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    Dear Administrator.

    I would request the administrators to review the current state of our religious forums here on GupShup. Personally for me, it is very tiring to see a bunch of Hindus with nothing better to do barging into every other thread- More often than not one of our fellow muslims obliges and tries to explain to them- and ends up creating the same scenario present in every other thread.

    Should there not be a rule against this? I have personally not been able to carry on a discussion on very general topics started for the benefit of us muslims. And then these members have started hitting below the belt- comments regarding our respect regarding women- regarding our God- and our Prophet(PBUH)- making a mockery out of it with a bunch of lousy smilies. Here is one such comment:
    Posted by rvikz

    dont include me i respect women regardless
    what they wear.
    I am very tempted to flail back at this person but I realize you guys are the law-enforcers here, and not me.

    Is there anything I can do to help? I will send a copy of this email to the Moderator's email address as well, and if required I will definitely be sure to inform you when a member makes a racist or degrading comment- or if s/he turns one of my threads upside down with no constructive discussion whatsoever.

    Jazaka'llah Khairun, it would be great to be able to debate constructively on this forum.

    -W'salam
    -Ace

    #2
    salamz,
    i certainly agree.

    ------------------
    Hum Ko To Ghum Hi Mila Hay Hur Khushi Kay Bhays Mayn

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      #3
      yeaha, I agree with you.

      The reason why I started to coming on pak.org was that I thought these are decent fourms to hang out. But it is changing.... you read all kinda trash here.

      for example this is what devil 123 wrote in the thread "why did hindu God to", and no administartor edited it.


      "Secret obsession...you post reflects how much **** minded you are....for a **** minded person **** thoughts always come in first even if the sight involves their own mother or sister...so it depends on what kind of person you are......that explains the need of hijab in your culture to protect womens from **** minded persons..."

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        #4
        u said it man.just today i mentioned it in andhras post

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          #5


          [This message has been edited by Zaalim (edited March 23, 2002).]

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            #6
            but people are crossing the limits, they are cursing, calling the names and are giving offencive comments. shouldn't it stop?????//

            [This message has been edited by secret_obsession (edited March 23, 2002).]

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              #7
              Originally posted by secret_obsession:
              yeaha, I agree with you.

              The reason why I started to coming on pak.org was that I thought these are decent fourms to hang out. But it is changing.... you read all kinda trash here.

              for example this is what devil 123 wrote in the thread "why did hindu God to", and no administartor edited it.


              "Secret obsession...you post reflects how much **** minded you are....for a **** minded person **** thoughts always come in first even if the sight involves their own mother or sister...so it depends on what kind of person you are......that explains the need of hijab in your culture to protect womens from **** minded persons..."

              Mr Secret obsession this was your post to which i had replied

              quote:
              --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
              Originally posted by secret_obsession:
              no I ain't got much time to particpate in such long discussions ]. I am a full time student , I work as well. So instead of wasteing my time on relpying I just say whatever comes to my mind (just kidding) and I am respectfull to all people , I didn't say anything unrespectfull. Isn't that how hindu gods are like, atleast thats how their statues are, shirtless, advocating pornography...
              --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

              so if you post crap,you will receive crap...i never quoted any such crap reg islam....i just presented a picture of your state of mind...
              one who respects his own religion doesn't disrespect others....but i think you are not that kind of person and in a way you are disrespecting islam...

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                #8
                Devil 123;

                DId i say something wrong?? or did I curse anything???
                I just said what you idols look like, I respect them but thats how I have seen your idols.

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                  #9
                  Should there not be a rule against this?

                  Ibrahim says : salaams to all


                  Dear Brother Ace,

                  Jazak Allahu Khair for your thoughts, having said that let me tell you how I started studying Hinduism.

                  Due to intolerable attacks and abuse made by hindus in Muslim email groups, news groups and public forums, It became necessary to learn their faith and observe their psyche, and after many years of research and observation of these sick individuals .

                  This is what I have concluded.

                  1) These people are paid or are organized goons specifically targeting Muslim groups and forums. They can sit whole day on the computer and spam many groups and respond to any thing and everything at ease. From admitted connections, some of these people are actually financed by Jews.


                  2) They will not desist no matter how much your approach them in kindness or hatred.


                  3) They will return to square one very time you corner them, it is as if they have LOST their conscience and it is more an employment , that they are fulfilling.


                  4) their employers can by any of the opposing faiths and due to the anonymity of their handles , it could even by a non hindu at the other side. (here it is vital to track their IPís and keep folders on their activities for maybe one day when there is sufficient laws to go after these people it can be used against them and if you successfully make a few of them pay for their actions, the number of rascals involved in this may be reduced)


                  5) No matter ho many times you block their IP , they will come back using a different IP or handle and abuse you.


