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    Why cant Palestinians lead a non-violent movement?

    Gandhi has been an inspirtation to the world. His tactics have worked, ad will always work. Anyone who has read thoroughly Ganhis philosophy will be convinced that it is the only logical way of winning freedom. Gandhi said that his movement is one that never fails. Because even if it leads to death, its a victory. It is also not cowardice either. Gandhis movement required courage of the highest calabor. We know the Palestinians aren't cowards any way. Gandhis philosophy of non-violent resistance, is completely in line with Islamic beliefs. If anyone feels otherwise, read the 'Non-violent soldier of Islam" by Eknath Eswaran.
    He tells us about Abdul Ghafar Khan who was the most feared Pathan by the british, despite the fact that never lifted a weapon against them. Read about his Khudai Khitmitgar movement, and the sacrafices they made. The Palestinians should follow in the steps of Gandhi. They have a just cause, but their methods cant be justified. But if they suddenly just walked straight into jerusulem, in one long human chain, and protested peacfuly, had hunger strikes, made the world understand their pain, they will definintly have a homeland. Many of them will die in a non-violent movement, perhaps more then those who die during the violent movement. But they will then die as true martyrs, this is a sacrafice they have to make. They will die with respect, not only from the world, but even from the jews, zionist and non-zionist alike.

    #2
    Well Said Adnan,
    I often think that Gandhi's method is the best form of protest against the Israeli occupation.
    The whole western world will raise up against Israel if they use force against the peaceful demonstrators. There is no way that they can shed blood of peaceful palestinians. Violent methods may not achieve success, if your enemy is strong. Also, inspite of Israel's violent reaction against the palestinians, Governments continue their unabashed support for Israel, because they claim that Palestinians are terrorising people.
    Even today Gandhi is highly respected through out the world for his ideals and they continue to hold good for these troubled times and May be that is the only path remaining. But, we need a person of Gandhi's character and determination, True palestinians are Brave, but do they believe in Non-Violence ???

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      #3
      They dont know the power of non-violence. This is because they are raised to believe in this Jihad, and the glory of Martrydom, without actually defining either of the two. What they need is a leader. I recomend you read the book I mentioned up there, concerning Abdul Ghafar Khan. He turned some of the most violent people of the Indian subcontinent, into role models for Gandhis Satygarha. These are people who's custom of honor can lead to feuds that last for generations. These were the same people who the British simply could not control. And yet Gandhi used them as role models. They british humiliated these people, they hated te Pathans more then anyone, and they made it a point to express their dislike. They particularly hated Ghafar Khan, because as Khan said, "They fear a non-violent Pathan more then a violent one." Palestinians will realize this, if and only if a Palestinian Gandhi takes charge and leads them into the battle, armed with nothing but the force of their spirit.

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        #4
        Well! The Quran suopports USE of FORCE against those who "have diven one out of their lands" and the palestinians use this verse to justify violence - in the name of Allah!

        Of Course, al-Qaeda & Osama used the quran & sunnah to justify their own violence against the West in the name of Allah as well!

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          #5
          Gandhi was up against oppression from those who at least liked to imagine they were civilised - incidents like the Amritsar massacre were exceptions rather than the rule. The British always recognised the right of the Indians to live on Indian soil - they had no intention of displacing Indians.

          Gandhian non-violence cannot and will not work for the Palestinians because they are facing a different kind of adversary - one to whom the human rights of the Palestinians are a nuisance rather than something to be respected in the name of civilisation. The Zionists do not recognise the right of Palestinians to live in most of Palestine. Non violence against such a foe does nothing but provide an invitation to be taken advantage of.

          The Palestinians' situation is very different from those face by colonial India. Different tactics are required.
          Muslims are so good at dividing that they can divide the atom. If you see two Muslims, probably they belong to 3 parties.
          Al-Ghazali

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            #6
            Wasnt it non violent for a fairly long period? People fail to give them credit for hanging on to false peace hopes for a long period of time.

            From '67 till 82, they led a peaceful resistance, which is highlighted by the 60 or so UN Security Council Resolutions that were passed during that time in their favor. It was Israel that chose to take advantage of that placidity by invading Lebanon in '82. That is what resulted in the first intefada.
            That was followed by the '94 Oslo accords, after which Palestinians again stopped their resistance in hopes that the international community would step up in applying pressure on Israel to withdraw from Palestine and give the refugees their due. However, nothing came of the accords for 6 long years, when Sharon decided he was good enough to step in Haram Al Sharif. And naturally, that resulted in the second intefada.

            So you cannot say that the Palestinians have not given peace a chance.

