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    Pak should follow Turkey & Scrap Sharia'h

    Congartulations goes to Turkey

    Turkey's parliament has ratified changes to a 76-year-old civil code to make men and women equal before the law.

    Turkey rejected Islamic law in favour of a more secular legal code decades ago, but the civil code that was in use did not legally treat men and women as equals, proclaiming men as the heads of households and requiring women to seek permission from their husbands in order to work.

    After a month of debate, the Turkish parliament has adopted a far-reaching revision to this code, formally recognising men and women as equals.

    Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/wor...00/1673470.stm

    Should Pak follow suit

    Good sense dictates that Pakistan make similar moves. The dream of establishing a Theocracy is Dead and the Mullahs should go back to serving the population and not imposing their beliefs that by all measures - are illegal.

    What has Pakistan to show from its experiments with Shariah over the past 20+ years?

    Do women & minorities feel safe, protected & honoured under Shariat?


    The incidence of Rapes & Honour Killings (karo kari) are at all times high under Sharia't.

    Rapes, for example, are next to impossible to prosecute under Pakistan's Hadood laws which requires women to provide Four male, adult & muslim witnesses against the rapist (The Holy Quran, Al-Noor, 24:4).

    In absence of the required witnesses the man goes free and the women charged & incarcerated for having incited the crime. This, by the way, is trumpeted to the West as Superiority of Islamic laws!

    Even if the women are freed they wouldn't last past the week because their own families would murder them in cold blood for having brought shame to their name.

    What about Minorities? How have they fared under the laws of the Sharia'h?

    The sham & organised attacks perpetrated upon Ahmedias, shias, christians, etc are a direct result of Sharia'h's inability to protect them.


    CONCLUSION:
    No dogma is worth the paper it is written on if it cannot cherish human values and teach compassion & tolerance.

    And, the Sharia'h laws - practised in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, UAE, Sudan, Nigeria, etc are precisely that - a dogma, not worth the paper it is written on!


    #2
    And now why would any self - respecting nation want to follow the example of Turkey?

    Trukey has one the THE most repressive regimes in the world. It has serious Human Rights Abuse cases, which is why its entree into the EU is debated upon. Where is the so - called equality and freedom for women, who want to CHOOSE to wear Hijab, and are not allowed to? [There is a Huge outcry about the Women in Afghanistan being forced to wear the Burqa, where are champions of Human Rights and Women rights when Women are being forced to REMOVE their Hijab??!!]

    Frankly speaking, I'd rather live in Pakistan, there is MORE freedom for an individual there! So I certainly hope and pray that i won't see the day when Pakistan drops that low...to emulate Turkey!

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      #3
      Problem is not that women don't have equal rights in Pakistan, problem is, Pakistan has double standards. Even going as far back as in the days of seperation, Pakistani women have played a key role whether it was the indepedence struggle or Pakistani politics.

      Similarly, a vast majority of women today work indepedently. Pakistan is one of the most moderate and modern Islamic country in the world in that respect (The other one is Turkey). Women are free to get education, are encouraged these days to work due to economic needs. So the base is already there.

      Problem is that most of the relatively libral and moderate people in Pakistan don't take matters in their hands. They don't raise their voices and let their opinions heard. With all the social practices that indicate otherwise, people still tend to stick to religion when it comes down to it, at least to the name of it, since they are very insecure about their religious beliefs.

      It does not make any other sense when you look at some of the Islamic laws like Hadood ordinance and compare it with how women are so active in every part of social life - whether it's politics, religion, economy, literature, or family. That's hypocrisy and it is due to few selective mullahs and their hardcore, extreme religious propaganda for their own policital gains.

