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    ANDHRA wat do u think-part 2....the controversy and....

    "He (GOD) has counted the NUMBERS of all things"
    No one is compelled to accept the truth, but it is certainly a shame upon the human intellect when a man is not even interested in finding out what the truth is!

    THE ULTIMATE MIRACLE
    This miracle had an interesting history...
    In the latter half of the twentieth century, Rashad Khalifa, an Egyptian Ph.D. Chemist on the roster of scientists with UNIDO, Vienna, turned towards the Message, and like millions of other followers, began studying its interpretation by various experts. Dissatisfied by the exegesis available, he decided to translate and interpret the Message himself...
    As he began his work, he came upon the famous mystic alphabets prefixed to several chapters of Message...
    A.L.M. [3:1]
    God! There is no God but He, - the Living, the Self-Subsisting, Eternal.[3:2]
    The alphabets intrigued him. No one seemed to know their meaning or significance. Whatever records or traditions he searched, he met a dead end, although the companions of Messenger had preserved each and every trivial detail pertaining to him, in the traditions. In comparison to this exhaustive data, the shroud of mystery wrapping these alphabets was bizarre. On an impulse, Rashad Khalifa decided to see whether or not any mathematical correlation existed in the text of Message.
    Using a time share terminal through phone lines, he entered the Message into a giant computer and began analyzing the data...
    The results staggered him. The computer data from the very beginning started revealing an overwhelmingly intricate super-human structure hidden in the Message. The deeper he dwelled into this phenomenon the more complex it became. The structure seemed to pervade everywhere, mathematically coding its chapters, verses, words, number of certain alphabets, number of words from the same root, number and variety of divine names, unique spelling of certain words, absence or alteration of certain alphabets within certain words and many other elements besides its content, all on a 19 based system....
    This formidable structure emerging out of a fourteen centuries old text was indubitably the first genuine miracle of modern age. A miracle that anyone, anywhere, in the world could witness with the help of the computer.
    Fourteen hundred years ago, when the Message was revealed, the numerals as we know them today were not in existence. The alphabets themselves doubled as numerals and this value was known as gemmatrical value of alphabets. All alphabets of the ancient languages Arabic, Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic etc., had their numerical values…
    Five pillars of religion:
    The particular emphasis of Message on certain instructions termed them five pillar of religion. These were:
    i. Acceptance of the unity of Creator;
    ii. Praying to the Creator five times a day;
    iii.Fasting from dawn to sunset in the month of Ramadhan;
    iv. Giving of alms by those who could afford;
    v. Pilgrimage to Mecca, by those who could afford it.

    The mathematical code had already confirmed both the words related to first commandment `One’ and `alone’. Regarding these other essentials, prayer, fasting, charity and pilgrimage, 19-based mathematical relationships emerged.

    Commandment Occurs Chapter+Verses
    Salat (Prayer) 67 times 4674 = 19x246
    Seyam (Fasting) 6 times 1387 = 19x 73
    Zakat (Alms) 32 times‡ 2395
    Hajj (Pilgrimage) 9 times ‡ 645 = 3040 = 19x160
    ____ ______
    Total 114= 19x6 9101 = 19x479
    The figures for Zakat and Hajj only became multiple of 19, when they could be added up together. As charity and pilgrimage was not obligatory on every follower of Message, this pattern conformed the special position of these two duties.

