interpretation in which Satan is thought to have failed good because of his fatal flaw. It wasn't that he was to proud to bow down to Adam, but rather because he thought that the only being worthy of being bowed down to was god. Its was his love and respect for god, above and beyond that of the other Angels that led to his fall. This interpretation also states that the reason why Satan tries to spread doubt (and thus evil) in the hearts of men is not to spite god, but rather to pick out those that are worthy of God from those that are not. Anyone agree with this interpretation.. If no why?

    3. Satan is thought to have tried to seduce Hazrat isa, (pbuh), into going against god by offering him a vast land which he could rule over. Satan was refused ofcourse. What I want to know is how the Koran refers to this meeting between the prophet and Satan, assuming it does.

    5. What is Satan? Is he a spirit, does he actually have a physical form? Does he have minions to help in his work? Where in hell does he reside or does he reside everywhere?

    4. Will those that are condemened to hell ever be allowed to leave? Will Hell always exist? Will Satan always be a fallen Angel?

    #2

    a fallen angel? i thought angels didnt have the gift of free thought and decision making to cause God displeasure? what happened here?
    Simple ain't easy.

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      #3
      I dont know.. Thats what im trying to find out. Obviously Satan really got on Gods bad side and god kicked him out of heaven. I guess, thats what made Satan unique.

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        #4
        1. I know that Satan is a fallen Angel, but what is his name?
        His name in Islam, is Iblis

        2. Satan refused to bow down to Adam when God had commanded it, that is why he was thrown out. Some have interpretted this in a defferent way though. I have read one interpretation in which Satan is thought to have failed good because of his fatal flaw. It wasn't that he was to proud to bow down to Adam, but rather because he thought that the only being worthy of being bowed down to was god. Its was his love and respect for god, above and beyond that of the other Angels that led to his fall. This interpretation also states that the reason why Satan tries to spread doubt (and thus evil) in the hearts of men is not to spite god, but rather to pick out those that are worthy of God from those that are not. Anyone agree with this interpretation.. If no why?
        In Islam, the sources are the Qur'an and Sunnah, and if we refer this matter to the Qur'an, we clearly see that Shaytan refused to bow down due to his pride, because Adam peace be upon him was made from clay, and hence he thought he shouldn't bow down, since he was only made from clay, which he thought was inferior.

        When Iblees refused to prostrate to Adam, Allaah expelled him from heaven and the curse of Allaah is upon him until the Day of Resurrection. Allaah said to him:

        “Then get out from here; for verily, you are outcast.

        And verily, My Curse is on you till the Day of Recompense”

        [Saad 38:77-78 – interpretation of the meaning]

        He asked for respite until the day of ressurrection in order to stray mankind away from the straight path.

        Allah granted him that respite.

        “(Allaah) said: ‘Go, and whosoever of them follows you, surely, Hell will be the recompense of you (all) an ample recompense.

        [al-Israa’ 17:62-]

        On the Day of Resurrection, the Day of truth and justice, the Shaytaan will confess to his crimes and will declare before all of creation that Allaah is the One Who tells the truth and that he is a liar. He will say that there is no blame on him; rather the blame is on those who followed him. Then everyone who followed him will regret it, but at that time regret will be of no avail:

        “And Shaytaan (Satan) will say when the matter has been decided: ‘Verily, Allaah promised you a promise of truth. And I too promised you, but I betrayed you. I had no authority over you except that I called you, and you responded to me. So blame me not, but blame yourselves. I cannot help you, nor can you help me. I deny your former act in associating me (Satan) as a partner with Allaah (by obeying me in the life of the world). Verily, there is a painful torment for the Zaalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers)’”

        [Ibraaheem 14:22 – interpretation of the meaning]

        The ayahs, and some of the explanations from above are from islam-qa.com

        5. What is Satan? Is he a spirit, does he actually have a physical form? Does he have minions to help in his work? Where in hell does he reside or does he reside everywhere?
        I'm not exactly sure what Satan is, I think he is a jinn from memory, but this might not be correct, inshAllah someone correct me if i'm wrong, and yes he does have minions to help in his work, these minions could be Human beings, for example, who try to lead mankind away from the straight path. And at the moment he isn't in hell, since he's been granted respite.

        But he will burn forever, after the day of judgement occurs.