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        #4
        Originally posted by *Khairun Nisa*:
        And now why would any self - respecting nation want to follow the example of Turkey?
        Well, for a muslim country - Turkey offers an alternative to the Shariati states of Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan.
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        posted by *Khairun Nisa*:
        Trukey has one the THE most repressive regimes in the world. It has serious Human Rights Abuse cases, which is why its entree into the EU is debated upon. Where is the so - called equality and freedom for women, who want to CHOOSE to wear Hijab, and are not allowed to? [There is a Huge outcry about the Women in Afghanistan being forced to wear the Burqa, where are champions of Human Rights and Women rights when Women are being forced to REMOVE their Hijab??!!]
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        Agreed that Turkey has ways to go in correcting its human rights records and EU has very correctly pressured Turkey to improve and this " Equal Rights Amendment " for all sexes is a step in that direction. Legislating rights is not always enough, it has to be able to Enforce those guarantees!

        I believe that there was a strong reaction when Turkey barred Parliament members from wearing Hijabs. The striking significance of this is etched firmly:
        Even a fellow muslim sees Hijab associated with Islamic extremism.
        After-all there is no such thing as Moderate islam amongst Ahl As Sunnah wal Jamaat.

        Let me ask you the following and see if you can decipher its significance:

        Has USA or Canada restricted muslimas from her Burqas?

        Has Saudia or Afghanistan protected muslimas rights not to wear Burqas?
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        posted by *Khairun Nisa*:
        Frankly speaking, I'd rather live in Pakistan, there is MORE freedom for an individual there! So I certainly hope and pray that i won't see the day when Pakistan drops that low...to emulate Turkey!
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        Sure Pakistan offers women freedom but only in the Urban centres. The freedom that you & Roman speak about is unknown for the majority of women of Pakistan that are rural, illiterate & poor.

        You may want to read up on Pakistan Human Rights records vis a vis its women & minorities and, it is likely that you consider those as biased and propaganda against Islam.

        You may wish to scrutinize the thousands of women in jails on charges of zinna ( I mentioned about this in my main post).

        You may wish to question the unabated violence being perpetrated against muslim & non-muslim minorities right under the noses of the authorities.

        Finally, you should find out - how many, over the past 20 years, have been charged for commiting crimes against women, shias, ahmedis, christians, low caste muslims, etc.

        If you did this then you would know that Pakistan is in the abyss.


        [This message has been edited by faceup (edited November 29, 2001).]

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          #5
          Originally posted by Roman:
          Problem is not that women don't have equal rights in Pakistan, problem is, Pakistan has double standards. Even going as far back as in the days of seperation, Pakistani women have played a key role whether it was the indepedence struggle or Pakistani politics.
          Roman,
          If women have Equal Rights then those rights are derived from the Secular laws . Pakistan has, as you already know, implemented only certain sections of Sharia'h laws

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          posted by Roman:
          Similarly, a vast majority of women today work indepedently. Pakistan is one of the most moderate and modern Islamic country in the world in that respect (The other one is Turkey). Women are free to get education, are encouraged these days to work due to economic needs. So the base is already there.
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          You are describing Iran after the Shah's monarchy. Even the mullahs & ayatollahs have failed to extinguish the flames that burneths bright in an educated women. Women of Iran are over 90% literate.

          The ayatollahs after taking over tried to reverse back the gains made by the women during the Shah's regime. Now, with Khatami & his moderating force - supported by women, strongly entrenched, the ayatollahs wish that they had dis-enfranchised the iranian women of their vote when they had the opportunity.

          The point I am making is - Educated women of Pakistan would have been suffocated if Pakistan had been swept away by the Islam of the Taleban and relegated to the dark & hopeless abyss by the rigid & regressive Sharia'h.

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          posted by Roman:
          .. tively libral and moderate people in Pakistan don't take matters in their hands. They don't raise their voices and let their opinions heard. With all the social practices that indicate otherwise, people still tend to stick to religion when it comes down to it, at least to the name of it, since they are very insecure about their religious beliefs.
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          How can members of society stand up and be counted when this fear has been firmly instilled that their safety cannot be guaranteed?

          Can I count on authorities to be able to protect me if I spoke out openly against the Establishment - political or religious?

