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    Let's discuss Christian Violence. Below are some "controversial statements" found in the Bible. This is not an attempt to demean the bible ... but to point out that there are statements in the Bible that can be taken out of context.

    I wish this side of the story could be conveyed after people like Pat Robertson, Graham (even Bill Maher is often found making derogatory comments about Islam and it’s 1.5 billion followers) and their likes of people make blanket statement about
    Islam. But you will never see the likes of CNN, MSNBC and Fox discuss this , ever.

    Finally, when you read the following verses, and please read all of them, it will be worth your time, you
    will conclude that Allah (GOD) Subhanahu Wata’ala the most merciful cannot be the one who is described in many Biblical verses below:


    EX 21:20-21 With the Lord's approval, a slave may be beaten to death with no punishment for the perpetrator as long as the slave doesn't die too
    quickly.

    EX 12:29 The Lord kills all the first-born in the land of Egypt.

    EX 32:27 "Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from
    gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every
    man his companion,
    and every man his neighbor.

    EX 32:27-29 With the Lord's approval, the Israelites slay 3000 men.

    LE 26:22 "I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your
    children."

    LE 26:29, DT 28:53, JE 19:9, EZ 5:8-10 As a punishment, the Lord will
    cause people to eat the flesh of their own sons and daughters and fathers and
    friends.

    LE 27:29 Human sacrifice is condoned. (Note: An example is given in JG
    11:30-39)

    NU 25:4 (KJV) "And the Lord said unto Moses, take all the heads of the
    people, and hang them up before the Lord against the sun ...."

    NU 31:17-18 Moses, following the Lord's command, orders the Israelites
    to kill all the Midianite male children and "... every woman who has known man
    ...."(Note: How
    would it be determined which women had known men? One can only speculate.)

    NU 31:31-40 32,000 virgins are taken by the Israelites as booty.
    Thirty-two are set aside (to be sacrificed?) as a tribute for the Lord.

    DT 7:2 The Lord commands the Israelites to "utterly destroy" and shown
    "no mercy" to those whom he gives them for defeat.

    DT 20:13-14 "When the Lord delivers it into your hand, put to the sword
    all the males .... As for the women, the children, the livestock and
    everything else in the
    city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves."

    DT 21:10-13 With the Lord's approval, the Israelites are allowed to take
    "beautiful women" from
    the enemy camp to be their captive wives. If, after sexual relations, the
    husband has "no
    delight" in his wife, he can simply let her go.

    DT 28:53 "You will eat the fruit of the womb, the flesh of the sons and
    daughters the Lord your God has given you."

    JS 1:1-9, 18 Joshua receives the Lord's blessing for all the bloody
    endeavors to follow.

    JS 6:21-27 With the Lord's approval, Joshua destroys the city of Jericho men,
    women, and
    children with the edge of the sword.

    JS 7:19-26 Achan, his children and his cattle are stoned to death
    because Achan had taken a taboo thing.

    JS 8:22-25 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly smites the people of Ai,
    killing 12,000 men
    and women, so that there were none who escaped.

    JS 10:10-27 With the help of the Lord, Joshua utterly destroys the
    Gibeonites.

    JS 10:28 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly destroys the people of
    Makkedah.

    JS 10:30 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly destroys the
    Libnahites.

    JS 10:32-33 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly destroys the people of
    Lachish.

    JS 10:34-35 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly destroys the
    Eglonites.

    JS 10:36-37 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly destroys the
    Hebronites.

    JS 10:38-39 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly destroys the
    Debirites.

    JS 10:40 (A summary statement.) "So Joshua defeated the whole land ...;
    he left none remaining, but destroyed all that breathed, as the Lord God of
    Israel commanded."

    JS 11:6 The Lord orders horses to be hamstrung. (Exceedingly cruel.)

    JS 11:8-15 "And the lord gave them into the hand of Israel, ...utterly
    destroying them; there was none left that breathed ...."

    JS 11:20 "For it was the Lord's doing to harden their hearts that they
    should come against Israel in battle, in order that they should be utterly
    destroyed, and should
    receive no mercy but be exterminated, as the Lord commanded Moses."