        4. Will those that are condemened to hell ever be allowed to leave? Will Hell always exist? Will Satan always be a fallen Angel?
        Hell will always exist, it is eternal, and the years are infinite, and Yes, Satan will always be in hell, will some people allowed to leave? Yes, this is depending on the number of bad deeds and good deeds they have done, so some might spend some time in hell, and then be forgiven, and granted Jannah (Paradise), as stated in various hadiths.

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          #5
          who told u satan was a fallen angel???

          He was not an angel to start with...he was a jinn....he lived on earth and worshipped Allah...He left world for Allah and only and only worshipped him...in those times the jinns were busy fighting as we humans today are..but iblis just worshipped Allah...so the angels who cam down to earth asked allah to call him to heaven because they thought that he was too good to remain on Earth...

          Iblis is made of fire...angels are made of nur and humans are made of earth...and that is why iblis didn't bow before adam, Iblis from the beginig had a proud mind and Allah knew it but angels didnot...and why Allah didn't tell angels abt it...only Allah knows. . Why iblis didn't bow was because he felt that as he is made of fire he is superior to the man made of mere earth!!

          Once again iblis is not a fallen angel he is a JINN.


          [This message has been edited by enchanted (edited June 13, 2002).]

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            #6
            Originally posted by Adnan Ahmed:
            Some questions I have concering Satan...
            1. I know that Satan is a fallen Angel, but what is his name?
            Marrij or something that sounded similar. Shaitan is not from the same nur of Angel.

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              #7
              Some questions I have concering Satan...
              1. I know that Satan is a fallen Angel, but what is his name?


              Satan is not a fallen angel according to islam, but a Jinn, a being created from fire. Angels are beings created from light, and humans from clay. Satan or Iblees(his real name) was before his downfall one of the most pious of the Jinn's.....so pious that he was ranked nearly up there with the angels since the angels never went against Allah's word. However his pride made him disobey Allah and not bow down to Adam.

              2. Satan refused to bow down to Adam when God had commanded it, that is why he was thrown out. Some have interpretted this in a defferent way though. I have read one interpretation in which Satan is thought to have failed good because of his fatal flaw. It wasn't that he was to proud to bow down to Adam, but rather because he thought that the only being worthy of being bowed down to was god. Its was his love and respect for god, above and beyond that of the other Angels that led to his fall. This interpretation also states that the reason why Satan tries to spread doubt (and thus evil) in the hearts of men is not to spite god, but rather to pick out those that are worthy of God from those that are not. Anyone agree with this interpretation.. If no why?

              An interesting interpretation...however keep in mind that if ALLAH commands you to do something you do it without doubt. Allah is the wisest, Satan shouldve done as he was commanded too..and not let his pride come in the way.

              3. Satan is thought to have tried to seduce Hazrat isa, (pbuh), into going against god by offering him a vast land which he could rule over. Satan was refused ofcourse. What I want to know is how the Koran refers to this meeting between the prophet and Satan, assuming it does.

              Never heard of this....im not knowledgeable enough though.

              5. What is Satan? Is he a spirit, does he actually have a physical form? Does he have minions to help in his work? Where in hell does he reside or does he reside everywhere?

              As explained above, satan is a being created out of fire..beings like him are known as JINN..they reside in a world parallel to ours, and are invisible to us. They however can see us.

              4. Will those that are condemened to hell ever be allowed to leave? Will Hell always exist? Will Satan always be a fallen Angel?

              Allah knows best. Satan is not a fallen Angel, but a Jinn...so he will always remain a JINN..as for the people condemened to hell, Allah knows best.


              [This message has been edited by Maniac (edited June 13, 2002).]

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                #8
                Thanks guys, this helps..
                Im surprised to find that Satan is not an Angel.
                But if he is a jinn, then that raises the question of what a jinn is. So what is it and where and how does it exist?

                Bby the way, the meeting between Satan and Jesus (PHUH) is from christian gospel..
                Im wondering if it is mentioned in the Koran aswell? Did such a meeting take place?

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                  #9
                  Hope this helps, coz you wanted to know about Jinns, here's a related question, an answer:


                  Question:


                  I have read in the Holy Qur'an what a jinn is, but I really don't understand what they really are. Can you please send me more information on them.
                  Peace be unto you!

                  Answer:

                  Praise be to Allaah.

                  The Qur’aan and Sunnah indicate that the jinn exist, and that there is a purpose for their existence in this life, which is to worship Allaah Alone, with no partner or associate. Allaah says (interpretation of the meanings):

                  “And I (Allaah) created not the jinns and humans, except they should worship Me (Alone).” [al-Dhaariyaat 51:56].