          A lot has to happen in Pakistan before comman man will risk speaking up for his neighbour or friend - muslim or non-muslim. The best hope invariably lies with Education & Prosperity and for that to happen the country needs Democracy.

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          posted by Roman:
          It does not make any other sense when you look at some of the Islamic laws like Hadood ordinance and compare it with how women are so active in every part of social life - whether it's politics, religion, economy, literature, or family. That's hypocrisy and it is due to few selective mullahs and their hardcore, extreme religious propaganda for their own policital gains.
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          It is indeed hypocritical. So, why continue the charade with the Hadood laws when it is obvious it is not working, will never work?

          I agree - women are very active in all fields of life. And - this has happened because Pakistan, in the past, has had moderate governments. But, would a Shariati Govt like the Taleban have alowed this process to continue?

          I guess - we will never know because the threat of Taleban -type theocracy is dead for the short-term and hopefully, enlightened Pakistanis will use this opportunity to strengthen equal rights to Education, Employment, Property, Freedom and Happiness for all its citizens.

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            #6
            Originally
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            It is indeed hypocritical. So, why continue the charade with the Hadood laws when it is obvious it is not working, will never work?

            I agree - women are very active in all fields of life. And - this has happened because Pakistan, in the past, has had moderate governments. But, would a Shariati Govt like the Taleban have alowed this process to continue?

            I guess - we will never know because the threat of Taleban -type theocracy is dead for the short-term and hopefully, enlightened Pakistanis will use this opportunity to strengthen equal rights to Education, Employment, Property, Freedom and Happiness for all its citizens.[/B]
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            Belly up.

            Without knowing (u have no info in profile purposely) whether you are male or female ,.Pakistani or not ,ill assume you r not otherwise you wouldnt be raising thses NON ISSUE.


            When educated Brahmin,like you ,DONT understand that burqa in Afghanistan didnt just apear suddenly in last 10 yrs during Taleban, & listened to RAWA ,there women org. you would know burqa is the least of there concern.


            177 Reasons for the High Status of Women in Islam
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            This is a compilation of all the verses in Quran that refer to "women".


            From 002.TheCow

            49. And when We delivered you from Firon's people, who subjected you to severe torment, killing your sons and sparing your women, and in this there was a great trial from your Lord.

            221. And do not marry the idolatresses until they believe, and certainly a believing maid is better than an idolatress woman, even though she should please you; and do not give (believing women) in marriage to idolaters until they believe, and certainly a believing servant is better than an idolater, even though he should please you; these invite to the fire, and Allah invites to the garden and to forgiveness by His will, and makes clear His communications to men, that they may be mindful.

            222. And they ask you about menstruation. Say: It is a discomfort; therefore keep aloof from the women during the menstrual discharge and do not go near them until they have become clean; then when they have cleansed themselves, go in to them as Allah has commanded you; surely Allah loves those who turn much (to Him), and He loves those who purify themselves.

            228. And the divorced women should keep themselves in waiting for three courses; and it is not lawful for them that they should conceal what Allah has created in their wombs, if they believe in Allah and the last day; and their husbands have a better right to take them back in the meanwhile if they wish for reconciliation; and they have rights similar to those against them in a just manner, and the men are a degree above them, and Allah is Mighty, Wise.

            231. And when you divorce women and they reach their prescribed time, then either retain them in good fellowship or set them free with liberality, and do not retain them for injury, so that you exceed the limits, and whoever does this, he indeed is unjust to his own soul; and do not take Allah's communications for a mockery, and remember the favor of Allah upon you, and that which He has revealed to you of the Book and the Wisdom, admonishing you thereby; and be careful (of your duty to) Allah, and know that Allah is the Knower of all things.

            232. And when you have divorced women and they have ended-- their term (of waiting), then do not prevent them from marrying their husbands when they agree among themselves in a lawful manner; with this is admonished he among you who believes in Allah and the last day, this is more profitable and purer for you; and Allah knows while you do not know.

