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    In Hinduism, which one is superior?

    MAN(human) or gods?

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    "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"-juvenal

    [This message has been edited by Spanky (edited December 03, 2001).]

    #2
    Doesn't matter. What is more important is that Hindus don't slaughter each other about theological differences

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      #3
      Originally posted by Andhra:
      Doesn't matter. What is more important is that Hindus don't slaughter each other about theological differences
      what an intelligent reply ...

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        #4
        Spanky where are you?
        Incase you are busy searching the Web for Caste Conflicts in Hinduism, don't bother.
        Caste Conflicts, Sati, Bride Burnings etc., are social evils in Hinduism. Not theological differences.
        So start spending your time thinking about how to bring all the sects of Islam together. It is more productive.
        Hinduism will be all right you know. It has been around much before Arabs crossed the Desert on Camels in search of a bath tub

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          #5
          Doesn't matter. What is more important is that Hindus don't slaughter each other about theological differences
          That's true. No killing on theological differences in modern hinduism; Slaughtering is strictly limited to settling caste differences
          JaddoN kaddya jaloos ghareeba tay shehr ich choatalee lug gayee

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            #6
            >>That's true. No killing on theological differences in modern hinduism; Slaughtering is strictly limited to settling caste differences <<
            Actually that is one better. Don't you think. We atleast don't have loonies going arounnd shouting who is Hindu and Who is not.
            You seem to have theological as well as Caste types of slaughter.
            What is the tribalism of Afghans if not Caste in a different disguise?

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              #7
              Andhra, missed me? aww! Caste differences are the worst thing as fundamental characteristic of hinduism. Yes, Muslims kill each other for their theological differences, but that is against our religion. When they kill each other they do something which our religion does no support, does not favor and settlment of those differnces is favored in the religion and is liked. But that is not the case with Hinduism. They cannot shun their caste differences, a hindu brahmin will never let a low caste hindu come into his house, be with him shoulder to shoulder in mundir or any other social activity. Hinduism supports caste oppression but does not support the settlement of those differences or oppression in peaceful manner. There lies difference between Islam and Hinduism.

              Yup, heres what I found on web...man more powerful than a god? lol!!! Just like clay idol is more powerful than a monkey.

              12 YEARS FOR RAMA, BUT ONE DAY TO RAVAN

              To retrieve his wife from devil Ravan, 'god' Rama sought the help of Hanuman, a monkey 'god'. Hanuman agreed to help Rama bring his wife back on condition that 'god' Rama in turn help him (Hanuman) to kill his twin brother prior to undertaking the mission.

              It took more than twelve years for Hanuman to build a bridge and accomplish the task, while Ravan just took Sita and flew to Sri Lanka in just one day's time. Where is the bridge that Rama built? Who is more powerful- 'God' Rama or devil Ravan? Would a 'god' seek the help of another 'god' to murder a third god?

              If Hanuman could fly, carrying big mountains, he should have in the first instance carried and flown 'god' Rama to Sri Lanka, which would have resulted in early rescue of Sita.
              Who knows what Ravan might have done to Sita during this period of twelve years? Definitely a devil would have done only "devilish" things! Before helping 'god' Rama, Hanuman made Rama shoot his own twin brother in the back and only then did Hanuman help 'god' Rama. How can a "god" indulge in such a criminal act for personal gain?



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                #8
                Man is God.
                Atman is Brahman.

                Originally posted by Spanky:
                Hinduism supports caste oppression but does not support the settlement of those differences or oppression in peaceful manner. There lies difference between Islam and Hinduism.
                settlement in a peaceful manner. Islam. funny. There are Islamic peaceful settlements all over the world, aren't there?

                Originally posted by Spanky:
                To retrieve his wife from devil Ravan, 'god' Rama sought the help of Hanuman, a monkey 'god'. Hanuman agreed to help Rama bring his wife back on condition that 'god' Rama in turn help him (Hanuman) to kill his twin brother prior to undertaking the mission.
                Geez, if you're gonna make a point, at least have the characters names correct. Hanuman was an advisor to the King Sugreeva, whose brother Vali stole his wife and his kingdom. For these crimes, Vali was killed. Vali looked like Sugreeva, but was not a twin brother.

                Originally posted by Spanky:
                It took more than twelve years for Hanuman to build a bridge and accomplish the task, while Ravan just took Sita and flew to Sri Lanka in just one day's time.
                It did not take 12 years. It took several days for the monkey army to build a stone bridge by tossing stones into the river until they stacked high enough to make a bridge. Rama was in the forest for 13 years of his 14 year banishment before Ravana stole Sita. In this final year, Rama had to travel down to Lanka and back to Ayodhya. So it is impossible for it to have taken 12 years.

