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    RAM another aspect (not for the feebleminded)


    according to hindu scholars ram was bornn in the era TARETAYUG
    accordinng to hindus there are 4 eras
    1)sutyug
    2)taretayug
    3)dawapareg
    4)kulyug(started fromnoahs flood time period and is continuing)

    everyperiod is of millions of years ie the last peiod is the only period which refers to origin of life on earth
    but ram is of the era before that ,meaning before life on earth ,that would put ramin the spirit world

    in vedas the word ram is used only once and referred to as the guru of the three worlds
    the prophet has three names ahmed ,mohammed and mahmood in accordance with his rutba
    according to vedas
    agni is the everliving spirit without body(ahmed),wen he takes formof thebody he is asur(who comes in the very end that is mohammad) and wen he enlightens the whole universe he is matareshwa(spiritual that is mahmood)


    and again in vedas
    agni was born first in heaven as light(noor?) secondly in the world among men as one who knew evrything(ummi?) and third as jal(jal means spirituality)


    plus ram is not limited to hindu religion.it is found evrywhere whereever there are aryan race.

    ayodhya is made from( a) and (yudh)

    a means no
    yudh means war
    ayodhya is the place where war is not allowed
    in arabic the term for that place is dar us salam and bait ul haram
    that is MAKKAH

    seeta was associated with ram
    in sanskirat seeta means rajas personal land
    in quran makkah is referred to as mother of cities
    and in bible makkah is referred to as a woman


    seeta means the first line drawn in the land
    first place to be founded on earth is KABA

    ramayan (the story)
    ramhas been explained
    ayan means home
    ie HOME OF RAM


    hanuman means one who destroys evil
    after seeta was kidnapped hanuman helped her
    ie kaba would be rescued from the unbelievers

    hindus r the only ones who have lost their prophet in their myths and distorted their teachings.could the myths be foretold news by their prophet which r distorted in the present form as myths.afterall the coming of holy prophet was annnounced in all religions.


    #2
    doctornaveed, Words fail me!!!

    Since according to this post, Hindus lost their teachings, what do you sugget Hindus do?

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      #3
      you are freaked out Andhra, arent you?????///


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        #4
        Originally posted by Andhra:
        doctornaveed, Words fail me!!!

        Since according to this post, Hindus lost their teachings, what do you sugget Hindus do?
        what do u think?

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        May Allah SWT guide us all towards right and help us follow the right

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          #5
          hindus r the only ones who have lost their prophet in their myths and distorted their teachings. could the myths be foretold news by their prophet which r distorted in the present form as myths. afterall the coming of holy prophet was announced in all religions
          Ibrahim says: Greetings of Peace to one and all

          Absolutely, once you dig into Brahma and where he lived you will end up in Makkah ! which means all the beliefs, that their gods lived in India becomes baloney

          Let look at Ram for instance ,

          The word Ram is a popular occurrence in the Bible, there was Abram, Aram ,Hiram, Joram, Jehoram, Huram and it can go on and on………… and guess what where would ram live except it Ram Allah? Maybe Hindus should be shipped to Ramallah in th west bank


          But jokes aside, Ram was the son of Hezron, according to the Bible

          Ruth 4:

          8. This, then, is the family line of Perez: Perez was the father of Hezron,

          19. Hezron the father of Ram, Ram the father of Amminadab,

          20. Amminadab the father of Nahshon, Nahshon the father of Salmon,

          21. Salmon the father of Boaz, Boaz the father of Obed,

          22. Obed the father of Jesse, and Jesse the father of David.


          Besides you only need to ask a hindu why he is having a dot on his head, to identify the correlation between them and the Bible


          Ibrahim says; Greetings of Peace to one and all

          Dear All,

          From ancient times mankind had gone to great lengths to put "MARKS" on their forehead, face, hands, and body. And for sure these marks gave an identity to them and had much significance at that time frame. It basically established the identity of a certain group of individuals be it based on tribe or religion.

          These "identifying marks" did serve a purpose and they must have originated from certain believes that those tribes had practiced in the past. Some believe it may ward off evil whilst other may believe it was sacred.
          Immaterial of what the belief, man had gone to lengths to ensure that these marks had been placed on their person and If we ask the current generation concerning the significance of those marks, most will not be able to give us a logical answer for it..
          The most popular of these marks are adorned by the hindus and they believe it had sacred significance . Tracing this significance in hindu scriptures is an awesome task , since hindu scriptures can be voluminous and many sacred texts are not available to the public at large even now.

          Anyway the next best or more accurate scripture other than the hindus scriptures, that can provide evidence for these "marks" that man had become fond of adorning on themselves, will be the Bible. Since the bible is some what a correction of the hindu scripture it can actually reveal why the hindus are adorning them.

          The most revealing chapter in the Bible concerning marks on the forehead is recorded in Ezekiel.

          Let us read:

          Ezekiel 9:

          3. Now the glory of the God of Israel went up from above the cherubim, where it had been, and moved to the threshold of the temple. Then the LORD called to the man clothed in linen who had the writing kit at his side

          4. and said to him, "Go throughout the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it."


          Ibrahim comments: (meaning only the pious who were opposing the evil were to be given marks on their forehead )

          5. As I listened, he said to the others, Follow him through the city and kill, without showing pity or compassion. Slaughter old men, young men and maidens, women and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark . Begin at my sanctuary." So they began with the elders who were in front of the temple.

