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    Two Scholars Who Dared to Speak up.

    Innal-Hamdalillah was-Salaatu was-Salaamu 'Alaa Rasoolillah
    as-Salaamu 'Alaikum wa-raHmatullahi wa barakaatuh


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    SHEIKH IBN JIBREEN'S FATWA ON AIDING THE TALIBAAN
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    In the Name of Allah, the Most Merciful, the Bestower of Mercy

    The eminent Sheikh al-Allaamah, ‘Abdullaah ibn ‘Abdur-Rahmaan ibn Jibreen, may Allah bless you.

    Question: It is not hidden from you what has befallen our brothers in Afghanistan, from the hardships of the enemies of Allah besieging them, and constrained livelihood, and lack of helpers and aides, and by being fiercely attacked from all directions by the enemies of Islam upon this state [The Taliban State of Afghanistan]. In spite of it all, [the government] does not cease to be firm in establishing the laws of Allah on the earth of Allah, and thus they are in need of help and to be allied with in their trial. Therefore, what is the ruling regarding aiding this movement with wealth, persons and supplications? What are your directions for the students of knowledge and the competent, skilful people? May Allah reward you with good.

    Response:

    Praise be to Allah and that suffices, and peace be upon His chosen slaves.

    To proceed: When the Muslims throughout the world come to know that a group from their brothers have been oppressed and harmed, it becomes obligatory upon them to aid them and to strive to help them with whatever they can from the wealth, persons, opinions and statements. [Especially] when we know of the State of Taliban in Afghanistan that it rules with the Laws of Allah, establishes the Islamic education [system], prevents the means to Shirk, demolishes worshipped objects and idols, exhibits the manifestation of Islam by announcing the call for prayers, establishes the Friday [prayers] and congregational [prayers], prohibits sins and the forbidden acts, as indeed these are all apparent signs of their good intentions and sound faith. And since the Kafir states, such as the Christian, the Jews, the Communists and the Atheists, all of them, are against the correct [version of] Islam, and similarly the Kafir innovators, for verily it is obligatory upon the Muslims to help their brothers in this [Taliban] State of Muslims, and to endeavour to repel the plots of their enemies, those who seek to cripple the Muslims’ movement and to exterminate them.

    For Allah the Exalted has said:

    “And co-operate upon righteousness and piety”,

    and in the Hadeeth:

    “Make Jihaad against the Mushrikeen with your wealth, your persons and your tongues”.

    The Muslims should aid their brothers with wealth and men, and should increase in their supplications for them, for victory and dominion, as Allah is the one who responds to calls of those who supplicate, and indeed He is All-Hearing and Near.

    Stated and Written by
    'Abdullaah ibn 'Abdur-Rahmaan al-Jibreen
    The retired member of al-Ifta.

    And may the Salaah and Salaam be upon Muhammad, and his followers and companions.

    [Signed]
    http://anahona.vr9.com/fatwa1.jpg

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    SHEIKH HUMOOD BIN UQLA ASH-SHU'AIBI'S FATWA ON THE RECENT EVENTS
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    Q: To proceed, Sheikh Hamood ibn 'Abdullaah ash-Shu'aybee, there have been a lot of talks on what happened in America some supporting and blessing others opposing and condemning it. What is the correct stand in these two opinions according to your view? We similarly hope you will go into details in the issue because of the ambiguities in it.

    A: Praise is due to Allah Lord of the Worlds, may the Salaat and Salaam be with the unlettered Prophet, his family, his companions and all who live according to his path till the Day of Judgment.

    Before answering the question we should know that whatever decision the non- Muslim state, America, takes -especially critical decisions which involve war - it is taken based on opinion poll and/or voting within the house of representatives and senate, which represent directly, the exact opinion of the people they represent - the people of America - through their representatives in the Parliament. Based on this, any American who voted for war is a like a fighter, or at least a supporter, as we will explain later.

    Let it also be understood that the guide and final decision on the interactions of Muslims with the Unbelievers are the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of His Prophet may the Salat and Salam be with him; And not politics or personal benefits. And the Qur'an has explicitly explained this issue and clarified it because of its importance and danger. When we refer to the Qur'an we realize that it has left no one in doubt nor did it leave any gay areas on this issue.

