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    family planning contrdicts religen?

    high population density of bangaldesh
    and high birthrate in pakistan means more mouths to feed
    environmental degradation, economic deprivation . does religen play any role
    in high birth rate in pakistan ?

    yes.. when u have set an alarm to wakeup for the morning prayer and then you change your mind and roll over your spouse to try and shut it off.. things happen.

    There is No Spoon
    JaddoN kaddya jaloos ghareeba tay shehr ich choatalee lug gayee



      i have to say it does.. but it should not.. there is concept of family planning in Islam but not in the same way as current concept of family planning go.

      There is guidance that you should not have kids if you cannot provide for them.. well the actual wording is that if it is going to risk the health of the wife.. and having babies every year will most definitely do that.. not just that .. that of your child as well..

      so in such situations the common practice/ advice was to "pull out" before climax.

      In bangladesh the government and the religious order actually agreed that family planning was required and have some programmes in place.

      as for pakistan.. the population increase is on the avg 2.5-3.1 percent ..

      In the future .. the countries with more manpower would be a bigger economic power..

      for two reasons -
      1) more labour force = cheaper goods
      2) more people to buy stuff.

      the western economied would sorta collapse due to aged population and not enough young people putting money into the economy.


        Originally posted by blackzero:
        as for pakistan.. the population increase is on the avg 2.5-3.1 percent ..
        It is actually 2.6% in 2000 and is expected to decrease to 2.3% by 2010.

        In the future .. the countries with more manpower would be a bigger economic power..

        for two reasons -
        1) more labour force = cheaper goods
        2) more people to buy stuff.
        It is not as simple as that! Their no scientific correlation to economic prosperity and population.

        In fact traces of opposite is found true.

        the western economied would sorta collapse due to aged population and not enough young people putting money into the economy.
        Keep in mind, today's young are tommorrow's old!


        I am not completely discarding your theory, but there are many indicators that the Pakistani population growth rate, at this point of time, is affecting Pakistan in the wrong way.

        Pakistan GDP growth rate: Around 4% (Estimated)
        Population growth rate: 2.6% (Estimated)
        Inflation: 4.1% (Estimated)

        This translates to Per-capita growth rate of: - 2.7% (Negative 2.7%)

        For people to get out of poverty in PPP terms, the sum of inflation and population growth rate should be lower than the economic growth rate.
        [*] Please take any report, created by anybody, the number of Pakistanis under the poverty line have seen a steady increase since 1989.

        Based on IMF report on Pakistan Report number: 01/011/73 and 01/58 poverty ratios are:

        1989 - 19%
        1991 - 23%
        1994 - 25%
        1997 - 37%
        1999 - 44%
        2001 - 49% (Estimated)

        There is a positive corelation between population growth and economic size, if you take into account only countires that are similar in all other terms.

        However, even among these countries, per capita product and growth show a significant negative corelation!


          Here we need common sense to understand that larger family means more misery. Poverty-illiteracy-more population are a vicious circle. Any one can rise up in economic circle, once they are out of the vicious circle.
          The concept of having more children was good in olden days when the survival rate of children was less. But, with the latest advances in Medicine, we need to change the outlook towards family. Unless the population is controlled, there is no way that the country can prosper.



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              JaddoN kaddya jaloos ghareeba tay shehr ich choatalee lug gayee


                Hi all:

                There is an interesting relationship between Muslims of South Asia and population growth.

                Even in India, with a current population growth rate of 1.6% (Estimated), the birth rate of Muslims is estimated at 2.3%. (source: Census India, 2001)

                Is there any religious reason for it? Does Islam discourage planned parenthood or family planning? Orthodox christians say, Christianity discourages family planning. What about Islam?


                  hey.. kumarkn.. i already posted that there is no direct link with Islam and large families.. though there is an interpretation which they use for it..

                  just read the first part of my post above..

                  the fact most people use is "allah has said do not worry for your children shall be provided for".. but they do not realise that this was said to prevent people from killing their children after they were born.. not prevent it from happening to begin with.

                  having babies every year (or two or three) has serious impact on the health of the wife.. and is discouraged.. more babies.. less healthy wife... and also cases of post natal depression.


                    Does Islam discourage planned parenthood or family planning? Orthodox christians say, Christianity discourages family planning. What about Islam?

                    Ibrahim says : Greetings of peace to one and all

                    There is always a misconception that Muslims do not practice family planning and those bent on abusing Islam will be quick to point the finger at Muslim demographics .

                    The general Idea of this misconception is due to demographic warfare and also due to ignorance of the fact that the Prophet (pbuh) himself practiced family planning

                    The under mentioned article should give better details on what Islam allows and what Mulsims should avoid in such matters.


                    Every child comes with a message that God is still not yet discouraged of man's arrogance and ignorance

                    Reproductive Issues


                    Islam permits contraception as long as it does not entail the radical separation between marriage and its reproductive function. Since the time of the prophet contraception has been practiced, but he made it clear that it should be a joint decision between husband and wife. The general recommendation is for the Islamic nation to procreate and grow in numbers, but quality and not sheer numbers was well emphasized by Mohammad. One of his very prophetic sayings was:

                    "There will come the day when other nations will fall upon you like hungry eaters upon a bowl of food." When asked whether this would be due to lack of numbers he said "No. On that day you will be so many, but (quality wise) like the froth on the surface of the torrent."

