Hoors

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One thing I never understood was why men get so many hoors in heaven, when there is no mention of any hunks in heaven for the women...or will women just have no sexual desires in heaven...?

And is this hoor thing for real? or is it all just overemphasized becuz till this day muslims have been dominated by a culture-induced male dominant mindset?

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Oh Sure. Women will have their partner from among the hoor just as what the men are getting themselves

[alams Find all posts View Profile Close alams]

Since the Hoor is mentioned in Quraan & Ahadees, so it is for real.

Women will be rewarded for their good deeds from Allah. I have read that other than Hoors 3-women as well be given to men who will be blessed with Jannah.

But separately I have never read about women being rewarded in this context in the way men are.

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google, lesbians in heaven?

Well, at any rate, that would be reward even greater for men! hmph!

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Well, i'm going to try hard to pray to God to get rid of the whole hoor issue...its so sexist.

either that, or arrange for some male escorts for the pious women.

I'm sorry, its late at night and my head is just reeling.

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Sweet Doll
Hoor doesn’t mean 'female'. It means partner.

Farhad

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Originally posted by alams:
Since the Hoor is mentioned in Quraan & Ahadees, so it is for real.

Women will be rewarded for their good deeds from Allah. I have read that other than Hoors 3-women as well be given to men who will be blessed with Jannah.

But separately I have never read about women being rewarded in this context in the way men are.

Allah swt do not discriminate. Why is it difficult for you to accept that woman would be granted their partner just as male would be granted their from among the hoors. BTW, Women in paradise would be 1000 times prettier and more perfect than any female hoors.

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Dear brothers and sisters,
Asslamu Alikum

To assert that Houri are gender less is totally baseless. There is no evidence found in Quran, Sunnah and in Saheeh Hadeeth to conclude such an assertion. Houri are mention four times in Al-Quran, as translated in The Noble Quran A Summarized Version of At-Tabari, Al-Qurtubi and Ibn Kathir with comments from Sahih Al-Bukhari By Dr. Muhammad Taqi-ud-Din Al-Hilali, Ph.D., Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan. Kindly follow the links provided for confirmation of translation. Read it yourself.

Chapter 44. Ad-Dukhan, Verse 54:

“So (it will be), and We shall marry them to Houris (female fair ones) with wide, lovely eyes.”
http://www.unn.ac.uk/societies/islam...e/nobae044.htm

Chapter 52. At-Tur, Verse 20:

“They will recline (with ease) on thrones arranged in ranks. And We shall marry them to Houris (female, fair ones) with wide lovely eyes.”
http://www.unn.ac.uk/societies/islam...e/nobae052.htm

Chapter 55. Ar-Rahman, Verse 72:

“Houris[] (beautiful, fair females) restrained in pavilions;”
http://www.unn.ac.uk/societies/islam...e/nobae055.htm

Chapter 56. Al-Waqi'ah, Verse 22:

“And (there will be) Houris (fair females) with wide, lovely eyes (as wives for the pious),”
http://www.unn.ac.uk/societies/islam...e/nobae056.htm


Meaning of Hoor:

Houri also spelled as Hur is plural of Ahwar and Haura . Both signify Female gender in Quranic Context. However in Arabic language the following description can be found in “THE HANS WEHR DICTIONARY OF MODERN WRITTEN ARABIC”:
Houri having eyes with a marked contrast of white and black, (also, said of the eye) intensely white and black. It is used as feminine.


Both Ahwar and Haura are female gender. Regarding Houri note the following quotations of Hadeeth from Saheeh Al-Bukhari:

Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52 (Jihad), Number 53:

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

The Prophet said, "Nobody who dies and finds good from Allah (in the Hereafter) would wish to come back to this world even if he were given the whole world and whatever is in it, except the martyr who, on seeing the superiority of martyrdom, would like to come back to the world and get killed again (in Allah's Cause)."
Narrated Anas: The Prophet said, "A single endeavor (of fighting) in Allah's Cause in the afternoon or in the forenoon is better than all the world and whatever is in it. A place in Paradise as small as the bow or lash of one of you is better than all the world and whatever is in it. And if a houri from Paradise appeared to the people of the earth, she would fill the space between Heaven and the Earth with light and pleasant scent and her head cover is better than the world and whatever is in it."


Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54 (Biginning of creation), Number 476:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "The first batch (of people) who will enter Paradise will be (glittering) like the full moon, and the batch next to them will be (glittering) like the most brilliant star in the sky. Their hearts will be as if the heart of a single man, for they will have neither enmity nor jealousy amongst themselves; everyone will have two wives from the houris, (who will be so beautiful, pure and transparent that) the marrow of the bones of their legs will be seen through the bones and the flesh."


Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 55 (Prophets), Number 544:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "The first group of people who will enter Paradise, will be glittering like the full moon and those who will follow them, will glitter like the most brilliant star in the sky. They will not urinate, relieve nature, spit, or have any nasal secretions. Their combs will be of gold, and their sweat will smell like musk. The aloes-wood will be used in their centers. Their wives will be houris. All of them will look alike and will resemble their father Adam (in statute), sixty cubits tall."

The above is very few among treasure of Sahih Hadeeth on Houri. How much more evidence is needed then that the Adjectives and Pronouns that refer to Houri are always feminine? And which Companion's exegesis, male or female, or which hadeeth of the Prophet Peace be upon him allows us to think otherwise? I am afraid that when one makes such evidence inconclusive, then they might make other evidence of the nature of the life of the hereafter inconclusive also. The very concept of beautiful big and lustrous eyes define the feminine beauty and not masculine. For those who advocate a male Houri, let them bring a single proof from Quran, Sunnah and Hadeeth where Houri are refered to as male. Let’s see if they succeed in bring a single evidence with the adjective and pronoun that refer to a male Houri. Good luck!

