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    Are the People of the Book Kafirs?

    Salaam Alaykum, a friend of my asked the following question:
    "Are the people of the book regarded as kafir (unbelievers), if so then why are muslim men allowed to marry them?"
    Hasnain, Factfinder or Ibrahim looking forward to your answers. I personally believe that when the Qur~ran refers to the People of the Book, it means those Christians and Jews who worshiped only ONE God.
    Was salaam

    #2
    The people are the book are Christians and Jews.
    Kaafir are those who disbeleieve Allah. Jews believe in Eloi( = Allah) and Christians in God(=Allah in islamic termnology), so they cant be kaafir.

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      #3
      kafir=athiest

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        #4
        *laughs* Nice nick Chutney Salaam.

        I understand Kafir = one who does not believe in God, so you're saying that since the Jews and the Christians believe in God they cant be unbelievers. What happens then if they assoicate other gods to God:
        Surah At-Taubah 9:30
        "And the Jews say:"Uzair(Ezra) is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: Messiah is the son of Allah."That is their saying with their mouths, resembling the saying of those who DISBELIVED aforetime. Allah's Curse be on them, how they are deluded away from the truth!
        Dose this not mean that, they are then unbelievers or kafirs?
        Umair, does that mean even if you believe in God but assoicate others onto him as equal you are still a believer?!

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          #5
          If they are unbelievers(Kafirs) any way, why give a special designation like 'People Of The Book' ?
          To distinguish them from people like Hindus?

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            #6
            Andhra
            , I think the reason for that is becasue the Jews and the Christians were given scripture (or Book) to guide them to the righ path, where as the Hindus made stuff up you know about worshipping anything they feel like, although I am of the understanding that they to had prophets to guide them at some stage and they then went far astray. But Im sure Hasanin and Ibrahim or even Saadia can answer your query more better than me.
            was salaam

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              #7
              Originally posted by Mr laparwa:
              "Are the people of the book regarded as kafir (unbelievers),
              Ibrahim say: salaams to all

              Dear Mr. Laparwa. The Qur’an is explicate in conveying………..

              Surah Al-Maida 5:

              13 But because of their ( Jews) breach of their Covenant We cursed them and made their hearts grow hard: they change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the Message that was sent them nor wilt thou cease to find them barring a few ever bent on (new) deceits: but forgive them and overlook (their misdeeds): for Allah loveth those who are kind.


              14 From those too who call themselves Christians We did take a Covenant but they forgot a good part of the Message that was sent them: so We estranged them with enmity and hatred between the one and the other to the Day of Judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done.

              14 O People of the Book! there hath come to you Our Apostle revealing to you much that ye used to hide in the Book and passing over much (that is now unnecessary): There hath come to you from Allah a (new) Light and a perspicuous Book.

              15 Wherewith Allah guideth all who seek His good pleasure to ways of peace and safety and leadeth them out of darkness by His Will unto the light guideth them to a Path that is Straight.


              17 In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Christ the son of Mary. Say: "Who then hath the least power against Allah if His Will were to destroy Christ the son of Mary his mother and all everyone that is on the earth? For to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth and all that is between. He createth what He pleaseth. For Allah hath power over all things."


              18 (Both) the Jews and the Christians say: "We are sons of Allah and His beloved." Say: "Why then doth He punish you for your sins? Nay ye are but men of the men He hath created: He forgiveth whom He pleaseth and He punisheth whom He pleaseth: and to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth and all that is between: and unto Him is the final goal (of all)."


              57: 27 Then in their wake We followed them up with (others of) Our apostles: We sent after them Jesus the son of Mary and bestowed on him the Gospel; and We ordained in the hearts of those who followed him Compassion and Mercy. But the monasticism which they invented for themselves We did not prescribe for them: (We commanded) only the seeking for the Good pleasure of Allah; but that they did not foster as they should have done. Yet We bestowed on those among them who believed their (due) reward but many of them are rebellious transgressors.

              if so then why are muslim men allowed to marry them?"
              5: 82 Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say: "We are Christians:" because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world and they are not arrogant.

