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    Let it not be Islam!

    It will be very nice if some one tells us that given below is not as per Islam and the Pakistan Today news article dt 15the Feb is a yellow press.
    Pls tell us that Islam is a civilized religion!

    http://www.paktoday.com/stone15.htm


    ‘Death By Stoning Highlights Risks To Christians Under Islam’


    Stoning to death for adultery is one of a range of controversial physical punishments meted out under Islamic (shari'a) law. Numerous instances of stoning have been reported from Iran, and in recent years, several individuals have been sentenced to stoning in Nigerian states where shari'a has been imposed. An exiled Iranian opposition group, the National Council of Resistance (NCRI), claims that since the 1979 Islamic revolution, "hundreds of women of various ages have been and continued to be stoned to death throughout Iran." According to the NCRI, which has released secretly-filmed footage of such executions, women are buried up to their necks before being stoned to death. "The stones should not be so large that a person dies after being hit with two of them, nor so small as to be defined as pebbles, but must cause severe injury," it says. "This makes it clear that the purpose of stoning is to inflict grievous pain on the victim, in a process leading to his or her slow death."


    #2
    Well,
    If that's what they want. Basically what will happen is that minorities will give a wide berth to so-called Muslim COuntries and a backlash will build up.
    What's happenning here is that some Muslims want to put the clock back!!!
    THey are daring the rest of the Religions to follow suit. So far the other religions have not responded.

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      #3
      The Quran clearly states that those who commit adultery shud be given 100 lashes....
      stoning to death is also a punishment for adultery as proven from the Hadith of the Prophet (pbuh)....

      so the Fiqh (or Shari'ah) says that unmarried adultrators be given 100 lashes and married ones be stoned to death....

      had the Muslim countries themselves and the other religions followed this punishment, we wud not be living in such a shameless world where this sin is no longer regarded as even a bad thing....

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      "Our Lord! forgive us our sins and anything we may have done that transgressed our duty; establish our feet firmly and help us against those that resist faith." Quran(3:147)
      Both Halal & Haram r evident but between them r doubtful things, most ppl have no knowledge about them. So whoever saves himself from suspicious things saves his religion & honor, & whoever indulges in suspicious things indulges in Haram.

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        #4
        Better I do not ask what is civilized in sharyat law.

        What is the authenticity of such court verdicts? How such court process is conducted when a woman is accused? Does someone cross examine the witnesses? Is the accused given a chance for explanation?
        Is the male member involved in such a so called crime punished?

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          #5
          Originally posted by armughal:
          The Quran clearly states that those who commit adultery shud be given 100 lashes....
          stoning to death is also a punishment for adultery as proven from the Hadith of the Prophet (pbuh)....

          so the Fiqh (or Shari'ah) says that unmarried adultrators be given 100 lashes and married ones be stoned to death....

          had the Muslim countries themselves and the other religions followed this punishment, we wud not be living in such a shameless world where this sin is no longer regarded as even a bad thing....


          Wherever such acts are committed, it is shrouded in secrecy. There is no open trial. Quoting the Koran and subjecting people to such terrible punishment is usually done if someone has a personal vendetta against the victim.

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            #6
            It is the new information age. Internet and instant access. The laws, rules, customs, etc. everything is now open and available to examination by everybody. The truth and facts will ultimately prevail.

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              #7
              Originally posted by OldLahori:
              It is the new information age. Internet and instant access. The laws, rules, customs, etc. everything is now open and available to examination by everybody. The truth and facts will ultimately prevail.
              I have not heard of such acts being committed in modern reasonably secular Muslim states like Turkey or Malaysia.
              Saudi Arabia and Talibans Afghanistan are examples of countries where such acts are committed. In these countries laws are not open for debate by the common man who has to live under them.
              To say that people are subjected to such medieval forms of punishments in modern time to improve the morals in society is hilarious!
              Such activities simply go underground, never disappear.

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                #8
                This they call the best religion, I will better go and have a drink for the evening!

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                  #9
                  To the non-Muslims who criticise without realising the benefits from the shariah rulings.

                  Shariah is very clear in what brother armoghul has written. Adultery and fornication are major crimes against humanity and against the affected individuals (the spouse). To prevent this a punishment is prescribed, and has acted as an excellent deterrent. In other societies these crimes are rampant. But not so in Muslims.

                  As regards the allegation and proof, the shariah requires that there must be four witnesses who must confirm the actual penetration. If this cannot be provided, the accuser and the accused have to swear under oath. If the accused swears that it is false, the accuser is liable to punishment.