    THE ANOMALY:
    The first violation of this mathematical code occurred when Rashad Khalifa tried to find, how many times the four constituent words Ism, Allah, Rahman and Rahim, of the opening statement, had occurred in the rest of the text.
    1. `Ism’ was found to occur 19 times in the Message.
    2. `Al-Rahman’ 57 times or 19x3.
    BUT, when he tried to count the all important word `Allah’ in the text, the sum came to be equal to 2699, a number that was not a multiple of 19...
    And this was not all. There were other parameters too which when taken into account, did not conform to the mathematical structure.
    By this time other men and women had also joined Rashad Khalifa in his quest. Many of them were brilliant computer analyst. Slowly and gradually, after hundreds of hours of patient mathematical detective work on a giant computer, they isolated two verses of chapter 9, verses 128 and 129, that were causing the main problem. As soon as they removed these verses, the 19-based mathematical structure emerged in the entire text, awesome in its complexity, intricacy and majesty; and was as follows:
    As the two verses 9:128-129 were kept aside, the total count of word `God’ dropped from 2699 to 2698 [=19x142], a figure that was a multiple of 19.
    . Adding the number of all verses, wherever the word `God’ was found, the total came to 118123 or 19x6217. If in this calculation, the word God of 9:129 was also taken into account, the phenomenon would have disappeared.
    Adding the frequencies of the word `God’ in each chapter, from the beginning of the text to the end of chapter 9, the total occurrence came to 1273 or 19x67. If the word, `God’ of verse 9:129 had been included the total would have become 1274, not a multiple of 19.
    Another computer analyst with Rashad Khalifa, sister Lisa Spray, discovered that occurrence of word `God’ from the first Initialled chapter [chapter 2] to the last initialled chapter [chapter 68] without a break in continuity, totalled 2641, or 19x139, if the last verse of chapter 9 [9:129] was not taken into account.
    . In the text, the initialed chapters were 29 and initialed chapters were 85, making a total of 114 chapters. Out of these 85 uninitialled chapters, 57 [19x3] chapters contained the word `God’. The total number of verses of these chapters where the word `God’ was present added up to 1045, or 19x55, only if verse 9:129 was excluded, although chapter 9 was an uninitialled chapter.
    As chapter 9 was an uninitialled one and the problem lay with its last two verses, a study was carried out, for all the last verses of all the uninitialled chapters that contained the word `God’. From this study it was found;
    Sum of serial nos. + Sum of chapter nos. + Sum of last verses with the word `God’ + Sum of these last verses’ numbers; added up to a multiple of nineteen:
    In this calculation the verse 127 of chapter 9 that contained the word `God’ had been included. If instead of 127, the 9:129 would have been taken into account, the total would have gone up to 4904, a figure that was not a multiple of 19.
    Another important word that occurred in verses 9:128-129 was the word `Elah’, which meant `god’. The total occurrence of this word in the entire text was 96 if these verses were included, if not then the count dropped to 95 [19x5], a multiple of 19.
    The word `Rub’ which meant The One who Nourishes to Perfection’ was also found in these verses. The total occurrence of this important word in the entire text after excluding these verses came to 969 or 19x51.
    The famous reference book `Index to the words of Quran’ listed the word “Rasool”- meaning messenger - 116 times. One of these words existed in 9:128 and another one in 12:50, where it referred to `messenger of Pharaoh’ not to the `messenger of God’. Thus, on exclusion of these two “Rasool” words, the total occurrence of “Rasool” (Messenger) of God came to 114 or 19x6, a figure that was equal to the number of chapters and to the opening statement.
    Another important word that occurred in these verses was Raheem meaning Merciful. Barring 9:128, where the word had been referred to Messenger, at all other places, the Message had consistently used it as a name of God. Its total count too, came to 114 or 19x6, if verse 9:128 was excluded.
    . The QURAN’S INDEX listed 22 occurrences of the word “Arsh” meaning `throne’. One of this “Arsh” was in 9:129, one other was in 12:100 where it referred to `Throne of Joseph’ and another one referred to Arsh of the Queen of Sheba in 27:23. On exclusion of all these three “Arsh”, the net count for the word “Arsh” of God came to 19.
    Historical records and traditions of the prophet had already corroborated that every element of Message - its puzzling order, its recitation, its choice of words, its peculiar misspellings at some places, the inexplicable lengths of its each individual verses, their division into 114 chapters and their names, all had been dictated by the Messenger himself...
    And it was a tribute to the monumental effort of collectors of these traditions that barring a nominal disagreement in the length of verses, none of the other elements of Message had any controversy attached to them, among all sects of the followers, all over the world...
    The minor controversy regarding the length of verses was unimportant as far as the content of Message was concerned. It had only an academic value in ascertaining the numerical tally of verses. It was probably for this reason that the experts did not try hard to arrive at a general consensus on this matter...But even this problem resolved itself when the miracle isolated and confirmed the numerical divisions of Message, popular with the majority of followers of Message. And here, when purely numerical relationships between chapter numbers and verse numbers were studied, the most clear indication that the two verses 9:128,129 lay outside the periphery of mathematical structure came...
    When the number of verses in each chapter, plus the sumof verse numbers were added cumulatively, the figure came to 339644 or 19x17876, only if 9:128,129 were excluded. This phenomenon confirmed the authenticity of every verse of the Message.
    Carrying out the same calculation once again but for only the 85 uninitialled chapters, which included chapter 9, the cumulative total they got was 156066 or 19x8214. This result also depended upon the fact that verses 128 and 129 of chapter 9 were excluded from this summation
    Counting all the digits [1 through 9] in all the verse numbers of all the 85 uninitialled chapters, but excluding the 9:128 and 129, the total came to 27075 or 19x19x75.
    Adding the digits of every chapter number [10=1, 11=2,..17=8 etc.] produced a total equal to 975 for entire Message. And adding the digits of the total number of verses of all chapter [chapter 4 contained a total of 176 verses, sum of its digits= 1+7+6=14] produced a total of 906. Both these totals added up to 975+906=1881 or 19x99
    This phenomenon would have disappeared if 9:128-129 had taken into account.
    As chapter 9 was odd numbered and number of its verses too was odd, a study was carried out to look at all the odd number of chapters whose number of verses was also odd. In the entire Message 27 such chapters were found: 1, 9, 11, 13, 15, 17, 25, 27, 29, 33, 35, 39, 43, 45, 57, 63, 81, 87, 91, 93, 97, 101, 103, 105, 107, 111 and 113. They consisted of 7, 127, 123, 43, 99, 111, 77, 93, 69, 73, 45, 75, 89, 37, 29, 11, 29, 19, 15, 11, 5, 11, 3, 5, 7, 5, and 5 verses respectively.
