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    Agah Khanies/Ismailies

    I'm just intrested in finding about these two sects. Any replies relating to the topic would be highly appreciated.
    Thanx.

    #2
    I guess it kinda depends on what sect you belong to b/c i'm pretty sure every sect looks differently on Agha Khanies/Islamilies.

    I also have a question somewhat related to this topic. What's the difference b/w Ahmedis and Qadiyanis? or are they the same?



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      #3
      Bismah,

      Is there anything in particular that you would like to know?

      If not, then I would highly recommend you try another venue to find more of the history/background/beliefs of these people. This forum has not proved to be very satisfactory in the past in responding to queries of a sect related nature.

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        #4
        just do a internet search on the two words and you get oodels of results. I guess you may want to read that first. This venue might be better for a specif question. Expect lots of conteraversy though.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Bismah:
          I'm just intrested in finding about these two sects. Any replies relating to the topic would be highly appreciated. Thanx.
          Ibrahim says: try http://www.mostmerciful.com/ , web site author was an Ex shia priest who finally became a Muslim after a long time preaching about Agah Khanies/Ismailies , he could provide the best, accurate and detailed insider info about them.

          Regards
          Ibrahim

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            #6
            as far as i know they r sects of the shiaa people....
            Both Halal & Haram r evident but between them r doubtful things, most ppl have no knowledge about them. So whoever saves himself from suspicious things saves his religion & honor, & whoever indulges in suspicious things indulges in Haram.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Ibrahim:
              an Ex shia priest who finally became a Muslim
              Can you expand on this please.......coz:

              1. Shias are muslims, so wont it be silly to convert to Islam again?

              2. Shia's dont have Priests just Scholars

              3. Ex?

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                #8
                Originally posted by Bismah:
                I'm just intrested in finding about these two sects. Any replies relating to the topic would be highly appreciated.
                Thanx.
                The agakhanis are the ismailis.
                The ismailis follow the imammi shia branch of islam.
                Try these Official sites of the Ismailis:

                The Institute of Ismaili Studies http://www.iis.ac.uk/
                http://ismaili.net
                http://akdn.org

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                  #9
                  Ahmadis and Qadianis are pretty much the same..just that the term qadiani arose from where the riots took place

                  There is also a difference in the style of decision making, Shia's are more Imam based, while Sunni's generally follow a system based more on consensus building ( both have their advantages...and disadvantages)
                  How can a man die better than facing fearful odds for the ashes of his fathers and the Temple of his Gods?

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                    #10
                    while Sunni's generally follow a system based more on consensus building
                    consensus building on rulings issued by Imams in the first place.. hence hanafi, malki, shafi etc.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Shah Jahan:
                      [B] Can you expand on this please.......coz:
                      Ibrahim says Salaams to all

                      Dear Shah Jahan , when you need explanations always go to the specialists of such fields, I had already given the web site and that person whom I have seen posting on many forums in the past, is a very helpful person he goes to lengths to reeducate the shia since he was one in the past, so he will be the best person to explain. Just check him out for your answers.

                      Was salaam
                      Ibrahim


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                        #12
                        well here in india they are one of the most prosporous communities but i dont think they qualify to be called muslims

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                          #13
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                          Brothers Shah Jahan and Ibrahim: whilst the Ismailis consider themselves to be Shia, and this ex-Ismaili refers in his site to him previously being "Shia Ismaili", it may be worthwhile considering that many muslims such as Shah Jahan who follow Fiqh Jafria do not consider the Ismailis as Shias or even Muslims.

                          Brother Ibrahim, I urge you edit you last post here, because I fear you have used the term "reedducate the shia since he was one in the past". I believe this would offend Shah Jahan, as by this statement you have equated Ismaili beliefs with Shia beliefs; something to which Shah Jahan stongly objects - his opinion, made clear in the past, is that Ismailis are in no way Shias. Brother Ibrahim, equating the Ismailis to Shias is just as offensive to Shah Jahan as equating Ahmadis to Sunnis is to us.

