A confession from a shia

[ThandyMazaq]

Question:
Alslam Alaium.My family and I were shias.When we found out the truth about shias Mela I become Sunnis because we found in there books alot of chinging in the Holy Quran,they have abooks around 400pageos of prove how is the holy Quran is not the orginal book of God,they said almohdy kept the orgi- nal book,and they talked bad words about prophet Mohammed(p- bh)and his wife Aisha.I found all these things in their book 1-Alkafey part(1)p.g 350.2-Al-anwar al-nuamaneya part(2)p.g- 200.3-Thobot tahreef ktab reb al-arbab.(We have sent down to thee Manifest signs(ayat);and none reject them but those wh- o are perverse Qu.se12.p40#99.We are Muslim God gave us Holy Quran to help, to learn,and to live a happy peaceful life. The amazing thing is the book #3was in Harvard Unevrsity in the library three years ago.(We have,without doubt sent dow- n the messeage;And we will assuredly Guard it(from corruptio n)Qu.se,s15A.P,712.There are alot of profe .I know if you ask any body about the orginal Holy Quran shure he is going to say we belive this one as the orignal, because they belive the (Tokya)which means a lie on purpose.My question is will God will for give me because when I was shia I belived God as a differant way . ALI AL-MOSAWY
Answer:
Dear Br. A. As-Salaamu Alaykum. Concerning your question, no matter what and how many sins a person commits in his past, God will forgive him if he makes a sincere repentence. This is a general rule that you can apply to anything. The conditions of any acceptable repentence are the following: 1-to regret the past condition, belief, or act, 2-to ask Allah for forgiveness with sincerity and devoutness, and 3-to commit yourself not to repeat it in the future. Ramadan Mubarak. If you have any questions in the future, please don't hesitate to ask us.
Source:
IslamiCity http://islamicity.com/qa/
truely an eye opener, and since it is from a former shia, its credebility can not be doubted.

[Shah Jahan]

What rubbish from an Ismaili Shia! I could spit on him!

Let it be know loudly and clearly!

Ismaili Shia belive in different Quran and they do not belive in the 12(they have many hundreds) they are not true Shia and they have veered away from the mainstream shia sect.

They call themselves Shia but they are not.



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[R_B_B]

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[Ali_R]

Originally posted by Shah Jahan:


What rubbish from an Ismaili Shia! I could spit on him!

Is this what makes you a true SHIA???

My family respects SHIAs very much (my names says it all: ALI Raza). My father used to join Maglis and more.
My Mum used to do the same.
My parents can report you about enough "YA ALI MADAT" life-safing-incidents (with help of ALLAH (swt) of course).

But 2 things we never did:
1.disrespect other religions & sects
2.to go into extreme.



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[R_B_B]

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[Ali_R]

Originally posted by R_B_B:
ALI R

Are you a shia?

No we are (no more), my ancestors were from IRAN and some of them were and some not. We are from the Sunni side. But this does not matter. I don't care (neither did my ancestors nor my family does) if a person is SHIA, SUNNI (with some tradition of SHIA), ISMAILI, AHMADI or whatever..he has to be human who respects me and my fam. Thats it.
We still have a lot of tradition, which we adopted from our ancestors.

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[R_B_B]

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[Sheraz CT]

Shia basically means the follower of Imam Ali..Prophet said many times to follow Imam Ali after Him ..no shia will say that Imam Ali should have been the Prophet..some ppl might think we love Imam Ali more then Prophet Mohummad..which is not right..we believe whatever happend to Imam Ali after the death of Prophet was unfair to him but we will always be with Imam Ali..that makes us Shia

there is a hadith by Prophet which says "If there was a Prophet after me it would be Ali, but there will be no Prophet after me" ..that shows u the importance of Imam Ali..u can read this hadith in every shia books and even sunni books..just read the virtues of Imam Ali in sunni books online

[FactFinder]

Originally posted by Sheraz CT:
Prophet said many times to follow Imam Ali after Him

Reference please to any of the saha sitta

..no shia will say that Imam Ali should have been the Prophet..some ppl might think we love Imam Ali more then Prophet Mohummad..which is not right..we believe whatever happend to Imam Ali after the death of Prophet was unfair to him but we will always be with Imam Ali..that makes us Shia

You believe, but he did not. He took bayt on the hands of all three Caliphs, married his daughte to one, named his sons after two of them. Aren't you disrespecting Ali (radhi allaho anh) by doing the opposite of what he did?

there is a hadith by Prophet which says "If there was a Prophet after me it would be Ali, but there will be no Prophet after me" ..