Reward for Female in Jannah:

With respect to rewards in the Hereafter and what women have in heaven, a number of Verses and Hadiths explains it as follow:

The following Hadeeth was narrated by at-Tirmizi under No. 3023.

Um Salamah said: "O Messenger of Allah. I did not hear a Verse in the Quran regarding the Hijrah (migration with the Prophet ) of women." Then was revealed the Verse: ("And their Lord has accepted of them, and answered them: Never will I suffer to be lost the work of any of you, be he male or female: ye are members, one of another: those who have left their homes, and were driven out therefrom, and suffered harm in My cause, and fought and were slain – Verily I will blot out from them their inequities, and admit them into gardens with rivers flowing beneath; ... A reward from Allah, and from Allah is the best of rewards."), Verse 195, Surat al-‘Imran

Ibn Kathir (RA) said the Verse ("fastajaba lahum rabbuhum") means Allah (SWT) replied to their queries ... and the Verse ("anni la udi’u ‘amala ‘amilin minkum min thakarin aw untha") is an explanation of the reply meaning that good deeds will not be lost or ignored. All men and women will have the just reward for their deeds. The Verse ("ba’dukum min ba’d") means you will be treated equally with respect to rewards.
(If any do deeds of righteousness, be they male or female, and have faith, they will enter heaven, and not the least injustice will be done to them.), Verse 124, Surat an-Nisa
In explanation of this Verse, Ibn Kathir (RA) said the Verse shows Allah’s kindness, generosity and mercy in accepting the good deeds of all people, men and women, provided that they believe, in allowing them into heaven and in not decreasing rewards for their good deeds no even in the least.
(Whoever works righteousness, man or woman, and has faith, verily, to him will we give a life that is good and pure, and we will bestow on such their reward according to the best of actions.), Verse 97, Surat an-Nahl.

Ibn Kathir (RA) said this is a promise by Allah (RA), the Exalted, to those who do good deeds i.e. deeds acceptable to Allah in which a Muslim follows the rules set in the Book of Allah, the Exalted, and the Sunnah of His Prophet (May peace and blessings be upon him), be they men or women, if they believe in Allah and His Messenger (May peace and blessings be upon him), that He will make them live a good life in this world and will be rewarded in the Hereafter. A good life would include all types of comfort.
(He that makes evil will not be requited but by the like thereof; and he that makes a righteous deed – whether man or woman – And is a believer – Such will enter the garden (of bliss): therein will they have abundance without measure.), Verse 40, Surat al-Mumin.

The following Hadith is narrated by at-Tirmizi under No. 3211, and is in Sahih at-Tirmizi under No. 2565.

Um ‘Umarah al-Ansariyyah said that she went to the Prophet (PBUH) and said to Him: "I feel that everything is for men. Women are not mentioned as having anything. Then was revealed the Verse: (For Muslim men and women, for believing men and women etc), Verse 35, Surat al-Ahzab.

In the collection of Hadiths of Imam Ahmad was narrated the Hadith that Um Salama (May Allah be pleased with her) said: "I said "O Messenger (May peace and blessings be upon him) of Allah. Why aren’t we mentioned in the Quran in an equal footing with men?" Then; I was surprised to hear Him call one day from the pulpit: "O people." As I was combing my hair at the moment, I wrapped it up and came close to the door and stood there listening to Him say: "Allah, Mighty and Sublime be He, revealed that (For Muslim men and women; for believing men and women; for devout men and women, for true men and women; for men and women who are patient and constant; for men and women who humble themselves; for men and women who give in charity; for men and women who fast; for men and women who guard their chastity; and for men and women who engage much in Allah’s remembrance for them has Allah prepared forgiveness

And Allah (SWT) know the best and HU is all knowledgeable.

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Actually Horuis is the Arabic term for white raisins, but has been mistranslated int osomething else. All men in heaven will get 72 raisins.

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Originally posted by Musalman:
Dear brothers and sisters,
Asslamu Alikum

To assert that Houri are gender less is totally baseless. There is no evidence found in Quran, Sunnah and in Saheeh Hadeeth...

Nope. The word Houren is genderless. The ayah in the Holy Quran refers to 'perfect pure partner' & shouldn’t be translated to 'female ones'.

The problem is not that Allah swt will not endow female believer their own pure partner from among the hoors but it is the Muslim Men who CANNOT reconcile & accept this fact.

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Originally posted by JimmyC:
Actually Horuis is the Arabic term for white raisins, but has been mistranslated int osomething else. All men in heaven will get 72 raisins.

much better
that has got to be the ultimate weight loss plan for men!

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PCG,

Only female 'hoors' is a concept of Mullah sahiban, not founded in Islam at all.

Hoor can be considered a soul-mate and as soul has no gender, so the mate will have no gender either. It's spiritual companions promised to those pious souls (male and female) who have spent their physical life on earth with humility and submission to Allah.

Secondly, the 'Junnah' or paradise talked about is also spiritual where the soul has no physical needs, so don't take it as Hunks or Virgins.

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Muslman Sahib,

I couldn't help but notice your brackets of (female, fair ones).

Do you have an arabic dictionary?

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I think women get Ghilmans...

Round about them will serve, (devoted) to them. Youths (handsome) as Pearls well-guarded. (Quran 52:24)

Round about them will (serve) youths of perpetual (freshness). (Quran 56:17)

And round about them will (serve) youths of perpetual (freshness): If thou seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered Pearls. (Quran 76:19)

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best.


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Originally posted by JimmyC:
Actually Horuis is the Arabic term for white raisins, but has been mistranslated int osomething else. All men in heaven will get 72 raisins.

Brenda

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