                          Please edit you post to something like "reeducate the Ismailis since he was one in the past."

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                          Having said this, it should be noted that in no Muslim country is there an effort by a mainstream Islamic movement to have the Ismailis declared to be non-muslims.

                          Having had a number of close friends at school who were Ismailis, and having quizzed them considerably about their beliefs, I found that 4 members of the same family had wildly varying beliefs; this principally stops me from subscribing to the view that they are non-muslims, though I remain undecided. Examples:

                          Daughter in family: Declared the Aga Khan to be her god
                          Cousin in family: Declared the Aga Khan to simply be a spiritual leader

                          Daughter in family: Declared that hajj is not obligatory, would never go
                          Son in family: Vehemently insists that he fully intends to go on Hajj during lifetime, argues with sister over this

                          Son in family: Fasting during Ramadan not necessary, though concedes that this is still debated amongst their community
                          Mother in family: Fasting is so obligatory, she still fasted when she was too ill to get out of bed.

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                          Like I said, I've seen wildly varying opinions amongst them. Some views are clearly well out of Islam (such as the daughter saying that the Aga Khan is her god), but others oppose these views.

                          I for one will only decide on the muslim/non-muslim issue when there is broad concensus amongst the majority of scholars as to whether or not the Ismailis are Muslims, in the same way in which the majority of scholars maintain that Ahmadis are not Muslims.

                          [This message has been edited by mAd_ScIeNtIsT (edited February 09, 2002).]
                          Muslims are so good at dividing that they can divide the atom. If you see two Muslims, probably they belong to 3 parties.
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by mAd_ScIeNtIsT:
                            Brother Ibrahim, equating the Ismailis to Shias is just as offensive to Shah Jahan as equating Ahmadis to Sunnis is to us. Please edit you post to something like "reeducate the Ismailis since he was one in the past."
                            Ibrahim says; salaams to all

                            Jazak Allahu Khair Brother mAd_ScIeNtIsT for your valuable comments and insights. Firstly, the web site I am referring to may also expound on shi ism in general and why the author left it or did not switch from ismaili to jafari , although the ismailis can be called the seveners ( 7 imams) and the Jafari the twelver’s (12 Imams), both originate from certain clear principals and both have called themselves shia’s by their own free will.

                            Muslims practice Islam , shia practice what they have concluded as the ‘true” Islam but prefer to call themselves as shia , which is a little odd, since the Prophet (pbuh) assigned to teach Islam did no such thing.
                            We know that this is a very controversial subject and can only lead us to endless arguments and the moderators had already warned us not to proceed any further, which I fully agree as much as I also agree with your point.

                            As much as I agree with you on this, I also feel this is similar to the Protestants and Catholics in Christianity. There were originally Muslims when they followed their prophets but had deviated by inventing their own path and ended up as people of the book in the Qur’an.

                            To be honest in my perspective, there is no such thing as “Sunnis” either in Islam, there is Islam and no other, any other labeling amounts to segregation and deviation from the religion Allah(swt) established for mankind.

                            Let us read..

                            3: 85 If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah) never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good)

                            Ibrahim says: Thus I see little offence in my statements as all I am saying is that he was a Shia and now he is against shia immaterial of what sect of shia he may belong to and we are not deciding who is Muslim and who is not, but affirming that “Islam” has no other labels. That would be the best policy for us to stay away from infighting and become united in resolve.

                            Was salaam
                            Ibrahim


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                              #15
                              I for one will only decide on the muslim/non-muslim issue when there is broad concensus amongst the majority of scholars as to whether or not the Ismailis are Muslims, in the same way in which the majority of scholars maintain that Ahmadis are not Muslims.
                              I don't think it's any person's right to declare another group non-Muslim or Kaafir etc. If you're a Sunni in a majority Ahmadi community, I guess you stand a chance of being declared a kaffir.. doesn't make their beliefs right or wrong neither yours. Judgement is with Allah ALONE.

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