                  6) They will even hack your web sites or use technology to re-direct or block your sites or start sending you virus if they know your email accounts.


                  As such there are only a few alternatives in such matters.


                  1) you can totally ignore such posters , which in this medium is not very wise since, anyone in any age group can be reading, posting or monitoring the forum or email group, and IF you fail to respond, it means

                  a) you accept it
                  b) you have no answer for it

                  which to the knowledgeable is a wise action, but for the ignorant, it may misguide them .

                  thus depending on the kind of abuse and the kind of questions raised one should respond appropriately, is the policy I adopt. Like in the case of rviks or even anand, I normally do not respond at all, since he/she is more like a whisperer, who will spit something in-between posts or try to recycle the same point over and over again which when you respond to, can have NO reply or a reply which may claim, he/she was only testing you or it is a joke or you should not take it seriously .

                  2)in the second option, you take it to the limits, never stop, turn the table on them, the same way they are doing . This method will mean you have to practically waste a lot of time and make a lot of effort and eventually it will come to the showdown, where the culprit will start turning RED and start cursing you . This does not mean he/she will quit but realize he/she cannot get very far, before getting slammed on the wall and have their brains splattered.


                  Either way , it can be disgusting and many may feel discomfort in witnessing them which is fundamentally the reason for their presence in the first place.


                  On the other hand we need to learn, and going through this doldrums and cycles of abuse by the hindus, we may be able to train more individuals to respond and also see the need to research into other faiths so that we can quote their own works to expose their follies .

                  Mind you, the hinduUnity web site is the most notorious anti Islamic forum the hindus maintained and when they first started, they had three forums on it, one which talks about their own problems and how to abuse mulsims another which attacked Islam + Christianity and another maintaining archives on every kind of hate material that is against Islam.

                  After setting up this they went out to challenge the Muslims in their forum , to their surprise, within a week of discussions in their forum , they where so overwhelmed by just three Muslims and one dalit , they locked that forum for one month and after which they removed it completely, in addition they blocked out and deleted any post that was against their faith in their own hindu forums.

                  They had no option, since we started quoting their scriptures for which they were unable to respond or deny, they had to close it down period. After which they set up Muslim forum where only a hindu can post, eventually, that too got closed down because of complaints made to ezboard, since it violated ez board forum rules.

                  One thing must be Clear, when you enter this realm, you are going to get the vilest, most filthiest languages and conduct. So it is not going to be easy for sane people to handle.

                  These days they are busy setting up anti Islamic hate web sites and believe it or not, from their own postings, it is obvious they were partaking in the recent Gujarat violence directly in addition to financing them . So this is not just a cyber threat but a real physical one, which Muslims must take note for their own well being .

                  Muslims are advised to Learn from these exchanges and are also advised to copy all information and use them as and when required.

                  Second Muslims are advised to monitor them, they are harmful to society and MUST be monitored.


                  Was salaam
                  Ibrahim

                  5: 104 When it is said to them: "Come to what Allah hath revealed; come to the Apostle": they say: "Enough for us are the ways we found our fathers following." What! even though their fathers were void of knowledge and guidance?

                  105 O ye who believe! guard your own souls: if ye follow (right) guidance no hurt can come to you from those who stray. The goal of you all is to Allah: it is He that will show you the truth of all that ye do.

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                    #10
                    somwhow islam is equated with pakistan
                    and india is equated with hindu forgetting
                    immense diversity of southasia.

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                      #11
                      WHO EDITED MY POST IN THIS THREAD??????????????? IT SAYS EDITED BY SECRET_OBSESSION . WHILE I DIDN'IS IT DONE BY A MODREATOR OR SOME EVIL?????????

                      I HAVE FELT THAT SOME OF MY POSTS ARE BEING EDITET AND SOME TIMES ONE WORD OR TWO CHANGE THE WHOLE MEANING.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Ibrahim:

                        Ibrahim says : salaams to all


                        Dear Brother Ace,

                        Jazak Allahu Khair for your thoughts, having said that let me tell you how I started studying Hinduism.

                        Due to intolerable attacks and abuse made by hindus in Muslim email groups, news groups and public forums, It became necessary to learn their faith and observe their psyche, and after many years of research and observation of these sick individuals .

                        This is what I have concluded.

                        1) These people are paid or are organized goons specifically targeting Muslim groups and forums. They can sit whole day on the computer and spam many groups and respond to any thing and everything at ease. From admitted connections, some of these people are actually financed by Jews.


                        2) They will not desist no matter how much your approach them in kindness or hatred.


                        3) They will return to square one very time you corner them, it is as if they have LOST their conscience and it is more an employment , that they are fulfilling.