              5: 5 This day are (all) things good and pure made lawful unto you. The food of the People of the Book is lawful unto you and yours is lawful unto them. (Lawful unto you in marriage) are (not only) chaste women who are believers but chaste women among the People of the Book revealed before your time when ye give them their due dowers and desire chastity not lewdness nor secret intrigues. If anyone rejects faith fruitless is his work and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good).

              Ibrahim says: Islam allows intermarriage between those who are coming from or are closer to Muslim background (belief in One God, belief in scriptures, belief in angels) and is not exclusive . This is due to the fact that chaste women from such a background are basically Muslims who are in error ( in the sense they are familiar with Allah’s commandments) and could in the course of time redirect themselves If Allah (swt) willed. The Chances of redirection is greater when the leader of the house is rightly guided. In this case a Muslim Husband being the leader may be able to awaken the conscience of the Christian or Jewish women who has adopted the erroneous beliefs. On the other hand a Muslim women marrying a Christian or Jewish man is forbidden because the leader of the house is in error and the chances of the Muslim women following her husband and succumbing to the error is greater. Thus when the Status of the Muslim and his children will remain as a Muslim it is enjoined, when the chances of the Muslim woman and her children status are in danger it is forbidden.

              Any man or woman, of any race or faith, may, on accepting Islam, freely marry any Muslim woman or man, provided it be from motives of purity and chastity and not of lewdness.


              I personally believe that when the Qur~ran refers to the People of the Book, it means those Christians and Jews who worshiped only ONE God. Was salaam
              Ibrahim says : yes, the People of the book the Qur’an refers to and the current people of the book as it is known today are not one and the same in nature or understanding. They have evolved tremendously and Muslims have to undertake serious studies as to determine whether they qualify to be considered as the people of the book.

              This is due to the fact that the pagans (hindus) as referred in the Qur’an were in fact people of the book ( followers of prophet Ibrahim [pbuh]) but had deviated completely and lost that status altogether due to idol worship and alterations of the given scroll to Prophet Ibrahim (pbuh).

              4: 116 Allah forgiveth not (the sin of) joining other gods with Him: but He forgiveth whom He pleaseth other sins than this: one who joins other gods with Allah hath strayed far far away (from the right).

              117 (The pagans) leaving Him call but upon female deities: they call but upon Satan the persistent rebel!

              Ibrahim says: Today Christians call upon Jesus! the name itself is FALSE and earlier christians did not call upon Jesus.

              Allah (swt) know best.

              Was salaam
              Ibrahim

              Forgiveness ……. Read 2:109

              109 Quite a number of the people of the Book wish they could turn you (people) back to infidelity after ye have believed from selfish envy after the truth hath become manifest unto them; but forgive and overlook till Allah accomplish His purpose; for Allah hath power over all things



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                #8
                Originally posted by Andhra:
                If they are unbelievers(Kafirs) any way, why give a special designation like 'People Of The Book' ? to distinguish them from people like Hindus?
                Ibrahim says: Greetings of peace to one and all

                This is to identify that group of people who are considered having received the Torah, Zabur and Injeel and not others prior to them. In this manner one can separate those who are some what corrupted from those who are totally corrupted in their understanding of their Creator.

                In truth the current Hindus are actually deviants of the Prophet Ibrahim (pbuh) and his descendents , yet we can see that they have no links whatsoever to such an understanding in this time frame. Thus they cannot be called people of the book but as pagans only

                Regards
                Ibrahim


                it is not how low you fall but how high you bounce!


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                  #9
                  Well if Kafir is a person who does not believe in God; why were the Mushreqeen of Mekka (of the ABrahimi faith) called as Kafirs. They did believe in "Allah" and beside Allah they belived in their stone idols as well????????????????????????

                  Athiest can't be the translation of a Kafir.

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                    #10
                    >>In truth the current Hindus are actually deviants of the Prophet Ibrahim (pbuh) and his descendents , yet we can see that they have no links whatsoever to such an understanding in this time frame. Thus they cannot be called people of the book but as pagans only<<<
                    What do you mean? Do you mean that HIndus have any thing to with Prophet Mohammed or his descendents?
                    I tell you Mohammed was an Arab and historically Hindus have no Arab Kings before Islam. Like we had Greek and Scythian kings.