            235. And there is no blame on you respecting that which you speak indirectly in the asking of (such) women in marriage or keep (the proposal) concealed within your minds; Allah knows that you win mention them, but do not give them a promise in secret unless you speak in a lawful manner, and do not confirm the marriage tie until the writing is fulfilled, and know that Allah knows what is in your minds, therefore beware of Him, and know that Allah is Forgiving, Forbearing.

            236. There is no blame on you if you divorce women when you have not touched them or appointed for them a portion, and make provision for them, the wealthy according to his means and the straitened in circumstances according to his means, a provision according to usage; (this is) a duty on the doers of good (to others).

            241. And for the divorced women (too) provision (must be made) according to usage; (this is) a duty on those who guard (against evil).

            282. O you who believe! when you deal with each other in contracting a debt for a fixed time, then write it down; and let a scribe write it down between you with fairness; and the scribe should not refuse to write as Allah has taught him, so he should write; and let him who owes the debt dictate, and he should be careful of (his duty to) Allah, his Lord, and not diminish anything from it; but if he who owes the debt is unsound in understanding, or weak, or (if) he is not able to dictate himself, let his guardian dictate with fairness; and call in to witness from among your men two witnesses; but if there are not two men, then one man and two women from among those whom you choose to be witnesses, so that if one of the two errs, the second of the two may remind the other; and the witnesses should not refuse when they are summoned; and be not averse to writing it (whether it is) small or large, with the time of its falling due; this is more equitable in the sight of Allah and assures greater accuracy in testimony, and the nearest (way) that you may not entertain doubts (afterwards), except when it is ready merchandise which you give and take among yourselves from hand to hand, then there is no blame on you in not writing it down; and have witnesses when you barter with one another, and let no harm be done to the scribe or to the witness; and if you do (it) then surely it will be a transgression in you, and be careful of (your duty) to Allah, Allah teaches you, and Allah knows all things.

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            From 003.The Family of Imran:

            14. The love of desires, of women and sons and hoarded treasures of gold and silver and well bred horses and cattle and tilth, is made to seem fair to men; this is the provision of the life of this world; and Allah is He with Whom is the good goal (of life).

            41. He said: My Lord! appoint a sign for me. Said He: Your sign is that you should not speak to men for three days except by signs; and remember your Lord much and glorify Him in the evening and the morning. f42. And when the angels said: O Marium! surely Allah has chosen you and purified you and chosen you above the women of of the world.

            61. But whoever disputes with you in this matter after what has come to you of knowledge, then say: Come let us call our sons and your sons and our women and your women and our near people and your near people, then let us be earnest in prayer, and pray for the curse of Allah on the liars.

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            From 004.Women:

            O people! be careful of (your duty to) your Lord, Who created you from a single being and created its mate of the same (kind) and spread from these two, many men and women; and be careful of (your duty to) Allah, by Whom you demand one of another (your rights), and (to) the ties of relationship; surely Allah ever watches over you.

            And if you fear that you cannot act equitably towards orphans, then marry such women as seem good to you, two and three and four; but if you fear that you will not do justice (between them), then (marry) only one or what your right hands possess; this is more proper, that you may not deviate from the right course.

            And give women their dowries as a free gift, but if they of themselves be pleased to give up to you a portion of it, then eat it with enjoyment and with wholesome result.

            Men shall have a portion of what the parents and the near relatives leave, and women shall have a portion of what the parents and the near relatives leave, whether there is little or much of it; a stated portion.

            And as for those who are guilty of an indecency from among your women, call to witnesses against them four (witnesses) from among you; then if they bear witness confine them to the houses until death takes them away or Allah opens some way for them.

            O you who believe! it is not lawful for you that you should take women as heritage against (their) will, and do not straiten them m order that you may take part of what you have given them, unless they are guilty of manifest indecency, and treat them kindly; then if you hate them, it may be that you dislike a thing while Allah has placed abundant good in it.