    The total sum of these chapter numbers and the sum of the verse numbers was found to be 2774 = 19x146. If instead of 127, figure 129 had taken into account, this phenomenon would have disappeared.
    127 being a prime number, Rashad Khalifa looked at all the chapters with number of verses constituting a prime number. Such chapters were 1, 9, 13, 33, 43, 45, 57, 63, 81, 87, 93, 97, 101, 103, 105, 107, 111, and 113. The number of verses in these chapters were 7, 127, 43, 73, 89, 37, 29, 11, 29, 19, 11, 5, 11, 3, 5, 7, 5, and 5, respectively. When the individual digits of these chapters were added they produced a sum 137, while the digits of the verses added up to 129. The resulting grand total was (137+129)=266 or 19x14.
    There were only two single digit chapters, Chapter 9 and chapter 5, in the Message that contained the digits 1 and 2 in their number of verses. Chapter 5 had 120 verses and chapter 9 had 129 but mathematical structure drew a line at 127.
    The total number of verses of these chapters 120+127=247 or 19x13.
    Same calculation with the figure 129 .. 120+129=249
    . In the Message there were 30 chapters whose number of verses began with the digit “1” . They were 4, 5, 6, 9, 10, 11, 12, 16, 17, 18, 20, 21, 23, 37, 49, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 82, 86, 87, 91, 93, 96, 100, and 101.
    Their number of verses were 176, 120, 165, 127, 109, 123, 111, 128, 111, 110, 135, 112, 118, 182, 18, 13, 14, 11, 11, 18, 12, 12, 19, 17, 19, 15, 11, 19, 11, and 11, respectively.
    The sum of verse numbers (1+2+3+..+n) for all these 30 chapters was found to be 126122 or 19x6638, provided the chapter 9 ended at 127 verses. But if the chapter ended at 129, then the grand total would have become =126122 + 128 + 129 = 126379, not a multiple of 19.
    Besides 9, there were only three other chapters, whose number digits added up to 9 and the digits of verse numbers added up to 10. These chapters were 45, 54 and 72 and they consisted of 37, 55 and 28 verses respectively.
    The total number of verses of these three chapters came to 120. A figure, whose digit added to (1+2+0)=3 = No of chapters. Moreover 120 + 127 = 247 or 19x13. Replacing 129 in place of 127 would have excluded the chapter 9 from this calculation.
    Excluding chapter 9, 13 other chapters had such number of verses that ended with the digit 9
    Without Chapter 9, the total of verses in these chapters = 627 or 19x33
    Adding chapter no. + number of verses + sum of verse numbers gave a Grand Total =23655 or 19x1245
    If in the same calculation, only odd numbered chapters were taken into account, as chapter 9 was odd numbered; the total of chapter number and number of verses of these chapters came to = 646 or 19x34
    It was needless to say that if chapter 9 was considered to end at 129 instead of 127 verses, this chapter too would have come into the table causing the phenomenon to disappear.
    To prove the contention that chapters 9 consisted of 127 verses, Rashad Khalifa also looked at all those chapters whose verse numbers ended with the digit 7. Interestingly 7 such chapters were found. Their total of chapter numbers and verse numbers also came to be 798 or 19x42.
    Looking at the last two verses of every chapter of the Message and counting only those verses that contained the digit 7, the total came to 38, or 19x2. This figure was arrived at only when the chapter 9 was taken to consist of 127, and not 129.
    Taking the last two verses of every chapter of Message and adding their digits, the total came to 1824 or 19x96, only if the last two verses of chapter 9 were taken as 126,127 and not 128,129.
    As number of verses of chapter 9 contained 3 digits, these researchers looked at all chapters with number of verses in 3 digits. Such chapters were 2:286; 3:200; 4:176; 5:120; 6:165; 7:206; 10:109; 11:123; 12:111; 16:128; 17:111; 18:110; 20:135; 21:112; 23:118; 26:227; 37:182 and 9:127 or 129.
    Taking out the last digit from each such numbers [with 9:127] and adding them together. The exercise produced a total = 6+0+6+0+5+6+7+9+3+1+8+1+0+5+2+8+7+2 = 76 = 19x4
    From the same list when only the odd numbered verse numbers were taken into account, such as; 6:165; 10:109; 11:123; 12:111; 17:111; 20:135; 26:227; and 9:127 or 129 - The sum of their last digits [with 9:127] produced a total = 5+7+9+3+1+1+5+7= 38 or 19x2.
    . Reducing this list further, when only odd numbered chapters with odd numbered, three digit verses [11:123; 17:111 and 9:127 or 129] were taken into account, the sum of the verses [with 9:127] of these 3 chapters, came to be = 127+123+111 = 361 or 19x19.
    . Counting the individual digits of the verses of these three chapters, the resulting total was = 1+2+7+1+2+3+1+1+1=19.
    Replacing figure 129 in place of 127 would have caused this phenomenon to disappear.
    Counting again the individual digits of the chapter numbers only for these three chapters, the resulting total was = 9+1+1+1+7=19.
    Rashad Khalifa claimed that if chapter 9 was considered to contain 129 verses instead of 127, then it would become an odd numbered chapter; with an odd numbered, three digit verses’ number that could also be divided by 3.
    In the entire Message, there were only two other chapters that possessed these specifications; chapter 11:123 and chapter 17:111. The sum of digits for both these chapter numbers (1+1+1+7=10) as well as their number of verses (1+2+3+1+1+1=9) came to be (10+9=) 19.
    . But if chapter 9 was considered to consist of 127 verses, then it would become an odd numbered chapter, divisible by 3 & 9; whose verses’ number was also odd, and ended with the digit 7. In the entire Message there was only one other chapter that possessed these specifications: the chapter 45:37.
    Adding the digits of chapter 9 produced (9+1+2+7)= 19; and of chapter 45 = (4+5+3+7)= 19.
    . If chapter 9 was considered to contain 129 verses, then apart from this chapter, only one other chapter of the Message had its chapter number starting with 9 and verse numbers ending with 9: chapter 96 with 19 verses.
    When they added the chapter numbers (9+96=105); the number of verses (129+19=148); and the sum of their verse #’s (8385+190=8575), the resulting figure was (105+148+8575=) 8828, not a multiple of 19. But when the number 129 was replaced by 127, the resultant figure (105+146+8318=) 8569 or 19x451 became a multiple of 19.
    With 129 verses in chapter 9, the sum of its digits came to (9+1+2+9=) 21. Only seven other chapters: 7, 25, 27, 37, 68, 94, and 97 had the same sum of digits.
    When these researchers added the chapter numbers, the number of verses in each chapter and the sum of verse numbers, the grand total 34744 was not found to be a multiple of 19. But replacing verse 129 with 127 changed this figure to 34485 or 19x1815.
    One of Rashad Khalifa's associate, Abdullah Arik, wrote down a computer programme, through which it became possible to deal in very large numbers. Applying this programme to Message, several numbers emerged that encompassed thousands of digits, conforming to the `19' code and verifying the Quranic structure ....
    When chapter number 9 was written followed by the number of its verses 127 and then number of all verses of this chapter in a straight line..the resulting long number was found to be a multiple of 19.
    (CHAPTER NO.)(TOTAL OF VERSES)(SERIAL NO. OF VERSES OF ENTIRE CHAPT.)
    9,127,1234567891011....125126127.
    . Again when total of verses in a chapter was written followed by serial number of all its verse; e.g., Chapter 1, which had 7 verses was written down as 7,1234567. And then in a similar manner, Chapter 2, which had 286 verses was added to this figure...7,1234567,286,12345...,284,285,286. Then chapter 3 with 200 verses, chapter 4 with 176 verses...extending the figure...till it reached the last chapter 114 with 6 verses.