    And all the various verses which discuss this issue emphasize two things, namely Al-Walaa' (love and alliance) and Al-Baraa'ah (hate and opposition), which confirms the fact that Al-Walaa' and Al-Baraa'ah are strong pillars in the Islamic Shari'ah, an issue on which the scholars - both the past and contemporary - have consensus. Allah says warning against Loving the unbelievers, taking sides with them and leaning towards them:

    "O believers! Take not Jews and Christians as your (protecting) friends, they are allies of one another. Whosoever allies with them, amongst you, then he is one of them..."

    "O Believers! Do not take My enemy and your enemy, as friends, giving them your affection..."

    And Allah said: "O Believers! Take not private friends from among your enemies expressing open love to them.."

    And He said on the necessity of rejecting the unbelievers "certainly you had an excellent example in Ibrahim and those with him, when they said to their people we are free from you and from whatever ye worship other than Allah, we have rejected you hostility has stated between us and you till the Day of Judgment..." And the Exalted said: "Never will you find a people who believe in Allah and the Last Day making friendships with those oppose Allah and His messenger even though they were their parents or their sons.."

    And the Exalted and praised said: "Say: if your parents, your children, your brothers, your wives, your kindred, the weath you have acquired, the commerce in which you fear decline, or the dwellins you are pleased with, are dearer to you than Allah and His Messenger and striving hard and fighting in His cause, then wait until Allah brings His Decision. And Allah guides not the Fasiqun (rebellious, disobedient)"

    These verses and tens of others are clear statements on the obligation and necessity of opposing unbelievers and hating them, as well as rejecting them. And I don't think any person with the slightest level of knowledge is ignorant of this.

    Having said this, you should know that America is a Kufr State that is totally against Islam and Muslims. In fact it has reached the peak of that arrogance in the form of open attacks on several Muslim Nations as it did in Sudan, Iraq, Afghanistan, Philistine, Libya and others, where it - America - allied with the forces of Kufr such as Britain, Russia and others in attacking and trying to exterminate them. Similarly, America expelled the Palestinians from their homes and housed the 'brothers of Pigs and Apes' in them; and stood firmly in support of the criminal Zionist State of the Jews, giving them all they need in the form of wealth, weapons and training. How then can America after all these things not be considered an enemy of the Muslim Nations and at war with them?

    But, because they have reached the peak of tyranny and arrogance; because they have seen the collapse of the Soviet Union in the hands of the Muslims in Afghanistan, they thought that they are the Ultimate Power above which there is no power. Unfortunately, they forgot that Allah, the Exalted and Mighty, is Stronger than them and can humble and destroy them.

    On the other hand, it is unfortunate and disturbing to see that a lot of fellow scholars have preferred the side of mercy and emotion and forgotten or ignored what that Kufr Nation (America) is doing such as killing, destroying and spoiling most of the Muslim Lands, and showing no mercy or kindness in that.

    Consequently, I find it incumbent upon me to refute some false claims and misconceptions that some fellow scholars are relying upon in trying to support their positions.

    MISCONCEPTION No. 1

    One of them is what I heard from some of them, "that we have agreements and pacts between us and America and hence it is binding on us to fulfil them."

    My response to this is from two points of view:

    1. The person saying this has already concluded that it is Muslims who committed the act, and up to now, no proof of law has been established to the effect that Muslims are behind the attack, or that they participated in it, in which case it may be said that they have broken the covenant. So, since, it is yet to be established that we committed the act, nor that we did partake in its execution, how then can it be said that we have broken the 'Pact'?

    Of course expressing our hatred for those unbelievers and rejecting them has nothing to do with breaking covenants or pacts. It is just something Allah has compelled upon us in clear texts of His Glorious Book.

    2. Even if we accept that there are covenants and pacts between Muslims and America, why then did America not fulfill its side of the agreement?

    Why has it not stopped its aggression and harming a lot of Muslims? Is it not an established fact that: all pacts are binding on both parties; and that whenever they do not fulfill their roles, the pact becomes invalid and the covenant broken? Allah the Exalted said:

    "But if they break their covenants after its solemnizing it, and attack your religion, then, fight ye the leaders of Kufr, for they (deserve) no covenant..."

    MISCONCEPTION No. 2

    They say that: "among the victims were some, innocent and sinless"

    Response to this is from several points of view:

    1. Sa'ab bin Jathamah (may Allah be pleased with him) reported from that the Prophet was asked about the people in the homes of Mushrikun (Polytheist) when they are attacked at night and their women and children are affected, he said: "they are part of them".