                  “O assembly of jinns and mankind! Did there not come to you Messengers from amongst you, reciting unto you My Verses…?” [al-An’aam 6:130]

                  The world of the jinn is an independent and separate world, with its own distinct nature and features that are hidden from the world of humans. Jinns and humans have some things in common, such as the possession of understanding and the choice between the way of good and the way of evil. The word jinn comes from an Arabic root meaning “hidden from sight”. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

                  “… Verily he [Shaytaan] and his qabeeluhu [his soldiers from the jinn or his tribe] see you from where you cannot see them…” [al-A’raaf 7:27]

                  Allaah has told us in His Book the essence from which the jinn were created. He says (interpretation of the meaning):

                  “And the jinn, We created aforetime from the smokeless flame o fire.” [al-Hijr 15:27]

                  “And the jinns did He create from a smokeless flame of fire.” [al-Rahmaan 55:15].

                  According to a hadeeth narrated by ‘Aa’ishah, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The angels were created from light, the jinn were created from fire, and Aadam was created from that which has been described to you.” (Reported by Muslim, 5314).

                  Types of jinn

                  Allaah has created different types of jinn. Among them are some who can take on different forms, such as dogs and snakes; some who are like flying winds with wings; and some who can travel and rest. Abu Tha’labah al-Khushani said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘The jinn are of three types: a types that has wings, and they fly through the air; a type that looks like snakes and dogs; and a type that stops for a rest then resumes its journey.” (Reported by al-Tahhaawi in Mushkil al-Athaar, 4/95, and by al-Tabaraani in al-Kabeer, 22/214. Shaykh al-Albaani said in al-Mishkaat (2/1206, no. 4148): al-Tahhaawi and Abu’l-Shaykh reported it with a saheeh isnaad).

                  The jinn and the sons of Aadam

                  Every individual among the sons of Aadam has a jinn who has been appointed to be his constant companion (qareen). Ibn Mas’ood said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, ‘There is not one of you who does not have a jinn appointed to be his constant companion.’ They said, ‘And you too, O Messenger of Allaah?’ He said, ‘Me too, but Allaah has helped me and he has submitted, so that he only helps me to do good.’” (Reported by Muslim, 2814). Al-Nawawi said in his commentary on Muslim (17/175): “‘He has submitted’ … he became a believing Muslim. This is the apparent meaning. Al-Qaadi said: Know that the ummah is agreed upon the fact that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was protected from Shaytaan, physically and mentally, and with regard to his speech. This hadeeth contains a reference to the warning against the fitnah (temptation, trial) and whispers of the qareen (constant companion from among the jinn). We know that he is with us so we should beware of him as much as possible.”

                  Their powers

                  Allaah has given the jinn powers that he has not given to humans. Allaah has told us about some of their powers, such as the ability to move and travel quickly. An ‘ifreet from among the jinn guaranteed to the Prophet Sulaymaan (peace be upon him) that he would bring the throne of the Queen of Yemen to Jerusalem in a moment faster than that needed for a man to get up from where he was sitting. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

                  “An ‘ifreet (strong one) from the jinns said: ‘I will bring it [her throne] to you before you rise from your place (council). And verily, I am indeed strong, and trustworthy for such work.’ One with whom was knowledge of the Scripture said: ‘I will bring it to you within the twinkling of an eye!’ – then when Sulaymaan saw it placed before him, he said, ‘This is by the Grace of my Lord…’” [al-Naml 27:39-40].

                  The food and drink of the jinn

                  The jinn eat and drink. Ibn Mas’ood said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘Someone from among the jinn called me, and I went with him and recited Qur’aan for them.’ He took us and showed us the traces of where they had been and the traces of their fires. They asked him for food and he said, ‘You can have every bone on which the name of Allaah has been mentioned that comes into your possession, as meat, and all the droppings as food for your animals.’ The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, ‘So do not use [these things] for cleaning yourselves [after relieving oneself], for they are the food and provision of your brothers.’” (Reported by Muslim, 450). According to another report: “A delegation of jinn from Naseebeen came to me, and what good jinn they are! They asked me for food and I prayed to Allaah for them, so that they would not pass by bones or droppings, but they would find food on them.” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 3571). The believing jinn may eat any bone on which the name of Allaah has been mentioned, because the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not permit them to have anything on which Allaah’s name has not been mentioned – those are for the kuffaar among the jinn.