    (TOTAL OF VERSES OF CHAPT.1)(SERIAL NO. OF VERSES OF CHAPT.1)(TOTAL OF VERSES OF CHAPT.2)(SERIAL NO. OF VERSES OF CHAPT.2).....(TOTAL OF VERSES OF CHAPT.114)(SERIAL NO. OF VERSES OF CHAPT.114)
    In this way a very long number was achieved which consisted of 12692 digits.
    (7,1234567,286,1234..286,200,123....200,....,5,123 45,6,123456)
    The computer found out that not only this total of digits 12692 (19x668) was a multiple of 19 but the long figure itself was also a multiple of 19.
    . On writing the numbers with a slightly changed order, i.e. writing chapter number after the serial numbers of verses, and followed by the total number of numbered verses in the entire Message (6234), again resulted in a long figure (12696 digits) that was also a multiple of 19.
    (SERIAL NO. OF VERSES OF CHAPT.1)(TOTAL OF VERSES OF CHAPT.1)(SERIAL NO. OF VERSES OF CHAPT.2)(TOTAL OF VERSES OF CHAPT.2)...(SERIAL NO. OF VERSES OF CHAPT.114)(TOTAL OF VERSES OF CHAPT.114)(TOTAL NUMBERED VERSES OF MESSAGE)
    (1234567,7,12345...285286,286,....,123456,6,6234.)
    110. Another order containing the serial numbers of every verse, followed by the chapter number, and then the total count of verses in the chapter, produced a long number that was also a multiple of 19.
    (SERIAL NO. OF VERSES OF CHAPT.)(CHAPT. NO.)(TOTAL OF VERSES OF CHAPT.).....
    (1234567,1,7,12345...286,2,286,....,123456,114,6)
    Changing the order again and putting the total count of verses of each chapter first, followed by the serial number of every verse, and then the chapter number, produced a number that was 12930 digits long and a multiple of 19.
    (TOTAL OF VERSES OF CHAPT.)(SERIAL NO. OF VERSES OF CHAPT.)(CHAPT. NO.).....
    (7,1234567,1,286,1234...286,2,...,6,123456,114,623 4)[10] <http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywo...imate.html>
    . When number of every verse in every chapter was written followed by the sum of serial numbers of verses in that chapter, the resulting number, 12836 digit long, was found to be a multiple of 19.
    (SERIAL NO. OF VERSES OF CHAPT.)(SUM TOTAL OF SERIAL NUMBERS OF VERSES IN THE CHAPT.).....
    (1234567,28,12345...286,41041,....,123456,21)
    Remarkably, an interchange of positions also produced a number, 12836 digit long, that was a multiple of 19.
    (SUM TOTAL OF SERIAL NUMBERS OF VERSES IN THE CHAPT.)(SERIAL NO. OF VERSES OF CHAPT.).....
    (28,1234567,41041,1234...285286,.....,21,123456)
    Reversing the order of chapters in the above calculation, i.e. starting from the last chapter and ending with the first chapter also produced a number, that was a multiple of 19. (123456,21,....,12345..286,41041,1234567,28)
    . Writing down the Grand sum of serial number of verses 333410, then total number of numbered verses of Message (6234), then total of chapters (114), followed by the chapter numbers and its total of verse numbers, produced a figure that was 474 digit long and divisible by 19.
    (GRAND SUM OF SERIAL NUMBER OF VERSES)(TOTAL NUMBER OF NUMBERED VERSES)(TOTAL OF CHAPTERS)((CHAPT. NO)(TOTAL OF VERSE NUMBERS)....)(333410,6234,114,1,7,2,286,3,200,..., 113,5,114,6)
    In the above calculation, reversing the sequence of chapter numbers and total of verses in the chapters only, also gave a long number that was a multiple of 19.
    (Grand sum of serial number of verses)(Total number of numbered verses)(Total of chapters)((Total of verse numbers)(Chapt. No)....) (333410,6234,114,7,1,286,2,200,3,...,5,113,6,114)
    The sum of serial numbers of verses for every chapter of the Message [Chapter 1- (28), chapter 2 - (41041)], when written next to each other, followed by the Grand sum of verse numbers (333410), produced a number that was 377 digits long and was a multiple of 19.
    (SUM OF SERIAL NUMBERS OF VERSES OF EACH CHAPT.....)(GRAND SUM OF SERIAL NUMBERS OF ALL VERSES) (28,41041,20100,........,15,21,333410)
    . The total number of chapters, followed by the total number of numbered verses, then the number of every chapter and its sum of verse numbers, produced a number that was 612 digit long and was a multiple of 19.
    (TOTAL NUMBER OF CHAPTERS)(TOTAL OF NUMBERED VERSES)((CHAPTER NO.)(SUM OF VERSE NUMBERS)....) (114,6234,1,28,2,41041,3,20100,....,113,15,114,21)
    . Writing down in order the total number of chapters, the total number of verses, the Grand sum of verse numbers, followed by the numbers of every chapter and serial number of its verses, the 12712 digit long number, was also found to be a multiple of 19. (114,6234,333410,1,1234567,....,114,123456)
    . Writing down the total number of verses first, followed by the number of verses of every chapter and then closing the figure again with the total number of verses produced a 235 digit long number that was a multiple of 19.
    (TOTAL OF NUMBERED VERSES)((TOTAL OF VERSES OF CHAPTERS)....)
    (6234,7,286,200,176,.....,127,.......,5,4,5,6,6234 )
    . Writing down in order the total number of numbered verses (6234), the total number of chapters, the number of every verse in the Message, and then closing the figure again with total number of verses and the number of chapters, the resulting 12479 digit long number was also found to be a multiple of 19.
    (6234,114,1234567,12345...286,....,123456,6234,114 )
    Another long number that consisted of 12774 digits, was formed by writing down the number of every verse in every chapter, followed by the number of every chapter added to its number of verses. This digit too was found to be a multiple of 19.
    (1234567,8,12345...286,288,........,123456,120)
    The calculations were too many...strange relationships in numbers, alphabets and phrases of the Message emerged, always bringing the same proof - “the entire Message was coded mathematically on a base 19 and two verses did not form the part of its structure.”
    The mystery deepened to still more bizarre shades when it was realised that the figure ‘19’ was not a random choice. An enigmatic reference to it existed in the chapter 74 of Message all along these intervening centuries.. regarding a man, who refused to believe in the divine origin of Message:
    Then said he: “This is nothing but magic, derived from of old; ...24
    This is nothing but the word of a mortal!” ...25
    Soon will I cast him into Hell Fire! ...26
    And what will explain to thee what Hell Fire is? ...27
    Naught doth it permit to endure, and nought doth it leave alone! ...28
    Darkening and changing the colour of man! ...29
    Over it are nineteen. ...30
    And We have set none but angels as guardians of fire; and We have fixed their number only as a trial for Unbelievers, in order that the People of the Book may arrive at certainty, and the Believers may increase in faith, and that no doubts may be left for the People of the Book and the Believers. And that those in whose hearts is a disease and the Unbelievers may say, “What symbol doth God intend by this?” Thus doth God leave to stray whom He pleaseth, and guide whom He pleaseth: and none can know the sources of thy Lord, except He. And this is no other than a warning to mankind. ...31
    Various exegist had tried to forward their conjectures regarding the use of this enigmatic figure `19’ at this place. Nineteen faculties, nineteen major articles of faith, details of angels and gates of hell etc., all were suggested but none could answer satisfactorily the poser “What symbol doth God intend by this?”...