    JS 11:21-23 Joshua utterly destroys the Anakim.

    JG 1:4 With the Lord's support, Judah defeats 10,000 Canaanites at
    Bezek.

    JG 1:6 With the Lord's approval, Judah pursues Adoni-bezek, catches him, and
    cuts off his thumbs
    and big toes.

    JG 1:8 With the Lord's approval, Judah smites Jerusalem.

    JG 1:17 With the Lord's approval, Judah and Simeon utterly destroy the
    Canaanites who inhabited Zephath.

    JG 3:29 The Israelites kill about 10,000 Moabites.

    JG 3:31 (A restatement.) Shamgar killed 600 Philistines with an oxgoad.

    JG 4:21 Jael takes a tent stake and hammers it through the head of
    Sisera, fastening it to the ground.

    JG 7:19-25 The Gideons defeat the Midianites, slay their princes, cut
    off their heads, and bring the heads back to Gideon.

    JG 8:15-21 The Gideons slaughter the men of Penuel.

    JG 9:5 Abimalech murders his brothers.

    JG 9:45 Abimalech and his men kill all the people in the city.

    JG 9:53-54 "A woman dropped a stone on his head and cracked his skull.
    Hurriedly he called to his armor-bearer, 'Draw your sword and kill me, so that
    they can't say a
    woman killed me.' So his servant ran him through, and he died."

    JG 11:29-39 Jepthah sacrifices his beloved daughter, his only child,
    according to a vow he has made with the Lord.

    JG 14:19 The Spirit of the Lord comes upon a man and causes him to slay
    thirty men.

    JG 15:15 Samson slays 1000 men with the jawbone of an ass.

    JG 16:21 The Philistines gouge out Samson's eyes.

    JG 16:27-30 Samson, with the help of the Lord, pulls down the pillars of the
    Philistine house
    and causes his own death and that of 3000 other men and women.


    JG 18:27 The Danites slay the quiet and unsuspecting people of Laish.

    JG 19:22-29 A group of sexual depraved men beat on the door of an old
    man's house demanding that he turn over to them a male house guest. Instead,
    the old man offers
    his virgin daughter and his guest's concubine (or wife):
    "Behold, here are my virgin daughter and his concubine; let me bring them out
    now. Ravish them
    and do with them what seems good to you; but against this man do not do so
    vile a thing." The
    man's concubine is ravished and dies. The man then cuts her body into twelve
    pieces and sends
    one piece to each of the twelve tribes of Israel.

    JG 20:43-48 The Israelites smite 25,000+ "men of valor" from amongst the
    Benjamites, "men and
    beasts and all that they found," and set their
    towns on fire.

    JG 21:10-12 "... Go and smite the inhabitants of Jabesh-gilead with the
    edge of the sword and; also the women and little ones.... every male and every
    woman that has
    lain with a male you shall utterly destroy." They do so and find four hundred
    young virgins whom
    they bring back for their own use.

    1SA 4:10 The Philistines slay 30,000 Israelite foot soldiers.

    1SA 7:7-11 Samuel and his men smite the Philistines.

    1SA 11:11 With the Lord's blessing, Saul and his men cut down the
    Ammonites.

    1SA 14:31 Jonathan and his men strike down he Philistines.

    1SA 14:48 Saul smites the Amalekites.

    1SA 15:3, 7-8 "This is what the Lord says: Now go and smite Amalek, and
    utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and
    woman, infant and
    suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass ....' And Saul ...utterly destroyed all
    the people with
    the edge of the sword."

    1SA 15:33 "Samuel hewed Agag in pieces before the Lord ...."

    1SA 18:7 The women sing as they make merry: "Saul has slain his
    thousands and David his ten thousands."

    1SA 18:27 David murders 200 Philistines, then cuts off their foreskins.


    1SA 30:17 David smites the Amalekites.

    2SA 2:23 Abner kills Asahel.

    2SA 3:30 Joab and Abishai kill Abner.

    2SA 4:7-8 Rechan and Baanah kill Ish-bosheth, behead him, and take his
    head to David.