                  The beasts of the jinn

                  According to the hadeeth narrated by Ibn Mas’ood, that we have quoted above, the jinn asked the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) for provision, and he said to them: “…and [you can have] all the droppings as food for your animals.”

                  The dwelling-places of the jinn

                  The jinn live on this earth where we do. They are mostly to be found in ruins and unclean places like bathrooms, dunghills, garbage dumps and graveyards. Hence the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) taught us to take precautions when entering such places, by reciting the adhkaar (prayers) prescribed by Islam. One of these was reported by Anas ibn Maalik (may Allaah be pleased with him), who said: “When the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) entered the toilet, he would say, ‘Allaahumma innee a’oodhu bika min al-khubuthi wa’l-khabaa’ith (O Allaah, I seek refuge with You from the evil ones, male and female).’” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 142; and Muslim, 375). Al-Khattaabi explained that khubuth is the plural of khabeeth (evil or dirty – masculine form), and khabaa’ith is the plural of khabeethah (evil or dirty – feminine form), and that what is meant is male and female shayaateen.

                  Some jinns are Muslims and some are kaafirs

                  Allaah tells us that some of the jinn said (interpretation of the meaning):

                  “ ‘And some of us are Muslims, and of us some are al-qaasitoon (disbelievers – those who have deviated from the Right Path). And whosoever has embraced Islam, then such have sought the Right Path. And as for the qaasitoon, they shall be firewood for Hell.’” [al-Jinn 72:14-15]

                  The Muslims among the jinn are of different levels as regards righteousness and taqwa. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

                  “[Some jinn said:] ‘There are among us some that are righteous, and some the contrary; we are groups, each having a different way (religious sects, etc.)’” [al-Jinn 72:11]

                  The story of how the first jinn of this ummah became Muslim was narrated by ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Abbaas, who said: “The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) went out with a group of his Companions heading for the marketplace of ‘Ukaaz. This was when the shayaateen were prevented from getting any news from heaven, and shooting stars had been sent against them. The shayaateen went back to their people, who said, ‘What is the matter with you?’ They said, ‘We cannot get news from heaven, and shooting stars were sent against us.’ Their people said, ‘Nothing is stopping you from hearing news from heaven except some new event that must have happened. Go and look in the east and the west of the earth, and see if you can find out what it is that is stopping you from hearing news from heaven.’ Those who went out in the direction of Tihaamah came upon the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) in Nakhlah, when he was on his way to ‘Ukaaz, and found him leading his Companions in Fajr prayer. When they heard the Qur’aan, they listened to it and said, ‘By Allaah, this is what is stopping us from hearing news from heaven.’ When they went back to their people, they said, ‘O our people, we have heard a wonderful Recital (the Qur’aan). It guides to the Right Path, and we have believed therein, and we shall never join (in worship) anything with our Lord (Allaah). [al-Jinn 72:2 – interpretation of the meaning]. Then Allaah revealed to His Prophet peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) the words (interpretation of the meaning): “Say (O Muhammad): ‘It has been revealed to me that a group of jinns listened (to this Qur’aan)…’ [al-Jinn 72:1], and Allaah revealed to him what the jinn had said.” (reported by al-Bukhaari, 731).

                  Their reckoning on the Day of Resurrection

                  The jinn will be called to account on the day of Resurrection. Mujaahid (may Allaah have mercy on him) said, concerning the aayah (interpretation of the meaning): “… but the jinns know well that they have indeed to appear (before Him) (i.e., they will be brought to account)” [al-Saffaat 37:158]: “They will be brought to judgement.” Saheeh al-Bukhaari, Baab Dhikr al-Jinn wa Thawaabihim wa ‘Iqaabihim.

                  Protection from the harm of the jinn

                  Because the jinn can see us while we cannot see them, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) taught us many ways to protect ourselves from their harm, such as seeking refuge with Allaah from the accursed Shaytaan, reciting Soorat al-Falaq and Soorat al-Naas (the last two Soorahs of the Qur’aan), and reciting the words taught by Allaah in the Qur’aan (interpretation of the meaning): “Say: ‘My Lord! I seek refuge with You from the whisperings (suggestions) of the shayaateen (devils). And I seek refuge with You, my Lord, lest they may attend (or come near) me.’” [al-Mu’minoon 23:97-98]

                  Saying Bismillaah (in the Name of Allaah) before entering one’s home, before eating or drinking, and before having intercourse will also keep the Shaytaan from entering the house or partaking with a person in his food, drink and sexual activity. Similarly, mentioning the name of Allaah before entering the toilet or taking off one’s clothes will prevent the jinn from seeing a person’s ‘awrah or harming him, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, “To put a barrier that will prevent the jinn from seeing the ‘awrah of the sons of Aadam, let any one of you say ‘Bismillaah’ when entering the toilet.” (Reported by al-Tirmidhi, 551; Saheeh al-Jaami’, 3611).