    STRANGE RESPONSE OF INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY
    By now, Hamza’s head was reeling from the impact of the mind-boggling data pouring forth from the screen. The more he scanned the scrolling pages, the more bewildered he became by the sheer brilliance of the miracle. But, when he studied the international reaction to it, he was absolutely staggered ...
    The probability factor of 26 septillion to 1 against chance had eliminated the possibility of chance completely. Availability of millions of identical copies of the same text, from Caliph Usman’s time to the end of this century, had totally ruled out the possibility of a recent insertion. At the same time, all traditions, historical records, translations, exegesis and commentaries of the Quran, without a single exception, had corroborated the evidence indubitably that no one knew about the significance of figure 19 in the sura 74, verse 30, prior to the year 1969. The prime number 19 was not a small figure. It had taken a computer and a trained professional analyst to draw this miracle out of the Book. A Book that had been orally dictated, over a period of twenty three years, and collected and compiled six months after the death of the messenger. It was inconceivable that a person from memory alone, could count from such a text, with millions of alphabets and then weave a mathematical structure in the entire text of such enormous complexity, with highly intricate interlocking mechanism; and after all this impossibly complicated effort, just forget to tell anyone about it? Moreover, with these factors one also had to consider the paramount problem of putting across to humanity, a certain form of teaching which was totally radical with the time and place. This teaching was to be in a peculiar format, containing similes, allegories, guidance, and laws; in such a choice of words that would make them flexible for interpretation, with the changing times, and amidst all the associated variables. Additionally, the effect generated by these verses on a diverse humanity, with innumerable language forms, had to be of such stupendous proportions that the resultant faith would encompass an area of almost half the globe within three decades...
    Such factors showed only a glimmer of the enormous complexities, inherent in the composition of these verses, and which came through a man, who was known to be an unlettered prophet.
    The implications seemed clear. For the first time in the living history of mankind, an incontrovertible proof of the Creator factor and of extra-terrestrial origin of Message had broken through the computer. It now depended upon the free will of humanity as to how it reacted to this gift..
    The world, Hamza exasperatedly thought, had invested billions of dollars on a distant hope that someday humanity might receive a Message from stars. It’s intellectuals, scientists and authors, had debated this possibility for over a century now, from all angles, all shades and all sides and yet when the proof of a Message being unambiguously extraterrestrial was shown to them, they as a block ignored it. Whether the area was enclosed under a bamboo curtain or an iron one, or was relatively free under the baneful influence of market forces in the technologically advanced countries of Australia, Europe and the land of liberty, the virtually earth shaking event got ignored through and through. It did not elicit even a tiny response in these countries. Even India and Japan, steeped as they were in their traditions, shunned the miracle totally. The national newspapers, popular magazines, various journals and the electronic media of all these countries that had always competed with each other in grasping any opportunity to malign the Message or its followers, maintained a tomb like silence on this disclosure. But, was he right in blaming the `allegiance factor’ of this world alone? The world ruled by the Message which should have been the biggest beneficiary of this discovery, showed the most startling aspect and ardour of their own brand of allegiance factor.
    When Khalifa began his work in 1969, he attracted the attention of intellectuals, clergy and masses alike, throughout the Islamic world. Many popular magazines and newspapers of the middle east, from Morocco to Pakistan began reporting his sensational discovery. Within a short span of time, Khalifa acquired the hallowed status of a hero, who could prove to the world, combining computer and religion, what the believers knew with certainty in their hearts. By the end of 1973, he was commanding full house audiences as he lectured at the universities, mosques, organisations and in royal and presidential palaces.
    But, till this period, Khalifa had held back the data related with the two verses. The illustrative calculations released by him had not mentioned that he had got the result after excluding the two verses. Now, from 1973 onwards, he began to consider himself strong enough to release this information to the world.
    The news that Khalifa had found two verses of the Quran outside the mathematical structure exploded like a bombshell. The community till now euphoric over the discovery, became bewildered. It was a possibility unthinkable for them. The Message itself had said that it was distortion proof, protected by God Himself. It was part of the basic belief, too deeply ingrained in the psyche of the six hundred million strong community, to be accepted casually by them. And then, Rashad Khalifa compounded the wow of community by dropping another bombshell. He declared himself to be the latest messenger, claiming that Muhammad was not the last. He also claimed that Gabriel now comes to him and that he had been sent to correct the Message to its pristine purity.
    Then, not content with these highly explosive claims, Rashad Khalifa began to demolish one established precept after another with impunity, through his `Authorised English Version of Quran’, other books and journals[13] <http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywo...imate.html>.
    On almost every topic he gave an opinion different from the one, established through the authority of Hadith and Sunna.
    The clergy, aghast at such utterances fought back. Some of them simply hinted about a conspiracy behind this miracle, hatched in US, questioning the motive and the credibility of the people behind this miracle...
    `Firstly in the Holy Quran there are many other digits and figures mentioned in various Ayats. Then why only figure 19 is advanced to prove the mathematical base of Holy Quran? It needs to be probed whether this figure has some sanctity for someone? Secondly who are those people who have floated this idea from USA?
    While some others were more direct in their accusations...
    `The protagonists of Bahaism are endeavouring to delude unwary Muslims and ensnare them in the Bahai cult by ostensibly projecting the miracle of the Quran Kareem. But, their aim is sinister. Their motive is not to honour the Quran, but to cunningly inject Bahai doctrine of kufr into the community.
    One other line of argument was that even if there was a miracle how did it prove the divinity of the Book?
    `If in any book, any digit, word or section is divided informally, then that cannot prove its Divine origin. If the colour of rice is white then it cannot be a proof of earth being saline. One may well ask as to who has established this standard; and what is the logical relationship between claim and proof.’
    The learned ones also tried to find chinks in the armour of the miracle itself. Their arguments were simple. `The Holy Quran was not revealed from Heaven in the written form. Therefore any deduction from its calligraphy cannot be correct.’ They cited the all-important case of Bismallah, whose 19 alphabets were apparently due to a special type of Calligraphy and not as per the established rule of Arabic grammar. Although by advancing such arguments they were rejecting the as yet uncontested opinion of all the legendary scholars of the pas and at the same time ignoring the Messenger’s only surviving letter to the Egyptian king which had also used the same calligraphic style in the opening statement. The case of alphabet Saad in sura “Al-Araf” and Al-Baqara”, was also cited. The logic was that this alphabet was inserted to differentiate the voice of the Adnani tribes. In such cases too, they had ignored the fact that the text of Quran contained deliberately introduced spelling errors in some words, regarding which none of the scholars in all these centuries had advanced any reasonable explanation. The calligraphists down the ages had faithfully copied the misspelled words again and again, without daring to correct this apparent mistake. It was only after the manifestation of this mathematical structure that this anomaly was resolved. If anyone would have corrected the mistake, with all good intentions, in those intervening fourteen centuries, the miracle would have vanished from the text forever.
    One other problem that had created much confusion was, that Khalifa in his mathematical structure, had represented the repetitions and identical verses as singular units. The orthodox scholars wanting to discredit the structure and prove Khalifa wrong, simply ignored the fact that this rule, wherever applicable, had been followed consistently throughout the text.
    Thus, while the Ulema were fighting a battle on an unknown territory, Rashad Khalifa, confident of the strength of miracle, was getting aggressive day by day. He called Hadith and Sunna, conjectures, forgeries and satanic innovations, and advocates of Hadith and Sunna as “Worshipers of Muhammad, Idol worshipers, False Muslims who were doomed”.
    The war hotted up. The majority of Ulema were honest, God fearing people. They believed that Rashad Khalifa was wrong in his twin claims of messengerhood and distortion in the Message, but unable to account for the miracle, they simply opted for the only way open for them, they rejected it utterly....
    Instructions went forth from the top most Shariat authorities to all the Islamic centres of learning, throughout the world, not to discuss or debate the merits or demerits of the miracle but to remain tacit on this issue.
    The Quran was meant for guidance only and not to find hidden mathematical structures. The Ulema did not issue any fatwa to kill Rashad Khalifa. The man was simply a renegade scholar whose claims were unacceptable to the generally tolerant orthodox community. But a hothead of the community, inflamed by the utterances of Rashad Khalifa, ultimately killed him in the Tucson mosque itself, on the morning of 31st. January 1990, before the morning prayers.
    Interestingly enough, during all this period, the highly influential International media, the honest and objective opinion maker, kept totally aloof from this momentous discovery, and with the subsequent events that happened in its aftermath. In the intervening period, they chose to go hysterical over the freedom of expression of Salman Rushdie and Tasleema Nasreen; gleefully branded Khumeini and Ghaddafi as ogres; sympathised with the starving millions of Africa and Bangladesh; thoroughly enjoyed the folly and destruction of Iraq and senseless fighting in Kabul; remained a silent witness to the genocide in Bosnia and persecution in India, Burma and Palestine; and dubbed all movements inspired by Message against the corrupt governments of their countries, as terrorist movements; while carefully screening news of all developmental work in these countries. The miracle was ignored, thoroughly and totally. No articles appeared in the papers, no discussions took place on any of the electronic media and none of the letters found a place in the popular columns. The discipline was admirable and total. The entire world threw Rashad Khalifa into the dustbin of history, forgot his miracle and took a sigh of relief.
    But what was the truth? Was Rashad Khalifa on the right path or were the Ulema? Or did the actuality lay somewhere in between?