    So, this Hadith shows that women, children and all those the killing of whom is forbidden, when they are separate, it is permissible to kill them when they are mixed up with the fighters and it is not possible to separate. This is because they had asked the Prophet about the case which is "attacking at night", in which case it is not possible to differentiate, and he permitted them because "things may be allowed when they occur along the way but be forbidden when separate".

    2. Also, Muslim commanders have always used Catapult when fighting the Kuffar (a kind of weapon that was used in the past when trying to break into an enemy camp which is fully fortressed - it destroys whatever it meets by its weight, i.e. something like a catapult - translator), and it is obvious that a Catapult when applied in a war does not differentiate between a fighter and others, hence it may afflict some those so-called 'innocent souls', but that not withstanding this is an established practice among Muslims in their wars.

    Ibn Qudamah may Allah have mercy on him, said: "And it is permissible to use Catapult because the Prophet may the Salaat and Salaam be with him used Catapult on the people of Ta'if; and Amr bin al-As did the same to the people of Alexandria (Al-Mughniy, vol. 10, p503).

    And Ibn al-Qasim said "it is permissible to use Catapult against Kuffar even if children, women and old men and monks are killed inadvertently, because 'Nikayah' (doing what will weaken the enemy) is allowed according to the consensus of Ulama. Ibn Rushd said: "'Nikayah' is permissible according to Ijama' and on any type of polytheists" (Al-Hashiyah ala' Ar-Raudh, vol. 4, p 271)

    Here, there is a question we will like to ask those who use the word "Terrorism" on what happened in America, and I want their reply.

    The question is: When America attacked a Pharmaceutical firm in Sudan, using its planes and bombs, destroying it and killing everybody in it, staff and laborers, what was this called? Shouldn't the action of America in the Sudanese firm be considered as an act of terrorism? Else how can what those people did in America be treatest as an act of terrorism? Why is everybody condemning and rejecting what was done to those buildings in America and yet we did not hear any such condemnations on the destruction caused by America in the Sudanese firm?

    I certainly don't see any difference between the two acts, except that the money that was used in building the firm is Muslims' and the workers and staff killed by destroying the firm were Muslims; Whereas, the buildings destroyed by those hijackers was built with the money of non-Muslims and the victims of the explosion were non-Muslims.

    So, is this the difference that made some fellow brothers to call what happened in America 'Terrorism'!! While at the same time they neither condemned what happened in Sudan, nor called it TERRORISM?

    Similarly, what happened to the Libyans of deliberate and imposed 'starvation'; 'starvation' of the Iraqis plus almost daily attacks; the sanctions and attacks launched against Afghanistan, a Muslim Nation: all these, why are they not termed "terrorism"? What else can we term them if not terrorism?

    In addition, we should ask those people, what do you mean by "innocent and sinless"?

    Those are one of three categories/groups:

    The first category:

    They may be among those who neither fought, nor supported their country by their persons, wealth or opinion and suggestions or anything else. It is not permissible to kill this category, on condition that they can be differentiated from the rest, but if they are mixed up such that they can't be separated, then it is allowed to kill them along with the others and by extension, like old men, women, children, the sick and the disabled or devoted monks.

    Ibn Qudamah said: "It is allowed to kill women and children in night attacks and in demolished buildings or ditches, so far as the intention is not to kill them in particular; And it is allowed to kill their (the enemies') animals as a means for killing and subduing them; there is no difference of opinion on this." (Al-Mughniy, with the Sharh -commentary, 10/503)

    Similarly he said: "It is permissible to attack enemies at night. Ahmad bin Hanbal said: 'there is no problem with night attacks, were the Romans not attacked at night?' And he said: 'we don't know anybody who disliked night attacks" (Al-Mughniy 10/503)

    The second category: Or, they (the victims) may be part of those who did not participate directly in the war but helped with their wealth or opinions, these cannot be called "innocent", nay they are among the fighters and part of the strength of the enemy.

    Ibn Abdil Barr may Allah has mercy on him, said in Al-Istizkar: "There is no dispute among the scholars that whoever fights among women or old men, killing him is allowed, similarly, any child capable of fighting , if he does may be killed." (Al-Istizkar vol. 14, p 74). Similarly, Ibn Qudamah reported the Ijamaa' on killing women, children and old men if they help their people; Ibn Abdil Barr said: "They have a concensus on the fact that the Prophet killed Duraid bin on the Day of the Battle of Hunayn because he was an experienced in war and contributed his opinions. Thus whoever is like that among old men deserves to be killed according to all (scholars). (At-Tamheed, vol. 16 p 142)

    And an-Nawawi, may Allah have mercy on him related the Ijama' (in Sharh Muslim in "the Book of Jihad") that elderly men among the non-Muslims should be killed if they have knowledge of war strategies.