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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Andhra:
                      [BWhat do you mean? Do you mean that HIndus have any thing to with Prophet Mohammed or his descendents?
                      I tell you Mohammed was an Arab and historically Hindus have no Arab Kings before Islam. Like we had Greek and Scythian kings.[/B]
                      Brother Ibrahim has said from descendents from Ibrahim (alaihe salam) not Mohammad (sallallaho alaihe wasallam).

                      All Prophets sent by God were from that line. God sent 124,000 prophets. It is likely that people who gave good messages were from God. Their messages have been distorted beyond recognition, except Bible and Torah.


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                      Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.

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                        #12
                        Brother Ibrahim, thank you very much for your input and time, greatly appreciated.So in light of what you've written I am of the understanding that the current Christians do not or maynot be classified as people of the book due to their belief in the Trinity?

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                        Originally posted by Andhra:
                        [BWhat do you mean? Do you mean that HIndus have any thing to with Prophet Mohammed or his descendents?
                        I tell you Mohammed was an Arab and historically Hindus have no Arab Kings before Islam. Like we had Greek and Scythian kings.[/B]
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                        FactFinder thankyou for pointing out to Andhra his "mistake".

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                          #13
                          salaam all,
                          I think the confusion here is quiet siple. The adjective 'ahl-al kitaab' is not one that describes one's religious standing. It is a description of a certain group of kaafir's. Mainly because they are a group of people to whom many messengers were sent and those messengers carried books to their people. It is like kaafirs as a whole ahl-an naar (people of hell fire) Just becasue they are addressed by a different name does not make them msulims.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Mr laparwa:
                            So in light of what you've written I am of the understanding that the current Christians do not or may not be classified as people of the book due to their belief in the Trinity?
                            Ibrahim says; Salaams to all

                            This is simple to understand, in the sense that, we do not consider the ahmedia / qadiani as Muslims because they have differed grossly from Islam . Again even amongst the shia, there are those that are closer to Islam than others, some actually claim Ali (ra) is Allah ( nauzubillah) and others, Aga Khan as their god. Thus the definitions may change according to the path taken by the individuals.

                            Yet we do not call them “kafirs” by name, although we know they are “unbelievers” , as much as possible since so long as they are alive , they is always a chance that they could change and become a Muslim and at that point and time they become our brother or sister in faith.

                            In this manner the people of the book also differ amongst themselves considerably and there are those amongst them close to what Christ (pbuh) taught and others very far from it . Those that are close to what Christ (pbuh) taught are those that should be considered as “people of the book” and those that have gone into idolatry (like the Catholics today) may not fit this bill today .

                            We must also note that the Catholics about 1000 years ago and the current Catholics are not one and the same in conducting their rituals. I know of some Christians in the Philippines who believe President Marcos is their god and worship him as christ.

                            Thus since even the Christians are not sure as to who is the Christian and who is not although they may all call themselves Christians. , Hence we too have a problem identifying who should fit into the “people of the Book” category at this time frame and have to come to a consensus at some future date and time.

                            Nevertheless all human beings immaterial of race or creed, that are born on this planet are Muslims at birth, but get converted to other faiths and paths by their parents and environmental circumstances and the chance of Allah (swt) guiding them back to become a Muslim is always there and we should not be the one to judge them by calling them as “kafirs” but know within ourselves that they have indeed uttered unbelief or are practicing unbelief.

                            Kafir implies:-

                            a person who refuses to submit himself to Allah, a disbeliever in Allah. Kafir in the most general sense may be translated as "Unbeliever"

                            Kafara implies:-

                            1) to reject Faith
                            2) to be ungrateful for mercies and favors received,
                            3) to resist Allah or Faith,
                            4) to deny (the Signs of Allah) or deny the mission of Messengers

                            Kufr implies:-

                            to show ungratefulness to Allah and not to believe in Him and His religion.


                            Allah (swt) knows best

                            Was salaam
                            Ibrahim


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