    2SA 4:12 David has Rechan and Baanah killed, their hands and feet cut
    off, and their bodies hanged by the pool at Hebron.

    2SA 5:25 "And David did as the Lord commanded him, and smote the
    Philistines...."

    2SA 6:2-23 Because she rebuked him for having exposed himself, Michal
    (David's wife) was barren throughout her life.

    2SA 8:1-18 (A listing of some of David's murderous conquests.)

    2SA 8:4 David hamstrung all but a few of the horses.

    2SA 8:5 David slew 22,000 Syrians.

    2SA 8:13 David slew 18,000 Edomites in the valley of salt and made the
    rest slaves.

    2SA 10:18 David slew 47,000+ Syrians.

    2SA 11:14-27 David has Uriah killed so that he can marry Uriah's wife,
    Bathsheba.

    2SA 12:1, 19 The Lord strikes David's child dead for the sin that David
    has committed.

    2SA 13:1-15 Amnon loves his sister Tamar, rapes her, then hates her.

    2SA 13:28-29 Absalom has Amnon murdered.

    2SA 18:6 -7 20,000 men are slaughtered at the battle in the forest of
    Ephraim.

    2SA 18:15 Joab's men murder Absalom.

    2SA 20:10-12 Joab's men murder Amasa and leave him "... wallowing in his own
    blood in the
    highway. And anyone who came by, seeing him, stopped."

    2SA 24:15 The Lord sends a pestilence on Israel that kills 70,000 men.

    1KI 2:24-25 Solomon has Adonijah murdered.

    1KI 2:29-34 Solomon has Joab murdered.

    1KI 2:46 Solomon has Shime-i murdered.

    1KI 13:15-24 A man is killed by a lion for eating bread and drinking
    water in a place where the Lord had previously told him not to. This is in
    spite of the fact
    that the man had subsequently been lied to by a prophet who told the man that
    an angel of the
    Lord said that it would be alright to eat and drink there.

    1KI 20:29-30 The Israelites smite 100,000 Syrian soldiers in one day. A wall
    falls on 27,000
    remaining Syrians.

    2KI 1:10-12 Fire from heaven comes down and consumes fifty men.

    2KI 2:23-24 Forty-two children are mauled and killed, presumably
    according to the will of God, for having jeered at a man of God.

    2KI 6:18-19 The Lord answers Elisha's prayer and strikes the Syrians
    with blindness. Elisha tricks the blind Syrians and leads them to Samaria.

    2KI 6:29 "So we cooked my son and ate him. The next day I said to her,
    'Give up your son so we may eat him,' but she had hidden him."

    2KI 9:24 Jehu tricks and murders Joram.


    2KI 9:30-37 Jehu has Jezebel killed. Her body is trampled by horses.
    Dogs eat her flesh so that only her skull, feet, and the palms of her hands
    remain.

    2KI 10:7 Jehu has Ahab's seventy sons beheaded, then sends the heads to
    their father.

    2KI 10:14 Jehu has forty-two of Ahab's kin killed.

    2KI 10:17 "And when he came to Samaria, he slew all that remained to
    Ahab in Samaria, till he had wiped them out, according to the word of the
    Lord...."

    2KI 10:19-27 Jehu uses trickery to massacre the Baal worshippers.

    2KI 11:1 Athaliah destroys all the royal family.

    2KI 14:5, 7 Amaziah kills his servants and then 10,000 Edomites.

    2KI 15:3-5 Even though he did what was right in the eyes of the Lord,
    the Lord smites Azariah with leprosy for not having removed the "high places."

    2KI 15:16 Menahem ripped open all the women who were pregnant.

    2KI 19:35 An angel of the Lord kills 185,000 men.

    1CH 20:3 (KJV) "And he brought out the people that were in it, and cut
    them with saws, and with harrows of iron, and with axes."

    2CH 13:17 500,000 Israelites are slaughtered.

    2CH 21:4 Jehoram slays all his brothers.

    PS 137:9 Happy will be the man who dashes your little ones against the
    stones.

    PS 144:1 God is praised as the one who trains hands for war and fingers
    for battle.

    IS 13:15 "Everyone who is captured will be thrust through; all who are
    caught will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed to pieces before
    their eyes; their
    ... wives will be ravished."