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    THE KEY
    Rashad Khalifa’s basic premise that the two verses were added just because `one of the scribes suggested that since their copies were destined for new, foreign lands, their Arab prophet should be honored by adding a couple of verses in praise of him’ was untenable..
    “A messenger has come to you from among you who wants no hardship to afflict you, and cares about you, and is compassionate towards the believers, merciful. 9:128
    If they turn away, then say, ‘Sufficient for me is God, there is no God except He. I put my trust in Him. He is the Lord with the great throne’.” 9:129
    ‘These verses were not the only verses in the Message, which praised the messenger. There were other verses too, almost of the same content..’
    “Certainly you have in Rasul Allah beautiful pattern (of conduct) for him who hopes in Allah and the Last Day and remember Allah much.” 33:21
    “Allah did confer a great favour on the believers when He sent among them a Messenger from among themselves reciting to them His signs and purifying them and teaching them the Book and the Wisdom.” 3:164
    Moreover, every follower believed, and does believe to this day, that each Word of Message is God’s Word Himself. It was totally distinct from Messenger’s statements or his instructions, preserved in the Hadith. To add something to God’s Words during that period when there were hundreds of companions alive who had heard the Message directly from the Messenger himself, and had committed the entire text to memory, was beyond all reason and logic. The mathematical structure itself showed that everything related with the Message, alphabets, words, phrases, verse numbers, sura divisions, deliberately introduced misspelled words or asymmetry had been faithfully preserved in millions of copies, transcribed by hand, through all these fourteen centuries.
    Thus amidst all this overwhelming evidence of fidelity, Rashad Khalifa’s assumption regarding these verses, had the same ring of conviction as the Ulema’s justification or rationalisation had for the rejection of this miracle.
    Furthermore, we do not agree with the interpretation of various calculations of the miracle by Rashad Khalifa. In our opinion some of these calculations could also be interpreted in a different light.
    Such as, in one of his calculations, Rashad Khalifa had considered all the chapters that contained verse number 129. Presuming the presence of controversial verses 128 & 129 in the chapter 9, this chapter was also included.
    1. Total count of such chapters came to 9, equal to the serial number of sura with the two controversial verses. This coincidence would not have happened if sura 9 had only 127 verses
    2. Additionally, sum of these chapter numbers (I) came to 114 or 19x6, a figure that was equal to the total number of chapters in the Message. This phenomenon also would have vanished, if chapter 9 did not contain the verse 129.
    3. Adding column I and column II gave a figure (114+1161=) 1275 that only became divisible by 19, when 2 was removed.
    1275-2 = 1273 or 19x67
    The calculation seemed to suggest that although chapter 9 has 129 verses, 2 of them have some special status. Rashad Khalifa himself had realised this `In other words, we are told that one of these nine suras contains two extra verses.’
    4. Another hint about these two verses emerged, when all those suras were listed this time that contained verse 128. This exercise provided the same list with only one addition-sura 16. This sura had exactly 128 verses.
    By adding the two columns and subtracting 9 and 128 from this total, the sum was found to be a multiple of 19.
    130 + 1280 = 1410 - 9 - 128 = 1273 or 19x67
    Incidentally (?) this figure `1273’ was the same that had been achieved by listing all chapters with the verse 129.
    5. Another example was the peculiar exercise of counting only those digits in all the verses of the Message that constituted the two controversial verses - all “1”s, “2”s, “8”s, and “9”s.
    In this remarkable phenomenon, every single verse was examined for the individual digits of verse 128 and 129 and the grand total was found to be a multiple of 19.
    Thus, the code and structure seemed to act both ways. It not only separated the two verses from the structure, but also seemed to point towards their location and numbers. In other words it seemed to be aware of these verses.
    Now since all these calculations, based on the data inherent in the entire Text, seemed to confirm a knowledge of the existence of these verses before the act of alleged distortion, this pre-knowledge could only be interpreted either as a hint of a future act of distortion (easy for Creator) or about some special status of these verses, that lay on the periphery of the main structure...
    . To check, we arranged the chapter numbers in a column in an ascending order and verse numbers in a descending order instead of the actual order, and then multiplied the two columns. Surprisingly, the sum came to be a multiple of 19, whether chapter 9 was taken to consist of 129 verses or 127 verses. This result also confirmed that verses 128 and 129 of chapter 9, did not lie outside the mathematical structure, but were very much part of the Message
    We also wrote down a program that dealt in large numbers and fed the data related with the numerical relationships between chapter numbers and verse numbers, assuming chapter 9 to consist of 127 verses.
    The computer confirmed the calculations of Rashad Khalifa.
    Then as part of next step, we changed the figures. The chapter 9 now included the two verses that had been claimed by Rashad Khalifa as being later additions. Entering the new data into the computer, we checked the first large number involving chapter 9, and immediately hit pay dirt.
    6. On writing the sum of all serial number of verses of chapter 9 (1+2+...+128+129=8385), followed by the chapter number (9), the total of verses of the chapter (129), then all the serial number of its verses and later closing the figure with the new total of all verses of the entire Message (6234+2=6236) …the resulting long number was found to be a multiple of 19.
    (TOTAL OF ALL SERIAL NUMBER OF VERSES OF CHAPTER)(CHAPT. NO.)(TOTAL OF VERSES)(SERIAL NO. OF VERSES OF ENTIRE CHAPT.(TOTAL VERSES OF THE MESSAGE)
    8385,9,129,1234567891011....127128129,6236.
    Intensely inquisitive he tried other combinations also, and again met the success with a still more complex figure involving chapter 9.
    7. Writing down in order, the total numbered verses of the Message (6236), the sum total of all serial numbers of verses of chapter nine (8385), the chapter number (9), the total verses of chapter (129), then all the serial number of its verses, followed again by the sum total of all serial number of verses of chapter 9, and the total of all verses of the Message (6236) ..the resulting long number was also found to be a multiple of 19.
    (TOTAL NUMBERED VERSES OF THE MESSAGE)(TOTAL OF ALL SERIAL NUMBER OF VERSES OF CHAPTER)(CHAPT. NO.)(TOTAL OF VERSES)(SERIAL NO. OF VERSES OF ENTIRE CHAPT.)(TOTAL OF ALL SERIAL NUMBER OF VERSES OF CHAPTER)(TOTAL NUMBERED VERSES OF THE MESSAGE)
    6236,8385,9,129,1234567891011....127128129,8385,62 36.
    Whichever large figure we tried, replacing one or the other combination usually turned it into a multiple of nineteen.
    8. On writing the total numbered verses of the Message first, and then the serial numbers of verses of each chapter, followed by the total of verses of that chapter...unto the last chapter, resulted in a long figure (12696 digits), which was also a multiple of 19.
    (TOTAL NUMBERED VERSES OF MESSAGE)(SERIAL NOS. OF VERSES OF CHAPT.1)(TOTAL OF VERSES OF CHAPT.1)(SERIAL NO. OF VERSES OF CHAPT.2)(TOTAL OF VERSES OF CHAPT.2)...(SERIAL NO. OF VERSES OF CHAPT.114)(TOTAL OF VERSES OF CHAPT.114)
    (6236,1234567,7,12345...285286,286,....,123456,6.)
    9. In the same figure, when we removed the total of numbered verses of the Message from the beginning and added in the end, the total of chapters (114), followed by the grand sum of all serial numbers of all verses of the Message (333667), then this figure also became a multiple of nineteen. The significant point in this calculation was that like the new total of numbered verses of the Message (6236) in the previous calculation, the grand sum also included the two verses, claimed false by Rashad Khalifa.
    (SERIAL NOS. OF VERSES OF CHAPT.1)(TOTAL OF VERSES OF CHAPT.1)(SERIAL NO. OF VERSES OF CHAPTER) (TOTAL OF VERSES OF CHAPT.2)...(SERIAL NO. OF VERSES OF CHAPT.114)(TOTAL OF VERSES OF CHAPT.114)(TOTAL NUMBER OF CHAPTERS)(GRAND SUM OF ALL SERIAL NUMBERS OF ALL VERSES OF THE MESSAGE)
    (1234567,7,12345...285286,286,....,123456,6,114,33 3667.)
    10. Another figure containing the serial numbers of every verse of a chapter, followed by the chapter number, and then the total count of verses in the chapter, produced five long numbers with different combinations that were multiples of 19.
    (TOTAL NUMBERED VERSES OF MESSAGE)(SERIAL NO. OF VERSES OF CHAPT.)(CHAPT. NO.)(TOTAL OF VERSES OF CHAPT.).....(GRAND SUM OF ALL SERIAL NUMBERS OF ALL VERSES OF THE MESSAGE)(TOTAL NUMBERED VERSES OF MESSAGE)
    (6236,1234567,1,7,12345...286,2,286,....,123456,11 4,6,333667,6236.)
    11. (TOTAL NUMBERED VERSES OF MESSAGE)(SERIAL NO. OF VERSES OF CHAPT.)(CHAPT. NO.)(TOTAL OF VERSES OF CHAPT.).....(TOTAL NUMBERED VERSES OF MESSAGE)(GRAND SUM OF ALL SERIAL NUMBERS OF ALL VERSES OF THE MESSAGE)
    (6236,1234567,1,7,12345...286,2,286,....,123456,11 4,6,6236,33667.)
    12. (GRAND SUM OF ALL SERIAL NUMBERS OF ALL VERSES OF THE MESSAGE)(SERIAL NO. OF VERSES OF CHAPT.)(CHAPT. NO.)(TOTAL OF VERSES OF CHAPT.).....(GRAND SUM OF ALL SERIAL NUMBERS OF ALL VERSES OF THE MESSAGE)
    (333667,1234567,1,7,12345...286,2,286,....,123456, 114,6,333667)
    13. (GRAND SUM OF ALL SERIAL NUMBERS OF ALL VERSES OF THE MESSAGE)(SERIAL NO. OF VERSES OF CHAPT.)(CHAPT. NO.)(TOTAL OF VERSES OF CHAPT.).....(TOTAL NUMBER OF CHAPTERS)(TOTAL NUMBERED VERSES OF MESSAGE)
    (333667,1234567,1,7,12345...286,2,286,....,123456, 114,6,114,6236)
    14. (GRAND SUM OF ALL SERIAL NUMBERS OF ALL VERSES OF THE MESSAGE)(TOTAL NUMBERED VERSES OF MESSAGE)(SERIAL NO. OF VERSES OF CHAPT.)(CHAPT. NO.)(TOTAL OF VERSES OF CHAPT.).....(TOTAL NUMBER OF CHAPTERS)(GRAND SUM OF ALL SERIAL NUMBERS OF ALL VERSES OF THE MESSAGE)
    (333667,6236,1234567,1,7,....,123456,114,6,114,333 667)
    15. When the order was changed, even then it provided a figure that was a multiple of nineteen.
    (TOTAL NUMBERED VERSES OF MESSAGE)(TOTAL NUMBER OF CHAPTERS)(TOTAL OF VERSES OF CHAPT.)(SERIAL NO. OF VERSES OF CHAPT.)(CHAPT. NO.).....(TOTAL NUMBERED VERSES OF MESSAGE)
    (6236,114,7,1234567,1,286,1234...286,2,...,6,12345 6,114,6236)
    In this way, as we wrote down a program of possible permutation and combination of different numbers used, we found 2294 such large numbers, when chapter 9 had 129 verses, and 2184 large numbers, if the number was 127 and not 129. A calculation that further confirmed the presence of the two verses 9:128,129 in the text of Message.
    Thus, in our opinion neither had the Message ever become distorted nor was Rashad Khalifa sent as a messenger to earth. His real status lay in being the researcher par excellence, who had given to the world a mathematical structure, a tool through which humanity not only could confirm the presence of the eternally elusive Creator factor, but also remove all its doubts regarding the Message coming from Him, as a mercy to mankind.
    The beauty of this structure was that it had isolated and pointed towards two verses in the entire text.
    It was in the interpretation of these verses, we believe, that Satan had misled the Great Researcher on a trail of red herring.
    The explanation that was as clear as a day to him was that it was the `two verses’ that were the elusive key to the Ultimate Code....