                Originally posted by Spanky:
                Where is the bridge that Rama built? Who is more powerful- 'God' Rama or devil Ravan? Would a 'god' seek the help of another 'god' to murder a third god?
                Unfortunately, you have yet to mention a "god" in this story. Ram and Hanuman were, as the story goes, sons of "gods", but not gods themselves. Traces of the stone bridge can be found, but not corroborated.

                Originally posted by Spanky:

                If Hanuman could fly, carrying big mountains, he should have in the first instance carried and flown 'god' Rama to Sri Lanka, which would have resulted in early rescue of Sita.
                Unfortunately, Ravana and his army would not have let this happen. Remember that Ravana's son almost killed both Rama and Lakshman in the battle that ensued - there was no simple pickup possible. Especially since the whole island was on alert after Hanuman was caught spying on the city.

                Originally posted by Spanky:
                Who knows what Ravan might have done to Sita during this period of twelve years? Definitely a devil would have done only "devilish" things!
                Because of Sita's chastity, Ravana was not able to do anything. It was her virtue, and not his devilishness that helped prevent tragedy. Ravana was not allowed to touch Sita unless she willingly relented, which she did not. When Ravana stole her, he did not touch her.


                Originally posted by Spanky:
                Before helping 'god' Rama, Hanuman made Rama shoot his own twin brother in the back and only then did Hanuman help 'god' Rama. How can a "god" indulge in such a criminal act for personal gain?
                Again, it was not Hanuman's brother. Again, these are not "gods". Hanuman could not help Rama until the situation with Vali was resolved.

                The story of the Ramayana is not about personal gain, but righteousness. You would do well to read it, so that you don't make tremendous factual mistakes again.

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                  #9
                  ***settlement in a peaceful manner. Islam. funny. There are Islamic peaceful settlements all over the world, aren't there?***

                  I said, Islam supports peaceful settlements. Its different thing that due to some circumstances muslims and their opponents do not want peace, yet. But nontheless it supports peaceful settlement rather than fighting and killing. But Hinduism is not same in this case when it comes to Caste differences, as I replied to Andhra that it does not tell you to settle caste differences, because if it did you wouldn't have caste as you fundamental hindu belief that caste system is part of hinduism and brahmins are superior to non-brahmins.

                  ***It did not take 12 years. It took several days for the monkey army to build a stone bridge by tossing stones into the river until they stacked high enough to make a bridge. Rama was in the forest for 13 years of his 14 year banishment before Ravana stole Sita. In this final year, Rama had to travel down to Lanka and back to Ayodhya. So it is impossible for it to have taken 12 years.****

                  So, you are denying your own scriptures?


                  ***Unfortunately, you have yet to mention a "god" in this story. Ram and Hanuman were, as the story goes, sons of "gods", but not gods themselves. Traces of the stone bridge can be found, but not corroborated.***

                  So, in hinduism if you are a son of man you become monkey and not a man, and if you are a son of god you do not become a god? What kinda logic is that? Why excuse the truth by saying son of god is not god. Doesn't make sense.

                  ***Because of Sita's chastity, Ravana was not able to do anything. It was her virtue, and not his devilishness that helped prevent tragedy. Ravana was not allowed to touch Sita unless she willingly relented, which she did not. When Ravana stole her, he did not touch her.***

                  Sita told Rama "You are no better than a womanmonger who lets his wife for hire and makes his livelihood. You want to be profited by my prostitution". Sita also told Rama "You lack in POTENCE, manners and charm" and she called her husband a simpleton.

                  As soon as Sita stepped into Ravan's palace, her love towards Ravan grew more. (Aranya Kandam, Chapter 54).

                  When at length Rama asked Sita to swear about her chastity, she declined and died. (Uttar Kandam, Chapter 97)

                  Kukuvavathy, sister-in-law of Rama, said to him - "Oh Elder! How you love Sita more than you love yourself! Come with me and see what really is in your lovely wife's heart. Still she could not forget that fellow Ravan. Drawing a picture of Ravan on a hand-fan and pressing it closely to her bosom. She is lying on your bed with eyes closed thinking on and rejoicing at Ravan's glories. Rama sighed and went out to Sita's house. There she was found sleeping pressing to her breast the hand-fan on which Ravan's picture was drawn. (This is found in pages 199, 200 of the Bengali Ramayana written by Mrs. Chandravathi).