    Ibn Qasim also quoted in Al-Hashiyat that: "they had Ijmaa' that the ruling concerning any strategist is that of any fighter in Jihad. This Ijmaa' was reported from Ibn Taimiyyah. Similarly, he related from Ibn Taimiyyah that "those who assist a group and their helpers are (to be considered) part of them, in whatever is for or against them"

    The third Category:

    Or they may be Muslims, and it is not permissible for these to be killed separately; But when they are mixed up with others in such a way that they have to be killed with them, then it is allowed, and these is the case known as 'Mas'alatut Tatarrus' (when non-Muslims hold Muslims as shield against attack), which was discussed earlier.

    Thus, what many are babbling and repeating on the case of the "innocent victims", is nothing but the effect of the West and its media, to the extent that many an unwary person repeats the words and expressions of our enemies, which are in direct contradiction with the expressions of Shari'ah.

    Let us not, also, forget that it is permissible for us to treat non-Muslims similar to the way they treated us; and in this there is a reply and clear proof to all those who repeat the words "innocent victims", because Allah the Exalted has made that. Among the texts on that:

    "Thus, if you retaliate, retaliate with what equals the aggression afflicted upon you" and He said:

    "...and those whom, when an aggression afflicts them, they revenge, but the reward of an evil is an evil equal to it".

    Also among the sayings of scholars on the permissibility of taking revenge:

    Ibn Taimiyyah said: "it is their right to mutilate. So it is their right to do it in revenge and payback in the same coins, OR they may waive it, but patience is better. This is in a case where the mutilation does not lead to a gain in the Jihad, and it is not for an equal treatment from them (the enemies); But when Mutilating them will lead to their accepting the faith or warn them against another aggression, then, it is - in this case - part of recommended Jihad and retribution." (This was quoted by Ibn Muflih in Alfuru' vol.6 p.218)

    Else, whoever says that there are "innocent victims" without any differentiation between their categories, must accept that he is accusing the Prophet and the Companions and those after them that they killed "innocent victims", according to them! Because the Prophet used Catapult in his war against Ta'if, and it is the nature of Catapult that it does not differentiate.

    Similarly, the Prophet (saw) killed all whom those who had attained puberty among the Jews of Bani Quraidah without differentiating between them.

    Ibn Hazm, commenting on the Hadith that "Banu Quraidah were paraded before the Prophet, and he ordered the killing of all those who had attained puberty", said: "this is a general ruling from the Prophet, since he did not leave out an old man, a merchant, a farmer or any other person; this was related from him with genuine Ijmaa' (Al-Muhallaa vol. 6 p. 299)

    Ibn al-Qayyim said in 'Zaadul Ma'aad': "it is part of his guidance (i.e. the Prophet's) that whenever he made a pact with some people and they broke the covenant, or some of them broke the agreement, and the rest supported them on that , and accepted it; he fights all of them and considers all as having broken the covenant. As he did to Banu Quraizah and Banun Nadheer and Banu Qainuqa', and as he treated the people of Mecca. So this is Sunnah (method or approach to those who betray their covenants.

    Similarly, he said: "Ibn Taimiyyah has certainly ruled that the Christians of Mashriq should be fought when they assisted the enemies of the Muslims against them, and helped them with their wealth and weapons, despite the fact that they did not did not fight us. He considered them to have broken the covenant as Quraish did during the time of the Prophet by helping Banu Bakr bin Wa'il in fighting those in alliance with the prophet"

    In conclusion, we all know that the non Muslim west, especially America will definitely seize this opportunity and utilize that in its favor and through fresh injustice to the Muslims in Afghanistan and Palestine, Chechnya and other areas, whoever the perpetrators may be. And they will try to eradicate Jihad and those who engage in it and it will never succeed; and they will do that in the name of fighting Terrorism; and they will go ahead and fight our brothers in faith, in the Taliban ruled, Muslim Nation of Afghanistan, the only nation that has given a cover for genuine Mujahiddin and assists them at a time when everybody has forsaken them, and who never bowed down to the Non-Muslim Western nations.