          Ibrahim says; Hence according to this passage the marks on the foreheads was ordained by God , basically distinguishing the believers from the unbelievers. Those that had it were amongst the pious in that land and and were saved from the slaughter.

          A further confirmation for the marks on the forehead are revealed in

          Exodus 9. 13 This observance will be for you like a sign on your hand and a reminder on your forehead that the law of the LORD is to be on your lips . For the LORD brought you out of Egypt with his mighty hand.
          Repeated Again in…

          Exodus 13:16. And it will be like a sign on your hand and a symbol on your forehead that the LORD brought us out of Egypt with his mighty hand ."

          Ibrahim says; But Jews who hold this scripture ( torah) sacred do not use any marks on their foreheads like hindus have been doing. Basically Jews interpret the above according to the following passage.

          Duet 6 :

          6. These commandments that I give you today are to be upon your hearts.

          7. Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up.

          8. Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads .

          Ibrahim says; hence the Jews actually tie strips of sacred texts around their hands and also use a phylactery…. according to the dictionary

          Phylactery means:-

          1 : either of two small square leather boxes containing slips inscribed with scriptural passages and traditionally worn on the left arm and on the head by Jewish men during morning weekday prayers

          2 : AMULET

          ©1997, 1996 Zane Publishing, Inc. All rights reserved.

          Hence the only people we know that apply marks ( bindi/tilak/dot) on their foreheads are hindus and the first passage that I quoted above, tells us why some people would have ended up wearing the marks on their foreheads.

          Let us go down the line to see how the Christians understand this, actually they do not practice any from of markings on their person except to wear a cross (and that too not all ) But their teachings indeed conveys that "BELIEVERS" will have marks on their foreheads and ONLY they will be saved in the end.

          Let us read:-

          Rev 7:3 "Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God."

          4: Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.

          Ibrahim says; Now this from the book of revelations which is supposed to be prophesy , hence if it materializes as the Christians hope it will, only 144,000 will have this marks on their head on the other hand, If it had already taken place only 144,000 were TRUE pious believers and the rest were not and they will be killed or had been killed already.

          Any way lets see the significance of the marks on the forehead …. Lets read…

          Rev 9:4. They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads.

          Ibrahim says: So It is very CLEAR That the marks actually distinguished the believer from the unbeliever. Further confirmation that this event had actually taken place , can be understood from …

          Revelation 14 :1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads .

          Ibrahim says: Hence all these verses reveals to use that marks on the forehead was indeed an identity for the pious only and NOT for everyone who claimed they belong to a certain faith. On the other hand anybody can put a mark on their forehead and that would not in anyway distinguish a believer from an unbeliever would it?? So the question arises, who will responsible to put the marks on the believers forehead?

          Lets us try to understand the TRUTH behind this by looking at the Qur'an which is the correction for the Bible , just like the Bible is the correction for the Veda.

          Let us read:-

          Soorah 48:

          28 It is He who has sent His Apostle with Guidance and the Religion of Truth to proclaim it over all religion :and enough is Allah for a Witness.

          29 Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers (but) compassionate amongst each other. Thou wilt see them bow and prostrate themselves (in prayer) seeking Grace from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure. On their faces are their marks (being) the traces of their prostration. This is their similitude in the Torah ; and their similitude in the Gospel is: like a seed which sends forth its blade then makes it strong; it then becomes thick and it stands on its own stem (filling) the sowers with wonder and delight. As a result it fills the Unbelievers with rage at him. Allah has promised those among them who believe and do righteous deeds Forgiveness and a great Reward.

          Ibrahim says: Now it is VERY clear as to how one can get the " marks" on their forehead Not by placing it yourself like our hindu brethren have become accustomed to, but it will appear naturally for those who had bowed to the will of God. Meaning ONLY those that prostrate to God, will have marks on their foreheads not everyone who claims they believe in God but ONLY those submitting to him by way of prostration that all the prophets and messengers had practiced including Christ.

          Hence the marks on the forehead is a "natural" identity that will be given to believers who prostrate and humble themselves to Allah/God only.

          Hence the mystery of the dot has been resolved, so now you know it too : )

          Devoted to truth
          Ibrahim


          Who ever dares to teach MUST be prepared to learn too .

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            #6
            Originally posted by Andhra:
            doctornaveed, Words fail me!!!

            Since according to this post, Hindus lost their teachings, what do you sugget Hindus do?
            u made my day with ur joke dear brahman.
            ill tell uone thing though--as soon as the religious scriptures are made public and people make a comparative study of them and quran there will be a mass conversion of hindus in hindustan

            one good joke deserves another

            SUBSTITUTE TEACHER: Are you chewing gum?
            BILLY: No, I'm Billy Anderson.


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              #7
              >>as soon as the religious scriptures are made public and people make a comparative study of them and quran there will be a mass conversion of hindus in hindustan<<<

              Why don't you make them public Naveed Sahib?

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                #8
                Originally posted by Andhra:
                >>as soon as the religious scriptures are made public and people make a comparative study of them and quran there will be a mass conversion of hindus in hindustan<<<

                Why don't you make them public Naveed Sahib?
                maybe i will

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