    There is not a creature IN the earth whose provision is not guaranteed by God." 11:6
    Scientifically speaking, we all live in the earth and not on the earth. That is because we live inside the earth's atmosphere, which is part of the earth. However, when we look at 27:82 we find the wording is deliberately changed to:
    "A creature FROM the earth" which denotes that this creature is made of earthly material.
    As it happened, the computer was the tool to be used in counting all the thousands of figures and multiples of the miracle in the Quran.
    Let us look at 27:82 one more time but this time reverse the figures of the verse and the Sura. The 27 becomes 72, and the 82 becomes 28. Verse 72:28 includes the words:
    "He (GOD) has counted the NUMBERS of all things"
    : This is no less than a reminder to (all) the worlds. And you shall certainly know the truth of it (all) after a while. (Qur'aan 38:87-88).
    Thus, the Qur'aan is a reminder for all of mankind until the Last Hour. It contains information that man discovers in due time. Because this Qur'aan was revealed from Allah’s knowledge and every single verse in it was revealed with Allah’s knowledge, as He Himself said:
    But Allah bears witness that what He has sent unto you He has sent with His (own) knowledge... (Qur'aan 4:166).
    Every single verse contains divine knowledge, but mankind is constantly developing. In attaining higher levels of scientific understanding, mankind is then capable of discerning the divine knowledge contained in a given verse. Thus, coming to know that this verse has been revealed from Allah, with the ever continuing process of human progress and development, man will come to find the clue that enables him to understand another verse, and so on. In this way mankind will continue to understand more and more verses. This is the wondrous characteristics of the Qur'aan.