    Thus, it is compulsory to assist this Islamic Nation in Jihad, with whatever we can Allah the Exalted says:

    "The Believers, men and women, are helpers of one another"

    And He said "Help each other in righteousness and obedience"

    Thus, it is compulsory to assist them with wealth and persons and opinions and advices and through the Media by defending them and their honor and their public image; and through prayers for them that they vanquish the enemy and have steadfastness.

    And like we said, it is compulsory upon all Muslims to help the Taliban Government it is also equally compulsory upon the Muslim Governments especially the neighboring countries to assist them against the Kufr of the West.

    And let those know that that failing to assist Taliban that is being fought for its religion and because of the help it gives to Mujahideen and, assisting the kuffar against them is the kind of friendship and support of the kuffar that Allaah warned against when He said:

    "Believers, take not my enemy and your enemy as friends in whom you put love"

    And He said "Believers take not my enemy and yours as Protecting friends."

    Certainly it will go down in history that these countries betrayed their brothers and it will remain as a kind of bad record on them and their people that will remain forever!!

    Similarly let those neighboring and nearby countries be ware that if they refuse to help the brothers and allowed the enemy to attack them, that Allah may face them with His Natural Disasters and terrible situations as a punishment and chastisement on them. The Prophet said a Muslim is a brother of a Muslim, he does not forsake or betray him.. and he also said in a Hadith Qudsi: "Allah said "Whoever fights my Friend should get ready for war with Me And He said "Whoever allowed a Muslim to be humiliated while he could assist him, Allah will humiliate him in front of the entire creation on the Day of Judgment (reported by Ahmad). And we wish to remind the Pakistan Government that allowing the Americans, the enemies of Muslims, to use their land is not informed by wisdom nor borne out of experience politics at all because it will lead to giving the opportunity for America to discover their secrets of their country and know the location of its nuclear power with all precision and something that has terrified the West, and that may lead to the Americans giving the Jews the chance to attack the Nuclear Plants in Pakistan as they did those of Iraq earlier. And how come does Pakistan trust America is enemy that has been warning and warning them! I really think that the reasonable personalities in Pakistan will not allow it, not to mention their Good Muslims will ever accept this nor will they just fold their arms and watch surrender to their enemies of yesterday.

    We pray to Allah that He helps His Religion and raises His Word and exalts Islam and the Muslims and the Mujahideen and to destroy America and its followers and those who assist them. Verily He has that Power and is Able to do so.

    Wa-sallaahu wa-sallam 'alaa Muhammad wa aalihi wa sahbihi was-sallam.
    http://www.d1d.net/1/seid/sahwah/hmood/h40.htm

    #2
    thankyou for the post....
    u cleared some doubts i had in my mind....
    jazak-Allah
    Both Halal & Haram r evident but between them r doubtful things, most ppl have no knowledge about them. So whoever saves himself from suspicious things saves his religion & honor, & whoever indulges in suspicious things indulges in Haram.

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      #3
      Ibrahim bhai,

      Jazaak'Allaah khair wa ahsan'Allaahu 'aleiyk for posting this informative message from the two of the most esteemed scholars of our times (hafidhum'Allaah). May Allaah reward them for their efforts in striving to unite the Ummah upon the Sunnah and toward the Haq ...

      Fee'amaan'Allaah
      &peace
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      "No leaf falls except that He knows of it, and no rain drop forms except that He has willed it."

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        #4
        "O believers! Take not Jews and Christians as your (protecting) friends, they are allies of one another. Whosoever allies with them, amongst you, then he is one of them..."
        I doubt that this is meant "friend".

        Please confirm

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        Ain't new ta this....HOMEINVASION('93)

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          #5
          Originally posted by Ali_R:
          I doubt that this is meant "friend".
          Please confirm

          salaams to all

          Surah Al Maida

          54 O ye who believe! if any from among you turn back from his faith soon will Allah produce a people whom He will love as they will love Him lowly with the believers mighty against the rejecters fighting in the way of Allah and never afraid of the reproaches of such as find fault. That is the Grace of Allah which He will bestow on whom He pleaseth: and Allah encompasseth all and He knoweth all things.
          55 Your (real) friends are (no less than) Allah His Apostle and the (fellowship of) believers those who establish regular prayers and regular charity and they bow down humbly (in worship).
          56 As to those who turn (for friendship) to Allah His Apostle and the (fellowship of) believers it is the fellowship of Allah that must certainly triumph.