            And all married women except those whom your right hands possess (this is) Allah's ordinance to you, and lawful for you are (all women) besides those, provided that you seek (them) with your property, taking (them) in marriage not committing fornication. Then as to those whom you profit by, give them their dowries as appointed; and there is no blame on you about what you mutually agree after what is appointed; surely Allah is Knowing, Wise.

            And whoever among you has not within his power ampleness of means to marry free believing women, then (he may marry) of those whom your right hands possess from among your believing maidens; and Allah knows best your faith: you are (sprung) the one from the other; so marry them with the permission of their masters, and give them their dowries justly, they being chaste, not fornicating, nor receiving paramours; and when they are taken in marriage, then if they are guilty of indecency, they shall suffer half the punishment which is (inflicted) upon free women. This is for him among you who fears falling into evil; and that you abstain is better for you, and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

            And do not covet that by which Allah has made some of you excel others; men shall have the benefit of what they earn and women shall have the benefit of what they earn; and ask Allah of His grace; surely Allah knows all things.

            Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

            O you who believe! do not go near prayer when you are Intoxicated until you know (well) what you say, nor when you are under an obligation to perform a bath-- unless (you are) travelling on the road-- until you have washed yourselves; and if you are sick, or on a journey, or one of you come from the privy or you have touched the women, and you cannot find water, betake yourselves to pure earth, then wipe your faces and your hands; surely Allah is Pardoning, Forgiving.

            And what reason have you that you should not fight in the way of Allah and of the weak among the men and the women and the children, (of) those who say: Our Lord! cause us to go forth from this town, whose people are oppressors, and give us from Thee a guardian and give us from Thee a helper.

            And they ask you a decision about women. Say: Allah makes known to you His decision concerning them, and that which is recited to you in the Book concerning female orphans whom you do not give what is appointed for them while you desire to marry them, and concerning the weak among children, and that you should deal towards orphans with equity; and whatever good you do, Allah surely knows it.

            They ask you for a decision of the law. Say: Allah gives you a decision concerning the person who has neither parents nor offspring; if a man dies (and) he has no son and he has a sister, she shall have half of what he leaves, and he shall be her heir she has no son; but if there be two (sisters), they shall have two-thirds of what he leaves; and if there are brethren, men and women, then the male shall have the like of the portion of two females; Allah makes clear to you, lest you err; and Allah knows all things.

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            From 005.The Food:

            5. This day (all) the good things are allowed to you; and the food of those who have been given the Book is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them; and the chaste from among the believing women and the chaste from among those who have been given the Book before you (are lawful for you); when you have given them their dowries, taking (them) in marriage, not fornicating nor taking them for paramours in secret; and whoever denies faith, his work indeed is of no account, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.

            6. O you who believe! when you rise up to prayer, wash your faces and your hands as far as the elbows, and wipe your heads and your feet to the ankles; and if you are under an obligation to perform a total ablution, then wash (yourselves) and if you are sick or on a journey, or one of you come from the privy, or you have touched the women, and you cannot find water, betake yourselves to pure earth and wipe your faces and your hands therewith, Allah does not desire to put on you any difficulty, but He wishes to purify you and that He may complete His favor on you, so that you may be grateful.

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            From 007.The Elevated Places:

            127. And the chiefs of Firon's people said: Do you leave Musa and his people to make mischief in the land and to forsake you and your gods? He said: We will slay their sons and spare their women, and surely we are masters over them.

            141. And when We delivered you from Firon's people who subJected you to severe torment, killing your sons and sparing your women, and in this there was a great trial from your Lord.

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            From 009.Repentance:

            67. The hypocritical men and the hypocritical women are all alike; they enjoin evil and forbid good and withhold their hands; they have forsaken Allah, so He has forsaken them; surely the hypocrites are the transgressors.

            68. Allah has promised the hypocritical men and the hypocritical women and the unbelievers the fire of hell to abide therein; it is enough for them; and Allah has cursed them and they shall have lasting punishment.

            71. And (as for) the believing men and the believing women, they are guardians of each other; they enjoin good and forbid evil and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, and obey Allah and His Apostle; (as for) these, Allah will show mercy to them; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise.

