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    did islam defeat romans?

    one of my freidn was telling me a story about romans.(he was an arab dunno how true this is).he told me the romans fought muslimstwo times the first time they got defeated (the romans) second the muslims lost.i just wanna know if this is true and if someone knows about it so they can clear things up for me plz

    #2
    If am not wrong, then the Syrians, Jordanians etc were all Romans (or atleast under the Roman empire), and they got Arabicized eventually.

    Also, the word Roman is also used for "Europeans".

    Yes, Islam defeated the Romans. But , Insha Allah, even Rome will be conquered by the Muslims, as foretold by the Holy Prophet (S).

    The Holy Prophet (S) had also informed us that we will conquer Constantinople before Rome.

    But, first lets liberate Kabul yaar !!

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    When My servants ask thee concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the prayer of every suppliant when he calleth on Me: Let them also, with a will, Listen to My call, and believe in Me: That they may walk in the right way. (Holy Qur'an 2:186)

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      #3
      [30] Surah Ar-Rum (The Romans)
      Revealed in Makkah


      Alif≠L‚m≠MÓm. [These letters are one of the miracles of the Qur'‚n, and none but All‚h (Alone) knows their meanings]. (Ar-Rum 30:1)

      The Romans have been defeated. (Ar-Rum 30:2)

      In the nearer land (Syria, Iraq, Jordan, and Palestine), and they, after their defeat, will be victorious. (Ar-Rum 30:3)

      Within three to nine years. The decision of the matter, before and after (these events) is only with All‚h, (before the defeat of Romans by the Persians, and after, i.e. the defeat of the Persians by the Romans). And on that Day, the believers (i.e. Muslims) will rejoice (at the victory given by All‚h to the Romans against the Persians), (Ar-Rum 30:4)

      With the help of All‚h, He helps whom He wills, and He is the All≠Mighty, the Most Merciful. (Ar-Rum 30:5)

      (It is) a Promise of All‚h (i.e. All‚h will give victory to the Romans against the Persians), and All‚h fails not in His Promise, but most of men know not. (Ar-Rum 30:6)

      They know only the outside appearance of the life of the world (i.e. the matters of their livelihood, like irrigating or sowing or reaping, etc.), and they are heedless of the Hereafter. (Ar-Rum 30:7)

      Do they not think deeply (in their ownselves) about themselves (how All‚h created them from nothing, and similarly He will resurrect them)? All‚h has created not the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them, except with truth and for an appointed term. And indeed many of mankind deny the Meeting with their Lord. (Ar-Rum 30:8)

      Do they not travel in the land, and see what was the end of those before them? They were superior to them in strength, and they tilled the earth and populated it in greater numbers than these (pagans) have done, and there came to them their Messengers with clear proofs. Surely, All‚h wronged them not, but they used to wrong themselves. (Ar-Rum 30:9)

      Then evil was the end of those who did evil, because they belied the Ay‚t (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, Messengers, etc.) of All‚h and made mock of them. (Ar-Rum 30:10)

      All‚h (Alone) originates the creation, then He will repeat it, then to Him you will be returned. (Ar-Rum 30:11)

      And on the Day when the Hour will be established, the MujrimŻn (disbelievers, sinners, criminals, polytheists, etc.) will be plunged into destruction with deep regrets, sorrows, and despair. (Ar-Rum 30:12)

      No intercessor will they have from those whom they made equal with All‚h (partners i.e. their so≠called associate gods), and they will (themselves) reject and deny their partners. (Ar-Rum 30:13)

      And on the Day when the Hour will be established, that Day shall (all men) be separated (i.e the believers will be separated from the disbelievers). (Ar-Rum 30:14)

      Then as for those who believed (in the Oneness of All‚h Isl‚mic Monotheism) and did righteous good deeds, such shall be honoured and made to enjoy luxurious life (forever) in a Garden of delight (Paradise). (Ar-Rum 30:15)

      And as for those who disbelieved and belied Our Ay‚t (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, All‚h's Messengers, Resurrection, etc.), and the Meeting of the Hereafter, such shall be brought forth to the torment (in the Hell-fire). (Ar-Rum 30:16)

      So glorify All‚h [above all that (evil) they associate with Him (O believers)], when you come up to the evening [i.e. offer the (Maghrib) sunset and ('Ish‚') night prayers], and when you enter the morning [i.e offer the (Fajr) morning prayer]. (Ar-Rum 30:17)