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              #7
              I disagree, suicide bombings have gotten them nothing. Non violence will get them support from the world. However, If every Palestinian rose up one day and walked into Jerusalem and demanded their rights, the right to live on their land, then the world would listen and so would the jews. The middle east would be at a stand still. Many Palestinians will die, but they will die with dignity and respect. The world will view the Palestinians as heros, rather then terrorists. They will condemn Israel if it does not recognize their right to exist on their own land. Israel needs the worlds suppot to exist. With the entire world backing the Palestinians, suddenly the Zionists will have the rug pulled from under them. Its a fact that just recently the EU considering sanctions against Israel. No one would support Israeli action against nonviolent movements. Gandhis Philosophy is Universal, it applies to the world, to individuals, to households, everyone. His philosophy is even present in the Koran. The Prophet sustained a lot of abuse and yet he preached the idea "Subur" or tolerance to his people. He only fought when he had absolutely no choice left, had he not fought, Islam would have died in the world. But he too only fought till he could safe guard Islam, and then he did not fight, nor did he even take his revenge against his enemies, all of whom he forgave. Physical Jihad is necessary when there are no options left. However, in the case of the Palestinians, they do have many options which they do not use. Suicide bombings do not work, this is a situation in which they have to fight in a peacful non-violent Jihad.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Akif:
                Wasnt it non violent for a fairly long period? People fail to give them credit for hanging on to false peace hopes for a long period of time.

                From '67 till 82, they led a peaceful resistance, which is highlighted by the 60 or so UN Security Council Resolutions that were passed during that time in their favor. It was Israel that chose to take advantage of that placidity by invading Lebanon in '82. That is what resulted in the first intefada.
                That was followed by the '94 Oslo accords, after which Palestinians again stopped their resistance in hopes that the international community would step up in applying pressure on Israel to withdraw from Palestine and give the refugees their due. However, nothing came of the accords for 6 long years, when Sharon decided he was good enough to step in Haram Al Sharif. And naturally, that resulted in the second intefada.

                So you cannot say that the Palestinians have not given peace a chance.
                The present situation is ideal, the world recognizes their right to exist and almost no govt accepts the settlements. They need to make themselves heard and heard loudly. The best they can do is to protest, and to protest in such a way that gets the attention of the world. Many many people are against Zionism, even the many jews. But most feel that the suicide bombings are completely unjustified. The Plestinians have to go ALL OUT, they have to fight a non-violent battle. If the Jews begin Killing them, then it is all the better for their cause. Palestinians are killing themselves already, better to die in a way that can be jusified.
                All we ask people, is that they give Gandhis Satygarha a try.

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                  #9
                  Akif, what happened at the Munich Olympics (that falls between 67 and 82)? There were more terrorist acts committed by the PLO against the Israelis during the 70s than all other terrorist acts in the world combined (attacking Israeli citizen in as far flung places as Mexico and Chile). Actually, even the Muslim countries (notably Syria and Jordan) while trying to suppress the PLO violent and bloody tactics ended up killing more Palestinians than Israel has up to date. It all happened between 67 and 82.

                  The only way Palestinian will come to see their own state is through negotiations. Israel is not a country that one can bully with.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Adnan Ahmed:
                    Gandhi has been an inspirtation to the world. His tactics have worked, ad will always work. Anyone who has read thoroughly Ganhis philosophy will be convinced that it is the only logical way of winning freedom. Gandhi said that his movement is one that never fails. Because even if it leads to death, its a victory. It is also not cowardice either. Gandhis movement required courage of the highest calabor. We know the Palestinians aren't cowards any way. Gandhis philosophy of non-violent resistance, is completely in line with Islamic beliefs. If anyone feels otherwise, read the 'Non-violent soldier of Islam" by Eknath Eswaran.
                    He tells us about Abdul Ghafar Khan who was the most feared Pathan by the british, despite the fact that never lifted a weapon against them. Read about his Khudai Khitmitgar movement, and the sacrafices they made. The Palestinians should follow in the steps of Gandhi. They have a just cause, but their methods cant be justified. But if they suddenly just walked straight into jerusulem, in one long human chain, and protested peacfuly, had hunger strikes, made the world understand their pain, they will definintly have a homeland. Many of them will die in a non-violent movement, perhaps more then those who die during the violent movement. But they will then die as true martyrs, this is a sacrafice they have to make. They will die with respect, not only from the world, but even from the jews, zionist and non-zionist alike.
                    dude Ghandi failed... sepration "pakistan" "bangladesh" ... "fighting" "kashmir"...
                    is that peace or wht..

                    And as far as Palestinians are concerned.. "NO justice No peace!"
                    "I know peace is parta plan, there can never realy be justice on stolen land"


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