                        4) their employers can by any of the opposing faiths and due to the anonymity of their handles , it could even by a non hindu at the other side. (here it is vital to track their IPís and keep folders on their activities for maybe one day when there is sufficient laws to go after these people it can be used against them and if you successfully make a few of them pay for their actions, the number of rascals involved in this may be reduced)


                        5) No matter ho many times you block their IP , they will come back using a different IP or handle and abuse you.


                        6) They will even hack your web sites or use technology to re-direct or block your sites or start sending you virus if they know your email accounts.


                        As such there are only a few alternatives in such matters.


                        1) you can totally ignore such posters , which in this medium is not very wise since, anyone in any age group can be reading, posting or monitoring the forum or email group, and IF you fail to respond, it means

                        a) you accept it
                        b) you have no answer for it

                        which to the knowledgeable is a wise action, but for the ignorant, it may misguide them .

                        thus depending on the kind of abuse and the kind of questions raised one should respond appropriately, is the policy I adopt. Like in the case of rviks or even anand, I normally do not respond at all, since he/she is more like a whisperer, who will spit something in-between posts or try to recycle the same point over and over again which when you respond to, can have NO reply or a reply which may claim, he/she was only testing you or it is a joke or you should not take it seriously .

                        2)in the second option, you take it to the limits, never stop, turn the table on them, the same way they are doing . This method will mean you have to practically waste a lot of time and make a lot of effort and eventually it will come to the showdown, where the culprit will start turning RED and start cursing you . This does not mean he/she will quit but realize he/she cannot get very far, before getting slammed on the wall and have their brains splattered.


                        Either way , it can be disgusting and many may feel discomfort in witnessing them which is fundamentally the reason for their presence in the first place.


                        On the other hand we need to learn, and going through this doldrums and cycles of abuse by the hindus, we may be able to train more individuals to respond and also see the need to research into other faiths so that we can quote their own works to expose their follies .

                        Mind you, the hinduUnity web site is the most notorious anti Islamic forum the hindus maintained and when they first started, they had three forums on it, one which talks about their own problems and how to abuse mulsims another which attacked Islam + Christianity and another maintaining archives on every kind of hate material that is against Islam.

                        After setting up this they went out to challenge the Muslims in their forum , to their surprise, within a week of discussions in their forum , they where so overwhelmed by just three Muslims and one dalit , they locked that forum for one month and after which they removed it completely, in addition they blocked out and deleted any post that was against their faith in their own hindu forums.

                        They had no option, since we started quoting their scriptures for which they were unable to respond or deny, they had to close it down period. After which they set up Muslim forum where only a hindu can post, eventually, that too got closed down because of complaints made to ezboard, since it violated ez board forum rules.

                        One thing must be Clear, when you enter this realm, you are going to get the vilest, most filthiest languages and conduct. So it is not going to be easy for sane people to handle.

                        These days they are busy setting up anti Islamic hate web sites and believe it or not, from their own postings, it is obvious they were partaking in the recent Gujarat violence directly in addition to financing them . So this is not just a cyber threat but a real physical one, which Muslims must take note for their own well being .

                        Muslims are advised to Learn from these exchanges and are also advised to copy all information and use them as and when required.

                        Second Muslims are advised to monitor them, they are harmful to society and MUST be monitored.


                        Was salaam
                        Ibrahim

                        5: 104 When it is said to them: "Come to what Allah hath revealed; come to the Apostle": they say: "Enough for us are the ways we found our fathers following." What! even though their fathers were void of knowledge and guidance?

                        105 O ye who believe! guard your own souls: if ye follow (right) guidance no hurt can come to you from those who stray. The goal of you all is to Allah: it is He that will show you the truth of all that ye do.
                        thanks for sharing all that
                        I am glad that somebody is here to fight them back.. i don't have that much time asmuch they do.

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                          #13
                          ibrahim the whole issue is india and pakistan
                          do pakistanis fight with nepalis ?
                          pakistanis and chineseget along despite
                          religious differences.


                          [This message has been edited by rvikz (edited March 23, 2002).]

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                            #14
                            i agree fully with you guys

                            [This message has been edited by ammarr (edited March 23, 2002).]

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                              #15
                              rvikz,
                              If thats your mentality- I must assure you that you're the one who's brain-washed. It clearly shows the depth of your thinking if you slander and curse just because of a Pakistan-India dispute. Pathetic.

                              Ibrahim,
                              Brother- even considering everything you said- I am not willing to stop my process of learning on this board. I am sure the administration is strong enough to remove these pathetic posters. I have been a silent reader for too long- and its only lately that these hindus have started flooding. Hey- one might even think they're obsessed with their inferiority complex to spend so much time on a religion which they truly detest!

                              Anyhow, lets see how the administration responds.

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