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    andhra hmmm i think he is in ganga having a bath with other thousands of hinduz ( all naked) in such dirt and polluted water well they r washing their sins off!!!!!!

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      #3
      the first rule of discussion is to read or listen to wat the other has to say ANDHRA if u ever read it which u wont u r a coward.and i dont care if i get kicked off the forum.TATA

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        #4
        I don't blame andha for not reading this, it is extremely long.
        Doctor Sahab would you please care to summarize your post or someone who read it.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Rehaan:
          andhra hmmm i think he is in ganga having a bath with other thousands of hinduz ( all naked) in such dirt and polluted water well they r washing their sins off!!!!!!

          He is doing Khumba mela! he is one of the necked sadhus see if you can locate him below.
          http://www.kumbhallahabad.com/home.htm

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            #6
            its about the miracle of nineteen in quran the retaliation history and final conclusion.since andhra is always finding fault and wen he gets an answer he just deviates from the track i gave him something to think about and he will probably give an explanation going something like this-that the prophet(pbuh) had a computer 1400 years ago

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              #7
              Originally posted by Abdali:
              He is doing Khumba mela! he is one of the necked sadhus see if you can locate him below.
              http://www.kumbhallahabad.com/home.htm
              lol thanx man .....i just cant believe these guyz....they look awfully revolting i dont know wot goes through their mind when they actually get naked among thousands !!!

              i m just curious is there any women kumba too

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                #8
                good job Dr. sahib andhra won't dare read it...

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                  #9
                  can someone explain the post please....

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Rehaan:
                    lol thanx man .....i just cant believe these guyz....they look awfully revolting i dont know wot goes through their mind when they actually get naked among thousands !!!

                    i m just curious is there any women kumba


                    too

                    i wish we will get that liberal .

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Rehaan:
                      lol thanx man .....i just cant believe these guyz....they look awfully revolting i dont know wot goes through their mind when they actually get naked among thousands !!!

                      i m just curious is there any women kumba too
                      in their mind ....the same thing when you offer a namaaz...

                      i am curious why womens are not allowed in masjids...

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by devil123:
                        i am curious why womens are not allowed in masjids...
                        Where'd you get that from???

                        The Times of India ??
                        Or The Hindustan Times??
                        Or The Hindu ??

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                          #13
                          is it true all the muslims dont go
                          to same mosque ? that is arab and south asians dont go same mosque?

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by devil123:
                            in their mind ....the same thing when you offer a namaaz...

                            i am curious why womens are not allowed in masjids...
                            women are allowed in masjid i go there all the time and so others.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by rvikz:
                              is it true all the muslims dont go
                              to same mosque ? that is arab and south asians dont go same mosque?
                              no it is not true.. we can go to any masjid..in some areas because of regional reasons majority might be of a specific athenicity but mostly you see diversity in masjids.

                              all asians, africans, americans or whatsoever pray to same god, in same language, in same manner and together. Hajj is an example of the equality Islam promotes.

                              The mosque weher I go to usually have few americans and asians and majority africans. But race or nationality doesnt matter, since to ALlaha we all are same.

                              [This message has been edited by secret_obsession (edited March 25, 2002).]

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