    IS 13:18 "Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they
    shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare
    children."

    IS 14:21-22 "Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of
    their fathers."

    IS 49:26 The Lord will cause the oppressors of the Israelite's to eat
    their own flesh and to become drunk on their own blood as with wine.

    JE 16:4 "They shall die grievous deaths; they shall not be lamented;
    neither shall they be buried; but they shall be as dung upon the face of the
    earth: and they
    shall be consumed by the sword, and by famine; and their carcasses shall be
    meat for the fowls
    of heaven, and for the beasts of the earth."

    LA 4:9-10 "Those slain by the sword are better off than those who die of
    famine; racked with
    hunger, they waste away for lack of food. ... pitiful women have cooked their
    own children, who
    became their food .."

    EZ 6:12-13 The Lord says: "... they will fall by the sword, famine and
    plague. He that is far away will die of the plague, and he that is near will
    fall by the sword,
    and he that survives and is spared will die of famine. So will I spend my
    wrath upon them. And
    they will know I am the Lord, when the people lie slain among their idols
    around their altars,
    on every high hill and on all the mountaintops, under every spreading tree and
    every leafy oak
    ...."

    EZ 9:4-6 The Lord commands: "... slay old men outright, young men and
    maidens, little children and women ...."

    EZ 20:26 In order that he might horrify them, the Lord allowed the
    Israelites to defile themselves through, amongst other things, the sacrifice
    of their first-born
    children.

    EZ 21:3-4 The Lord says that he will cut off both the righteous and the
    wicked that his sword shall go against all flesh.

    EZ 23:25, 47 God is going to slay the sons and daughters of those who
    were whores.

    HO 13:16 "They shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in
    pieces, and their women
    with child shall be ripped up."

    MI 3:2-3 "... who pluck off their skin ..., and their flesh from off
    their bones; Who also eat the flesh of my people, and flay their skin from off
    them; and they
    break their bones, and chop them in pieces, as for the pot, and as flesh
    within the caldron."

    MT 10:21 "... the brother shall deliver up his brother to death, and the
    father his child, ...
    children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to
    death."

    MT 10:35-36 "For I have come to turn a man against his father, a
    daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law a
    man's enemies will be
    the members of his own family."

    MT 11:21-24 Jesus curses [the inhabitants of] three cities who were not
    sufficiently impressed with his great works.

    AC 13:11 Paul purposefully blinds a man (though not permanently).


    #2
    I think the problem with discussing "Christian violence" or "Muslim violence" or "Hindu violence" or whatever, is that these labels are not accurate. We can discuss the violence of particular individuals who have used the name of God to justify their crimes, but its not necessary to label a particular religion or belief system as inherently violent.

    A non-Muslim can easily pluck out quotes from the Qur'an and offer them up to us to try to convince us that our religion is violent. This is exactly what Robertson did. But we know this is not true. Lets not fall to their level of ignorance. A Christian can be as tolerant (or as violent) as a Muslim, and vice versa.

    Achtung

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      #3
      Not sure where you took these passages from. I spot checked six or seven different passages and they were all worded incorrectly. Some extremely so.

      If you are going to critique the bible, at least try and post correct information.

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        #4
        Moderator: I had posted this reference in World Affairs due to current affairs taking place in t/ world amongst us. I am curious as to why my post was transferred in Religion and not t/ "Islam is Violent"? My post was in response to that particular thread and to get more xposure as Islam and politics in todays world are synonymous these days.

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          #5
          Achtung: The problem is that when t/ likes of Pat Robertson, Bill Maher, and Grahams' speak, average American people dolisten, and hence these so called thinkers are poisoning the minds of an avge American and spewing hate.

          I absolutely agree w/ you that no religion breeds or encourages violence. But the fact remains that you can't turn on t/ telly these days without witnessing such topics as "Does Islam preach Violence" etc. T/ Western media specially in t/ USA has put Islam on trial and this is long before 9/11.

          Embrasive: Please what wordings are you referring to? By t/ way, that exactly is my point. When you transpose a few words here and there and quote lines out of context, you are bound to get something different.

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