                  Strength of faith and religion in general will also prevent the jinn from harming a person, so much so that if they were to fight, the one who has faith would win. ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “A man from among the Companions of Muhammad met a man from among the jinn. They wrestled, and the human knocked down the jinn. The human said to him, ‘You look small and skinny to me, and your forearms look like the front paws of a dog. Do all the jinn look like this, or only you?’ He said, ‘No, by Allaah, among them I am strong, but let us wrestle again, and if you defeat me I will teach you something that will do you good.’ The human said, ‘Fine.’ He said, ‘Recite, ‘Allaah! None has the right to be worshipped but He, the Ever-living, the One Who sustains and protects all that exists…’ [Aayat al-Kursi – al-Baqarah 2:255 – interpretation of the meaning]. The human said, ‘Fine.’ He said, ‘You will never recite this in your house but the Shaytaan will come out of it like a donkey breaking wind, and he will never come back in until the next morning.’” (Reported by al-Daarimi, 3247).

                  This is a brief summary about the jinn, and their nature and characteristics. Allaah is the Best of protectors and the Most Merciful of those who show mercy.


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                    #10
                    I hope you don’t mind what I am saying here brother and I don’t want to start a religious debate but do you know how funny it is when someone brings a hadith (like above) that talk about human wrestling Jinn which is pure crap since Jinn is without Jism. Are you sure it wasn’t shadow-boxing?

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by google:
                      I hope you don’t mind what I am saying here brother and I don’t want to start a religious debate but do you know how funny it is when someone brings a hadith (like above) that talk about human wrestling Jinn which is pure crap since Jinn is without Jism. Are you sure it wasn’t shadow-boxing?
                      The jinns can take the form of a man....though interaction between jinns and humans is streictly forbidden.

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                        #12
                        Adnan i havent readthe other posts here but what i do know was satan asnt a fallen angel, thats a christian concept
                        angels have no free will therefore they must obey Allah
                        Iblis (aka satan) is a djinn, made of smokeless fire and he had a high position as the leader of the other djinns in heaven, he also had free will, which he used to shun Allahs commands to bow too Adam saying he was superior bcos he was made of fire, and Adam of clay

                        whats creepy abt djinns is that they have the power to transform and can appear in any shapes to us, the oldest of them have the mind of a ten year old human child and when you spk of satan its said that they come to hear

                        there are also good djinns in existance

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Adnan Ahmed:
                          2. Satan refused to bow down to Adam when God had commanded it, that is why he was thrown out. Some have interpretted this in a defferent way though. I have read one interpretation in which Satan is thought to have failed good because of his fatal flaw. It wasn't that he was to proud to bow down to Adam, but rather because he thought that the only being worthy of being bowed down to was god. Its was his love and respect for god, above and beyond that of the other Angels that led to his fall. This interpretation also states that the reason why Satan tries to spread doubt (and thus evil) in the hearts of men is not to spite god, but rather to pick out those that are worthy of God from those that are not. Anyone agree with this interpretation.. If no why?
                          This must be one of the most nonsensical and unconvincing arguments I have come across. To have the arrogance to disobey and to question, and then to ask for time and on top of that, time to lead people astray...well that "love" says it all.

                          The height of love and respect is to be The Ultimate Slave, that is to unquestionably accept God's word.

                          A better argument, although still weak, might have been that of destiny (as stated in Iqbal's poem: Dialouge b/w God & Iblis).

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by queer:

                            a fallen angel? i thought angels didnt have the gift of free thought and decision making to cause God displeasure? what happened here?
                            The angels also questioned the creation of Adam and God's decision to place him on earth, as told in the Qur'an:

                            YUSUFALI: Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: "I will create a vicegerent on earth." They said: "Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood?- whilst we do celebrate Thy praises and glorify Thy holy (name)?" He said: "I know what ye know not." (2:30)

                            Their knowledge seems to be greater than their will which makes them less prone to becoming "disobedient".

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                              #15
                              Thanks guys, this stuff is really interesting.. Learn something new everyday

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