                  For 12 years a DEVIL did not do anything to sita, wow. But in movies the story goes, the devil(vilain) just rapes the girl immediately. But devil could not, did not, rape or had intercourse with sita and lived or kept her in his possession for 12 long years, as the verses say....unfortunately.

                  ***Again, it was not Hanuman's brother. Again, these are not "gods". Hanuman could not help Rama until the situation with Vali was resolved.

                  The story of the Ramayana is not about personal gain, but righteousness. You would do well to read it, so that you don't make tremendous factual mistakes again.***

                  So, a god no a hindu god cannot do multi-tasking? what kinda god is that? or monkey god is only able to handle affairs of monkies? Not much of a 'god' to me, rather a made up character who can't do much other than claim he is god.

                  oh well. I guess, stories change whenever, where-ever they recieve some logical and factual criticism.

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                    #10
                    Spanky you don't get the point yet. You need not believe in Rama to be a Hindu. So how credible Ramayana is besides the point
                    I see you are taking the standard line of defense that sectarian violence is not sanctioned by your religion.
                    You think Caste violence or discrimination is sanctioned by Hinduism?
                    Now before waste your time digging up Hindu scriptures read on.
                    Even if they are, a Hindu can reject those scriptures and still be a Hindu. There are no Mullahs checking on your beards in Hinduism.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by nomaan:
                      what an intelligent reply ...
                      either he is a moron or high on afghan stuff speciall after NA is back.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Abdali:
                        either he is a moron or high on afghan stuff speciall after NA is back.

                        i think he must be high on bhang (hashish) which is called shivji's prasad by hindus


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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Andhra:
                          Spanky where are you?
                          Incase you are busy searching the Web for Caste Conflicts in Hinduism, don't bother.
                          Caste Conflicts, Sati, Bride Burnings etc., are social evils in Hinduism. Not theological differences.
                          So start spending your time thinking about how to bring all the sects of Islam together. It is more productive.
                          Hinduism will be all right you know. It has been around much before Arabs crossed the Desert on Camels in search of a bath tub


                          So why dont u regard the inter-killings as social evils?
                          Just asking.

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                            #14
                            >>So why dont u regard the inter-killings as social evils?Just asking.<<
                            Because they are not. They are based on theological differences. It is as much a religious war as crusades were.
                            As far as Hindus are concerned, when Caste based violence takes place, each side doesn't claim the other side are not Hindus.
                            Does that answer your question?

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Spanky:
                              Andhra, missed me? aww! Caste differences are the worst thing as fundamental characteristic of hinduism. Yes, Muslims kill each other for their theological differences, but that is against our religion. When they kill each other they do something which our religion does no support, does not favor and settlment of those differnces is favored in the religion and is liked. But that is not the case with Hinduism. They cannot shun their caste differences, a hindu brahmin will never let a low caste hindu come into his house, be with him shoulder to shoulder in mundir or any other social activity. Hinduism supports caste oppression but does not support the settlement of those differences or oppression in peaceful manner. There lies difference between Islam and Hinduism.

                              Yup, heres what I found on web...man more powerful than a god? lol!!! Just like clay idol is more powerful than a monkey.

                              12 YEARS FOR RAMA, BUT ONE DAY TO RAVAN

                              To retrieve his wife from devil Ravan, 'god' Rama sought the help of Hanuman, a monkey 'god'. Hanuman agreed to help Rama bring his wife back on condition that 'god' Rama in turn help him (Hanuman) to kill his twin brother prior to undertaking the mission.

                              It took more than twelve years for Hanuman to build a bridge and accomplish the task, while Ravan just took Sita and flew to Sri Lanka in just one day's time. Where is the bridge that Rama built? Who is more powerful- 'God' Rama or devil Ravan? Would a 'god' seek the help of another 'god' to murder a third god?

                              If Hanuman could fly, carrying big mountains, he should have in the first instance carried and flown 'god' Rama to Sri Lanka, which would have resulted in early rescue of Sita.
                              Who knows what Ravan might have done to Sita during this period of twelve years? Definitely a devil would have done only "devilish" things! Before helping 'god' Rama, Hanuman made Rama shoot his own twin brother in the back and only then did Hanuman help 'god' Rama. How can a "god" indulge in such a criminal act for personal gain?



                              hi spanky
                              whatever religion u may belong to but u have read (atleast you known something abt ramayana)

                              i appreciate you regarding this
                              u will be very succesfull in life due to this
                              grace of god rama will be on you
                              all your dreams will come true

                              continue forever
                              good luck spanky

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