Reference please. Any saha sitta will do. In future, reference all quotations as I could also put lot of stuff within inverted commas.

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Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.

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[FactFinder]

Originally posted by Ali_R:
I don't care (neither did my ancestors nor my family does) if a person is SHIA, SUNNI (with some tradition of SHIA), ISMAILI, AHMADI or whatever..he has to be human who respects me and my fam. Thats it.
We still have a lot of tradition, which we adopted from our ancestors.

This is not according to Islamic teachings. We have to live by the Shariah and not by traditions from ancestors. There are specific instructions against this practice during the period of jahiliyah.

Moreover, Ahmadis have been classified as non-Muslim because if their deviation. And, Ismailis are not far behind. The only thing they have is a lot of money and an international backing.



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Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.

[Sheraz CT]

fact finder this wont do anything to u..but here u go anyway
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamen...m/031.smt.html

Book 031, Number 5913:
Amir b Sa'd b. Abi Waqqas reporte (l on the authority of his father that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) addressing 'All said: You are in the same position with relation to me as Aaron- (Harun) was in relation to Moses but with (this explicit difference) that there is no prophet after me. Sa'd said: I had an earnest desire to hear it directly from Sa'd, so I met him and narrated to him what (his son) Amir had narrated to me, whereupon he said: Yes, I did hear it. I said: Did you hear it yourself? Thereupon he placed his fingers upon his ears and said: Yes, and if not, let both my ears become deaf.


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Book 031, Number 5914:
Sa'd b. Abi Waqqas reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) left 'Ali b. Abi Talib behind him (as he proceeded) to the expedition of Tabuk, whereupon he ('Ali) said: Allah's Messenger, are you leaving me behind amongst women 4nd children? Thereupon he (the Holy Prophet) said: Aren't you satisfied with being unto me what Aaron was unto Moses but with this exception that there would be no prophet after me.

[faceup]

Originally posted by FactFinder:

This is not according to Islamic teachings. We have to live by the Shariah and not by traditions from ancestors. There are specific instructions against this practice during the period of jahiliyah.

Moreover, Ahmadis have been classified as non-Muslim because if their deviation. And, Ismailis are not far behind. The only thing they have is a lot of money and an international backing.

FF,
Anybody who wishes to be associated with Orthodox Islam Or the Shariati-Sunnati Islam is a looser!

I think the next to go out of Islam and more importantly all Humanity will be your Wahabiyya/Salafiyya despite all its monies & power.

The Sharia'h that you clamour: Everyone should follow, preaches nothing but hate & violence against women, non muslims, apostates, homos, blasphemers, petty theives, etc and as such, has no chance to survive past this decade.

Reform & become a tolerant creed or have those qualities shoved down your throat,

[PakistaniAbroad]

Moreover, Ahmadis have been classified as non-Muslim because if their deviation

FF they are as deviant as the next sect. Why just single them out.. only because they are in an extreme minority?

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[FactFinder]

Originally posted by faceup:
FF,
Anybody who wishes to be associated with Orthodox Islam Or the Shariati-Sunnati Islam is a looser!

Which shariah do you follow? Then we shall establish who is the loser.

I think the next to go out of Islam and more importantly all Humanity will be your Wahabiyya/Salafiyya despite all its monies & power.

I can smell a loser there.

The Sharia'h that you clamour: Everyone should follow, preaches nothing but hate & violence against women, non muslims, apostates, homos, blasphemers, petty theives, etc and as such, has no chance to survive past this decade.

Prove your statements or fear Allah as you are nothing but.

Reform & become a tolerant creed or have those qualities shoved down your throat,

Tolerance, coming from you? That is the joke of the day. ANybody reading my quotation of your post will know your level of tolerance. As for reforms, Islam does not need reforms. It is people like you who have to reform and come back after getting some education.



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Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.

[FactFinder]

Originally posted by PakistaniAbroad:
FF they are as deviant as the next sect. Why just single them out.. only because they are in an extreme minority?

Are you familiar with their deviation? It is not "as deviant as the next sect". Talk from knowledge otherwise you will craete a fitna.



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Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.