      And His is all the praises and thanks in the heavens and the earth, and (glorify Him) in the afternoon (i.e. offer 'Asr prayer) and when you come up to the time, when the day begins to decline (i.e offer Zuhr prayer). (Ibn 'Abb‚s said: "These are the five compulsory congregational prayers mentioned in the Qur'‚n)." (Ar-Rum 30:18)

      He brings out the living from the dead, and brings out the dead from the living. And He revives the earth after its death. And thus shall you be brought out (resurrected). (Ar-Rum 30:19)


      And among His Signs is this, that He created you (Adam) from dust, and then [Hawwa' (Eve) from Adam's rib, and then his offspring from the semen, and], - behold you are human beings scattered! (Ar-Rum 30:20)

      And among His Signs is this, that He created for you wives from among yourselves, that you may find repose in them, and He has put between you affection and mercy. Verily, in that are indeed signs for a people who reflect. (Ar-Rum 30:21)

      And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. Verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge. (Ar-Rum 30:22)

      And among His Signs is the sleep that you take by night and by day, and your seeking of His Bounty. Verily, in that are indeed signs for a people who listen. (Ar-Rum 30:23)

      And among His Signs is that He shows you the lightning, by way of fear and hope, and He sends down water (rain) from the sky, and therewith revives the earth after its death. Verily, in that are indeed signs for a people who understand. (Ar-Rum 30:24)

      And among His Signs is that the heaven and the earth stand by His Command, then afterwards when He will call you by single call, behold, you will come out from the earth (i.e from your graves for reckoning and recompense). (Ar-Rum 30:25)

      To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and the earth. All are obedient to Him. (Ar-Rum 30:26)

      And He it is Who originates the creation, then will repeat it (after it has been perished), and this is easier for Him. His is the highest description (i.e. none has the right to be worshipped but He, and there is nothing comparable unto Him) in the heavens and in the earth. And He is the All≠Mighty, the All≠Wise. (Ar-Rum 30:27)

      28 He sets forth for you a parable from your ownselves, - Do you have partners among those whom your right hands possess (i.e your slaves) to share as equals in the wealth We have bestowed on you? Whom you fear as you fear each other? Thus do We explain the signs in detail to a people who have sense. (Ar-Rum 30:28)

      29 Nay, but those who do wrong follow their own lusts without knowledge, Then who will guide him whom All‚h has sent astray? And for such there will be no helpers. (Ar-Rum 30:29)

      30 So set you (O Muhammad SAW) your face towards the religion of pure Isl‚mic Monotheism Hanifa (worship none but All‚h Alone) All‚h's Fitrah (i.e. All‚h's Isl‚mic Monotheism), with which He has created mankind. No change let there be in Khalq≠ill‚h (i.e. the Religion of All‚h Isl‚mic Monotheism), that is the straight religion, but most of men know not. [Tafsir At≠TabarÓ, Vol 21, Page 41] (Ar-Rum 30:30)

      31 (Always) Turning in repentance to Him (only), and be afraid and dutiful to Him; and perform As≠Sal‚t (Iq‚mat≠as≠Sal‚t) and be not of Al≠MushrikŻn (the disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah, polytheists, idolaters, etc.). (Ar-Rum 30:31)

      32 Of those who split up their religion (i.e. who left the true Isl‚mic Monotheism), and became sects, [i.e. they invented new things in the religion (Bid'ah), and followed their vain desires], each sect rejoicing in that which is with it. (Ar-Rum 30:32)

      33 And when harm touches men, they cry sincerely only to their Lord (All‚h), turning to Him in repentance, but when He gives them a taste of His Mercy, behold! a party of them associate partners in worship with their Lord. (Ar-Rum 30:33)

      34 So as to be ungrateful for the graces which We have bestowed on them. Then enjoy (your short life); but you will come to know. (Ar-Rum 30:34)

      35 Or have We revealed to them a Scripture, which speaks of that which they have been associating with Him? (Ar-Rum 30:35)

      36 And when We cause mankind to taste of mercy, they rejoice therein, but when some evil afflicts them because of (evil deeds and sins) that their (own) hands have sent forth, lo! They are in despair! (Ar-Rum 30:36)

      37 Do they not see that All‚h enlarges the provision for whom He wills and straitens (it for whom He wills). Verily, in that are indeed signs for a people who believe. (Ar-Rum 30:37)

      38 So give to the kindred his due, and to Al≠MiskÓn (the poor) and to the wayfarer. That is best for those who seek All‚h's Countenance, and it is they who will be successful. (Ar-Rum 30:38)