                  So, it is not as you perceive. It is very fair and is in favour of the accused.

                  As regards the worldly punishment, it is much less than the punishment in the Hereafter. That is the reason there are ahadeeth of people who came to Rasool allah and admitted committing the crime so that they could be punished here.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by armughal:
                    The Quran clearly states that those who commit adultery shud be given 100 lashes....
                    stoning to death is also a punishment for adultery as proven from the Hadith of the Prophet (pbuh)....

                    so the Fiqh (or Shari'ah) says that unmarried adultrators be given 100 lashes and married ones be stoned to death....

                    had the Muslim countries themselves and the other religions followed this punishment, we wud not be living in such a shameless world where this sin is no longer regarded as even a bad thing....

                    rightly said...

                    Every relegion has its own steps to overcome the sins. and the punishments suggested by ISLAM and Sahaba's and Prophet Muhammad (SAW) if implemented in real sense then there should be no such sings going on in the country.

                    Islamic Laws are not barbarian and cruel. They are formed so that, the punishment is a sign of terror for others, and no one should even think abt committing such crime after seeing a person getting openly punished.

                    And further more. There is nothing like Socialism, extremism, secularism in ISLAM. The laws are firm, solid, yet flexible, but punishments are strict and painful. and if you change the laws and punishments which re not in coordance with the original form, then it sure isnt islam, or a Islamic country..

                    Islamic laws are strong enough to be disscussed and aletered.



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                      #11
                      Originally posted by FactFinder:
                      To the non-Muslims who criticise without realising the benefits from the shariah rulings.
                      ....
                      brother FactFinder, you can keep up the good work that you are doing, but remember "their hearts (minds) and ears are shut" to the truth.

                      these people want the whole world as "free sex" society where everyone can "enjoy" as they desire. they are lacking definition of "good" and "bad" morality. they can't see evils of "bad" deeds.

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                      May Allah SWT guide us all towards right and help us follow the right

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by anand:
                        Better I do not ask what is civilized in sharyat law.
                        ....
                        what do you know about "civlized"?
                        "civilized" as per "secular" society? "western society"? "religious society"??? or your society?

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                        May Allah SWT guide us all towards right and help us follow the right

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                          #13
                          Anand-

                          One of these days, you'll meet a girl with whom you fall head over heels and eventually get married to her.

                          What if she started committing adultry right from the beginning and it continued for years and years. How would you feel and what is the "civilized" way to deal with the woman you adored?

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                            #14
                            Muni, the answer is plain simple divorce in a courtroom not an inhuman barbaric practise like stoning to death.

                            The laws framed during the time of Prophet(PBUH) had its validity, but the times have changed and so the social structure. The laws may have had its desired effect at that time but in today's world, these kind of punishments are nothing but medieval brutality. Of course you can go on saying nothing can be changed in Islam because it is all divine but that is a different matter.

                            And all your claim of strict punishment will lead to zero crime rate is bit vacuuous. Inspite of harsh Talibanic decrees, prostitution florished in Afghanistan.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Amitayus:
                              Muni, the answer is plain simple divorce in a courtroom not an inhuman barbaric practise like stoning to death.

                              The laws framed during the time of Prophet(PBUH) had its validity, but the times have changed and so the social structure. The laws may have had its desired effect at that time but in today's world, these kind of punishments are nothing but medieval brutality. Of course you can go on saying nothing can be changed in Islam because it is all divine but that is a different matter.

                              And all your claim of strict punishment will lead to zero crime rate is bit vacuuous. Inspite of harsh Talibanic decrees, prostitution florished in Afghanistan.
                              funny isnit it , are you saying that people 14 centuries ago where civilized as you are today ?? Islamic Laws which were formed centuries ago, by Prophet Muhammad are still valid , and even more appropriate now to eliminate the sins and crimes of current age. and it sure isnt a diffrent matter.

                              and about your claim that prostitution florurished in afghanistan is a fake and baseless allegation. yet another effort to distort the image of Talibans.

                              Sins and Crimes of todays age are more severe, brutal , and destructive than ever before. Yous so called highly civilized society has even more severe ways to commit crime, and destructive. ISLAMIC laws are still more versatile, and comprehensive to deal with all sort of situations.

                              Proven over the time..

                              and if you call stonning to death a brutal act, why the hanging of criminals to death is still used all over the death. Islamic way of sentencing a person to death is Hacking the persons head with sword.

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