            72. Allah has promised to the believing men and the believing women gardens, beneath which rivers flow, to abide in them, and goodly dwellings in gardens of perpetual abode; and best of all is Allah's goodly pleasure; that is the grand achievement.

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            From 012.Yusuf:

            28. So when he saw his shirt rent from behind, he said: Surely it is a guile of you women; surely your guile is great:

            30. And women in the city said: The chiefs wife seeks her slave to yield himself (to her), surely he has affected her deeply with (his) love; most surely we see her in manifest error.

            50. And the king said: Bring him to me. So when the messenger came to him, he said: Go back to your lord and ask him, what is the case of the women who cut their hands; surely my Lord knows their guile.

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            From 014.Ibrahim:

            6. And when Musa said to his people: Call to mind Allah's favor to you when He delivered you from Firon's people, who subjected you to severe torment, and slew your sons and spared your women; and in this there was a great trial from your Lord.

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            From 024.The Light

            4. And those who accuse free women then do not bring four witnesses, flog them, (giving) eighty stripes, and do not admit any evidence from them ever; and these it is that are the transgressors,

            12. Why did not the believing men and the believing women, when you heard it, think well of their own people, and say: This is an evident falsehood?

            23. Surely those who accuse chaste believing women, unaware (of the evil), are cursed in this world and the hereafter, and they shall have a grievous chastisement.

            26. Bad women are for bad men and bad men are for bad women. Good women are for good men and good men are for good women

            31. And say to the believing women that they cast down their looks and guard their private parts and do not display their ornaments except what appears thereof, and let them wear their head-coverings over their bosoms, and not display their ornaments except to their husbands or their fathers, or the fathers of their husbands, or their sons, or the sons of their husbands, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or those whom their right hands possess, or the male servants not having need (of women), or the children who have not attained knowledge of what is hidden of women; and let them not strike their feet so that what they hide of their ornaments may be known; and turn to Allah all of you, O believers! so that you may be successful.

            60. And (as for) women advanced in years who do not hope for a marriage, it is no sin for them if they put off their clothes without displaying their ornaments; and if they restrain themselves it is better for them; and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.

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            From 027.The Ant:

            55. What! do you indeed approach men lustfully rather than women? Nay, you are a people who act ignorantly.

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            From 028.TheNarrative:

            4. Surely Firon exalted himself in the land and made its people into parties, weakening one party from among them; he slaughtered their sons and let their women live; surely he was one of the mischiefmakers.

            23. And when he came to the water of Madyan, he found on it a group of men watering, and he found besides them two women keeping back (their flocks). He said: What is the matter with you? They said: We cannot water until the shepherds take away (their sheep) from the water, and our father is a very old man.

            25. Then one of the two women came to him walking bashfully. She said: My father invites you that he may give you the reward of your having watered for us. So when he came to him and gave to him the account, he said: Fear not, you are secure from the unjust people.

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            From 003.The Allies:

            32. O wives of the Prophet! you are not like any other of the women; If you will be on your guard, then be not soft in (your) speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease yearn; and speak a good word.

            35. Surely the men who submit and the women who submit, and the believing men and the believing women, and the obeying men and the obeying women, and the truthful men and the truthful women, and the patient men and the patient women and the humble men and the humble women, and the almsgiving men and the almsgiving women, and the fasting men and the fasting women, and the men who guard their private parts and the women who guard, and the men who remember Allah much and the women who remember-- Allah has prepared for them forgiveness and a mighty reward.

            49. O you who believe! when you marry the believing women, then divorce them before you touch them, you have in their case no term which you should reckon; so make some provision for them and send them forth a goodly sending forth.

            52. It is not allowed to you to take women afterwards, nor that you should change them for other wives, though their beauty be pleasing to you, except what your right hand possesses and Allah is Watchful over all things.

            55. There is no blame on them in respect of their fathers, nor their brothers, nor their brothers' sons, nor their sisters' sons nor their own women, nor of what their right hands possess; and be careful of (your duty to) Allah; surely Allah is a witness of all things.