      39 And that which you give in gift (to others), in order that it may increase (your wealth by expecting to get a better one in return) from other people's property, has no increase with All‚h, but that which you give in Zak‚t seeking All‚h's Countenance then those, they shall have manifold increase. (Ar-Rum 30:39)

      40 All‚h is He Who created you, then provided food for you, then will cause you to die, then (again) He will give you life (on the Day of Resurrection). Is there any of your (so≠called) partners (of All‚h) that do anything of that ? Glory be to Him! And Exalted be He above all that (evil) they associate (with Him). (Ar-Rum 30:40)


      Evil (sins and disobedience of All‚h, etc.) has appeared on land and sea because of what the hands of men have earned (by oppression and evil deeds, etc.), that All‚h may make them taste a part of that which they have done, in order that they may return (by repenting to All‚h, and begging His Pardon). (Ar-Rum 30:41)

      42 Say (O Muhammad SAW): "Travel in the land and see what was the end of those before (you)! Most of them were MushrikŻn (the disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah, polytheists, idolaters, etc.)." (Ar-Rum 30:42)

      43 So set you (O Muhammad SAW) your face to (the obedience of All‚h, your Lord) the straight and right religion (Isl‚mic Monotheism), before there comes from All‚h a Day which none can avert it. On that Day men shall be divided [(in two groups), a group in Paradise and a group in Hell]. (Ar-Rum 30:43)

      44 Whosoever disbelieves will suffer from his disbelief, and whosoever does righteous good deeds (by practising Isl‚mic Monotheism), then such will prepare a good place (in Paradise) for themselves (and will be saved by All‚h from His Torment). (Ar-Rum 30:44)

      45 That He may reward those who believe (in the Oneness of All‚h Isl‚mic Monotheism), and do righteous good deeds, out of His Bounty. Verily, He likes not the disbelievers. (Ar-Rum 30:45)

      46 And among His Signs is this, that He sends the winds as glad tidings, giving you a taste of His Mercy (i.e. rain), and that the ships may sail at His Command, and that you may seek of His Bounty, in order that you may be thankful. (Ar-Rum 30:46)

      47 And indeed We did send Messengers before you (O Muhammad SAW) to their own peoples. They came to them with clear proofs, then, We took vengeance on those who committed crimes (disbelief, setting partners in worship with All‚h, sins, etc.), and (as for) the believers it was incumbent upon Us to help (them). (Ar-Rum 30:47)

      48 All‚h is He Who sends the winds, so they raise clouds, and spread them along the sky as He wills, and then break them into fragments, until you see rain drops come forth from their midst! Then when He has made them fall on whom of His slaves as He will, lo! they rejoice! (Ar-Rum 30:48)

      49 And verily before that (rain), just before it was sent down upon them, they were in despair! (Ar-Rum 30:49)

      50 Look then at the effects (results) of All‚h's Mercy, how He revives the earth after its death. Verily! That (All‚h) Who revived the earth after its death shall indeed raise the dead (on the Day of Resurrection), and He is Able to do all things. (Ar-Rum 30:50)

      51 And if We send a wind [which would spoil the green growth (tilth) brought up by the previous rain], and they see (their tilth) turn yellow, behold, they then after their being glad, would become unthankful (to their Lord All‚h as) disbelievers. (Ar-Rum 30:51)

      52 So verily, you (O Muhammad SAW) cannot make the dead to hear (i.e. the disbelievers, etc.), nor can you make the deaf to hear the call, when they show their backs, turning away. (Ar-Rum 30:52)

      53 And you (O Muhammad SAW) cannot guide the blind from their straying; you can make to hear only those who believe in Our Ay‚t (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.), and have submitted to All‚h in Isl‚m (as Muslims). (Ar-Rum 30:53)

      54 All‚h is He Who created you in (a state of) weakness, then gave you strength after weakness, then after strength gave (you) weakness and grey hair. He creates what He wills. And it is He Who is the All≠Knowing, the All≠Powerful (i.e. Able to do all things). (Ar-Rum 30:54)

      55 And on the Day that the Hour will be established, the MujrimŻn (criminals, disbelievers, polytheists, sinners, etc.) will swear that they stayed not but an hour, thus were they ever deluded [away from the truth (i.e they used to tell lies and take false oaths, and turn away from the truth) in this life of the world)]. (Ar-Rum 30:55)

      56 And those who have been bestowed with knowledge and faith will say: "Indeed you have stayed according to the Decree of All‚h, until the Day of Resurrection, so this is the Day of Resurrection, but you knew not." (Ar-Rum 30:56)