                    Throughout Islamic history jurists permitted family planning for a number of reasons: health, socio-economics, etc. up to merely preserving the beauty of the woman's body. Both natural and medicinal methods of contraception are acceptable, provided the method is not harmful and does not work as an abortifacient. Family planning should be the choice of the individual family without coercion or pressure. Countries that adopt a population policy may resort to wide campaigns of education to ensure the
                    accessibility of contraceptive technology, but the decision rests with the family.

                    Reservations about population programs designed by Western countries for the Third World were referred to earlier. There is a consciousness about a "demographic warfare" to strip populations of their sheer power of numbers or to reduce majorities to minorities in some areas. There is also alarm about contraceptive material banned from use in their (Western) countries of origin while at the same time they are abundantly exported to Islamic and Third World countries, compromising on safety standards. More investment in developing resources and a willingness to transfer necessary technology on part of the West remains to be seen.

                    Breast Feeding

                    This has a prominent place in Islamic teaching. As a family planning method it is not a reliable prescription for the individual family; but it has been estimated on a group (collective) basis to be a more potent contraceptive than all other methods put together, measured by the drop in fertility rate in a community of suckling women. The Quran mentions breast feeding and recommends that its natural course is the span of two years.

                    In Islam, however, breast feeding is more than a nutritional (or family planning) process. It is a "value" and a special bond, so much so that a woman other than the natural mother who breast feeds an infant acquires a special status in Islamic law which is called "suckling parenthood", and this woman is called the infant's "mother in lactation". To accentuate its value, "lactation motherhood" is given the status of natural motherhood in certain legal rulings concerning marriage. The result is that such a mother's natural children are considered "lactation siblings" of the nursed infant, who therefore may not marry any of them.

                    The Intra-uterine Device

                    If the device acted to cause abortion it would not be acceptable. Its action, however, was explained on the basis of preventing implantation. The current generations of the device contain a copper wire that releases spermicidal copper ions, or include the hormone progesterone that thickens the mucus in the canal of the womb so it cannot be penetrated by sperm. Both actions put the device in the category of contraception and not abortion. This was confirmed by a release from the World Health Organization


                    There are no "pro-life" and "pro-choice" lobbies in Islamic communities, with a raging battle such as takes place in America. Islam views abortion very differently from contraception, since the former entails the violation of a human life. The question that naturally arises is whether the term "human life" includes the life of the fetus in the womb. According to Islamic jurisprudence it does. Islam accords the fetus the status of "incomplete zimma". Zimma is the legal regard that allows rights and duties, and that of the fetus is incomplete in the sense that it has rights but owes no duties . Some of these rights of the fetus are:

                    (a) If a husband dies while his wife is pregnant, the law of inheritance recognizes the fetus as an inheritor if borne alive. Other inheritors would receive their shares in accordance with the prescribed juridical proportions, but only after the share of the unborn is set aside to await its birth.

                    (b) If a fetus is miscarried at any stage of pregnancy and shows signs of life such as a cough or movement and then it dies, such fetus has the right to inherit anything it was legally entitled to inherit from anyone who died after the beginning of the pregnancy. After this fetus dies, what it has inherited is inherited in turns by its legal heirs.

                    (c) If a woman commits a crime punishable by death and is proven pregnant, then the execution of the punishment shall be postponed until she gives birth and nurses her baby until it is weaned. This applies irrespective of the duration of the pregnancy, however early, denoting the right of the fetus to life from its beginning. It applies even if the pregnancy was illegitimate, which shows that the fetus conceived out of wedlock also has the right to life. All sects and juridical schools unanimously uphold this ruling.

                    There is also a money penalty for abortion even if it was inadvertent. This is called the "ghorra". If aggression or willful action causes abortion, suitable punishment by the court is also imposed.

                    The question of the beginning of life has been discussed since early times, since the admissibility of abortion hinged around the existence of life (some old jurists permitted abortion before four months, others before seven weeks, of pregnancy, on the assumption that life had not started in the pregnancy.) Some ten centuries ago, a notable scholar called Al-Ghazali rightly described a phase of imperceptible life, before the phase that the mother could feel in the form of fetal quickening. Recent juridical congresses reviewed the subject taking into account the applications of modern technology, and concluded that the stage of an individual's life that can be called its beginning should satisfy ALL the following criteria:

                    (1) it should be a clear and well-defined event;
                    (2) it should exhibit the cardinal feature of life: growth;
                    (3) if this growth is not interrupted, it will naturally lead up to the subsequent stages of life as we know them;
                    (4) it contains the genetic pattern that is characteristic of the human race at large, and also of a unique specific individual; and
                    (5) it is not preceded by any other phase which combines the first four. Obviously, these postulates refer to fertilization.

                    Abortion, however, is permitted if the continuation of pregnancy poses a threat on the mother. The Shari'a considers the mother to be the root and the fetus to be the offshoot; the latter to be sacrificed if this is necessary to save the former. There are some arguments also in favor of expanding the admissibility of abortion to cover drastic cases of congenital anomalies and fetal illness incompatible with feasible life if performed before pregnancy is four months.


                    Unless done for a clear medical indication this operation is generally frowned upon. It is permitted, however, for women with a reasonable number of children and who are approaching the end of their reproductive life. Voluntary and informed consent should be given by both the husband and wife, giving no promises of a guaranteed successful reversal of the operation if they later change their mind. No government policy should pressure people into undergoing sterilization. The doctor has the right to decline performing the operation if not convinced that it is in the best interests of the patient.



                      nice response..