            58. And those who speak evil things of the believing men and the believing women without their having earned (it), they are guilty indeed of a false accusation and a manifest sin.

            59. O Prophet! say to your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers that they let down upon them their over-garments; this will be more proper, that they may be known, and thus they will not be given trouble; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

            73. So Allah will chastise the hypocritical men and the hypocritical women and the polytheistic men and the polytheistic women, and Allah will turn (mercifully) to the believing women, and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

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            From 040.The Believer:

            25. So when he brought to them the truth from Us, they said: Slay the sons of those who believe with him and keep their women alive; and the struggle of the unbelievers will only come to a state of perdition.

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            From 047.Muhammad:

            19. So know that there is no god but Allah, and, ask protection for your fault and for the believing men and the believing women; and Allah knows the place of your returning and the place of your abiding.

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            From 048.The Victory:

            5. That He may cause the believing men and the believing women to enter gardens beneath which rivers flow to abide therein and remove from them their evil; and that is a grand achievement with Allah

            6. And (that) He may punish the hypocritical men and the hypocritical women, and the polytheistic men and the polytheistic women, the entertainers of evil thoughts about Allah. On them is the evil turn, and Allah is wroth with them and has cursed them and prepared hell for them, and evil is the resort.

            25. It is they who disbelieved and turned you away from the Sacred Mosque and (turned off) the offering withheld from arriving at its destined place; and were it not for the believing men and the believing women, whom, not having known, you might have trodden down, and thus something hateful might have afflicted you on their account without knowledge-- so that Allah may cause to enter into His mercy whomsoever He pleases; had they been widely separated one from another, We would surely have punished those who disbelieved from among them with a painful punishment.

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            From 057. The Iron:

            12. On that day you will see the faithful men and the faithful women-- their light running before them and on their right hand-- good news for you today: gardens beneath which rivers flow, to abide therein, that is the grand achievement.

            13. On the day when the hypocritical men and the hypocritical women will say to those who believe: Wait for us, that we may have light from your light; it shall be said: Turn back and seek a light. Then separation would be brought about between them, with a wall having a door in it; (as for) the inside of it, there shall be mercy in it, and (as for) the outside of it, before it there shall be punishment.

            18. Surely (as for) the charitable men and the charitable women and (those who) set apart for Allah a goodly portion, it shall be doubled for them and they shall have a noble reward.

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            From 060.The Examined One:

            10. O you who believe! when believing women come to you flying, then examine them; Allah knows best their faith; then if you find them to be believing women, do not send them back to the unbelievers, neither are these (women) lawful for them, nor are those (men) lawful for them, and give them what they have spent; and no blame attaches to you in marrying them when you give them their dowries; and hold not to the ties of marriage of unbelieving women, and ask for what you have spent, and kt them ask for what they have spent. That is Allah's judgment; He judges between you, and Allah is Knowing, Wise.

            12. O Prophet! when believing women come to you giving you a pledge that they will not associate aught with Allah, and will not steal, and will not commit fornication, and will not kill their children, and will not bring a calumny which they have forged of themselves, and will not disobey you in what is good, accept their pledge, and ask forgiveness for them from Allah; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

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            From 065.The Divorce:
            O Prophet! when you divorce women, divorce them for~ their prescribed time, and calculate the number of the days prescribed, and be careful of (your duty to) Allah, your Lord. Do not drive them out of their houses, nor should they themselves go forth, unless they commit an open indecency; and these are the limits of Allah, and whoever goes beyond the limits of Allah, he indeed does injustice to his own soul. You do not know that Allah may after that bring about reunion.

            And (as for) those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, if you have a doubt, their prescribed time shall be three months, and of those too who have not had their courses; and (as for) the pregnant women, their prescribed time is that they lay down their burden; and whoever is careful of (his duty to) Allah He will make easy for him his affair.