      57 So on that Day no excuse of theirs will avail those who did wrong (by associating partners in worship with All‚h, and by denying the Day of Resurrection), nor will they be allowed (then) to return to seek All‚h's Pleasure (by having Isl‚mic Faith with righteous deeds and by giving up polytheism, sins and crimes with repentance). (Ar-Rum 30:57)

      58 And indeed We have set forth for mankind, in this Qur'‚n every kind of parable. But if you (O Muhammad SAW) bring to them any sign or proof, (as an evidence for the truth of your Prophethood), the disbelievers are sure to say (to the believers): "You follow nothing but falsehood, and magic." (Ar-Rum 30:58)

      59 Thus does All‚h seal up the hearts of those who know not [the proofs and evidence of the Oneness of All‚h i.e. those who try not to understand true facts that which you (Muhammad SAW) have brought to them]. (Ar-Rum 30:59)

      60 So be patient (O Muhammad SAW). Verily, the Promise of All‚h is true, and let not those who have no certainty of faith, discourage you from conveying All‚h's Message (which you are obliged to convey). (Ar-Rum 30:60)


      Brother hope this might help.
      Allahu Alim




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      'Rabbee zidnee`ilmaa'
      My Lord! Increase me in knowledge.[20:114]

      The Prophet (sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) said:
      "Whoever sets out on a path to seek knowledge, Allaah will make easy his path to Paradise."
      [Saheeh Muslim]

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        #4
        I think the roman empire was long gone by the time of The prophet. All that was left was the eastern empire of Byzantium. The turm were the ones who took that and turned it into Istanbul.

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          #5
          I know of one incident, the Battle of Mutah.

          There were 3000 approx muslims versus 200,000 romans.

          The army of muslims had been ordered by Rasool(saw) to go and fight, and so they did as they were told.

          The muslims were clearly outnumbered, but they didnt admit defeat, they retreated to a mountainous area known as Mutah.

          The romans found it difficult to attack the muslims there due to the terrain, and sent there soldiers in small skirmishes.

          When some muslims died Khalid Ibn Waleed took over and pulled an excellent military manouvre. He split his 3000 or men into smaller chunks and told them to go and attack the romans from the sides and behind.

          The romans thought that the muslims had managed to gain reinforcements and that now there were more than 3000 muslims.

          So they withdrew from the battle.

          Although the muslims did not win the battle, they gained much public opinion amongst the roman empire and other arab lands

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            #6
            read the new best seller by MJ. Akbar
            "Shades of Swords"
            to know all about crusade jihad the muslim power in india and modern day jihad.

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              #7
              thank you everyone specially aap ki ammanath thank you very much for your effore jazzak alla.
              khooneshaheed dont worry kabul will be liberated too just sit back and watch.

              thanx aadnan ahmed and eemo and kabir too .

              [This message has been edited by fakeer (edited May 25, 2002).]

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                #8
                What in the world are you people talking about? The Romans were gone way before Islam was born in Arabia... Are we talking about the Eastern Emprie of Byzantium?

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Adnan Ahmed:
                  What in the world are you people talking about? The Romans were gone way before Islam was born in Arabia... Are we talking about the Eastern Emprie of Byzantium?
                  The Roman Empire had transferred its capital to Constantinople in Byzantium, and then lost its western European provinces.

                  Hence the Byzantine Empire was the last vestige of the Roman empire - and hence there is nothing inaccurate about the Quran's reference to the Byzantines as Romans.
                  Muslims are so good at dividing that they can divide the atom. If you see two Muslims, probably they belong to 3 parties.
                  Al-Ghazali

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Adnan Ahmed:
                    What in the world are you people talking about? The Romans were gone way before Islam was born in Arabia... Are we talking about the Eastern Emprie of Byzantium?
                    adnan ahmed have u ever heard of sura rome in quran

                    rome and persia had war with each other and muslim sympathies were with roman as being people of the book at that time.

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                      #11
                      The Persians were Zoroastrian i believe. They believe in one God.. So would they be considered as people of the book aswell?

                      [This message has been edited by Adnan Ahmed (edited May 26, 2002).]

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                        #12
                        Oh ok, I Gotcha, were talking about the roman eastern emopire.. Didn't know the koran mentioned them as Roman... Thanks

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Adnan Ahmed:
                          The Persians were Zoroastrian i believe. They believe in one God.. So would they be considered as people of the book aswell?

                          The Fire God you mean ??

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Khoon-e-Shaheed:

                            The Fire God you mean ??

                            I think they believe that the fire is like the purest manifestation of God or his powers. I dont think they believe the fire is literally god.

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