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            From 071.Nuh:

            28. My Lord! forgive me and my parents and him who enters my house believing, and the believing men and the believing women; and do not increase the unjust in aught but destruction!

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            From 085. The Mansions Of The Stars:

            10. Surely (as for) those who persecute the believing men and the believing women, then do not repent, they shall have the chastisement of hell, and they shall have the chastisement of burning.




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              #7
              Is Sharia and Islam the same?

              Because one country decides that what suits its clergy and politicins is termed "Sharia", doesn't necessarily make it so.

              In order to understand what is truly required for Islamic law, one needs not only a knowledge of the religion but of the evolution of religious thought in a historical, cultural and social perspective.

              Many muslims are very rigid and make out that Islam is excatly the same as it was in Saudi Arabia 1400 years ago. I dont think we have a real idea of what it WAS like, and I don't think we realise how much our social and cultural conditions influence what we understand about religion.

              Maybe we can consider that Islam institued a concept of social change that was alien to many cultures then, and perhaps even now. Instead of understanding the impetus for change and improvement, the situation simply crystallised.

              Something to think about.

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                #8
                Turkey used to be a great nation, a great role model. But since Ataturk the dog came along he changed everything. He changed the shariah laws, he changed the Arabic script, he basically changed everything. His example for Islam is not the right one, so who in there right minds want to become like Turkey? Turkey is a great nation, once the gateway to the world, Inshallah the Ottoman Turks sprit will live on in the Turkish people of today.

                I once read a book on Mustafa Kamal, just to see what went through his lil head. I don't believe he even had any children. I know that he had adopted daughters but I don't no about any real children of his own. I guess his teacher was right when he gave him the name 'Kamal', because thats what he was full of.
                I LOVE IT WHEN PAKIS HATE ME!

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                  Originally posted by Shirin:
                  Is Sharia and Islam the same?
                  Because one country decides that what suits its clergy and politicins is termed "Sharia", doesn't necessarily make it so.
                  Dear Shirin,

                  That's a good point. Many tend to confuse and link Sharia'h as the Quran and this is hardly the case. Sharia'h are sub-sets of the Fiqhs of Islam.

                  Islam has its Fiqhs, Taqleeds & Tariqats and Fiqhs have their own Sharia'h based on their understanding of Quran & Sunnah.

                  So, the Four Sunni Fiqhs have their own respective Sharia'h, just like the Shia Fiqhs have their own Sharia'h.

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                  posted by Shirin:
                  In order to understand what is truly required for Islamic law, one needs not only a knowledge of the religion but of the evolution of religious thought in a historical, cultural and social perspective.
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                  You are describing an evolving Sharia'h that fits the time & place.

                  Sure, there are new guidance being put out by various fiqhs on matters that are new but overall - the custom & practise remains rigid . What is missing, for most, is a flexible & evolving set of Sharia'h laws.

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                  posted by Shirin:
                  Many muslims are very rigid and make out that Islam is excatly the same as it was in Saudi Arabia 1400 years ago. I dont think we have a real idea of what it WAS like, and I don't think we realise how much our social and cultural conditions influence what we understand about religion.
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                  Islam is all about interpretations. For majority this interpretation is centred & frozen wholly around the literal Sunnah as compiled by Bukhari, Muslim, etc.

                  Since - all sunnis, majority of shias have concluded that the 7th century Sunnah is the panacea of all time to come, it has tend to make Islam rather rigid and in many cases out of place.

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                  posted by Shirin:
                  Maybe we can consider that Islam institued a concept of social change that was alien to many cultures then, and perhaps even now. Instead of understanding the impetus for change and improvement, the situation simply crystallised.

                  Something to think about.

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                  Islam instituted a concept of social change but the scholars - the custodian of Islam, decided to freeze Islam in that image in which Islam was delivered or the 7th century.

                  What is the solution?

                  We will see more sects, probably of the Sufi varieties taking form and eventually one major Sunni sect will decide to split away from Ahl As Sunnah wal Jamaat and institute Ijthihad/Reforms on its own.

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