          57 O ye who believe! take not for friends and protectors [bv] those who take your religion for a mockery or sport whether among those who received the Scripture before you or among those who reject faith;[/b] but fear ye Allah if ye have Faith (indeed)


          Yusof Ali commentary:-

          It is not right that we should be in intimate association with those to whom religion is either a subject of mockery or at best is nothing but a plaything. They may be amused, or they may have other motives for encouraging you. But your association with them will sap the earnestness of your Faith, and make you cynical and insincere

          Ibrahim says: The message that Allah (swt) gave mankind was consistent and this same instruction scan be found in

          Gospel: Jesus is supposed to have said……………

          Matthew 10:

          32. "Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven.

          33. But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven.


          34. "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

          35. For I have come to turn " `a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—


          36. a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.'

          37. "Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me;

          Ibrahim says: Hence INTIMATE friendships can only be established between the good and the good have to separate from those who enjoin evil. ( the essense of all scriptures)

          Now this same message is found even in the corrupted Veda ( which also includes false teachings in this passage which I am quoting where it equates all woman as evil too )


          Satapatha Brahmana

          14:1:1:31. "And whilst not coming into contact with Sudras and remains of food; for this Gharma is he that shines yonder, and he is excellence, truth, and light; but woman, the Sudra, the dog, and the black bird (the crow), are untruth: he should not look at these, lest he should mingle excellence and sin, light and darkness, truth and untruth."

          Ibrahim says: hence thes caste system practiced was based on the fact that sudras (unbelivers at that time and period who were used as slaves only) and lower than them , the dalits, were considered as unbelievers in the Vedic religion and had to be avoided at all costs for those who wanted to keep themselves pure in faith.

          The current evolution of this understanding is what, we witness today as the caste system in India, which also does not even allow the dalit to enter the Brahmin temple


          I hope this explains what is being meant by “friend” in sciptures...…insha Allah

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            #6
            Just a few ayats for all of you.........

            Sura Ali-Imran: 28

            "Let not the belivers take disbelivers for thier friend in prefrance to Belivers......."

            Allah has not stopped us from making friends with other as long as we dont put them before muslims.........

            another question I ask is.......

            Why do you guys support Taliban so much? They dont preach Islam! They use it to tighten thier grip on power. If Islam is to be followed the way they do then no one would join it or convert to it!

            In the Propthet's time Islam was cultured and the seat of learning and tolerance not a seat of "If you shave your beard you will find yourself in jail".

            I say it once again. Taliban dont preach Islam. The 20,00 slain shias in Herat know this better than anyone else! Did the prophet march into any city with his holy army and commit such a barbaric crime as to killing men women and children who were defnceless?

            I dont Support Taliban nor do I support America. I stand where Iran is standing in this whole episode.

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              #7
              If I understand correctly, you can have friends (jews, sikhs, hindus..etc), but only those who respect your religion. Right?

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                Originally posted by Ibrahim:
                When America attacked a Pharmaceutical firm in Sudan, using its planes and bombs, destroying it and killing everybody in it, staff and laborers, what was this called? Shouldn't the action of America in the Sudanese firm be considered as an act of terrorism?

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                Pharmaceutical company is what the Sudanese claim, ask the Americans.

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                Originally posted by Ibrahim:

                Why is everybody condemning and rejecting what was done to those buildings in America and yet we did not hear any such condemnations on the destruction caused by America in the Sudanese firm?
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                Because everyone (except people like you) know the truth.

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                Originally posted by Ibrahim:

                It is not permissible to kill this category, on condition that they can be differentiated from the rest, but if they are mixed up such that they can't be separated, then it is allowed to kill them along with the others and by extension, like old men, women, children, the sick and the disabled or devoted monks.
                ================================================== ========================================When this is fair, then killing of innocents anywhere is also fair.
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                Originally posted by Ibrahim:

                Ibn Qudamah said: "It is allowed to kill women and children in night attacks and in demolished buildings or ditches, so far as the intention is not to kill them in particular; And it is allowed to kill their (the enemies') animals as a means for killing and subduing them; there is no difference of opinion on this."
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                Killing of people is not a right of Muslims, anyone can kill others for his self defence. But just to terrorise people and for some stupid ideas how can you justify killing people???
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                Originally posted by Ibrahim:

                "It is permissible to attack enemies at night. Ahmad bin Hanbal said: 'there is no problem with night attacks, were the Romans not attacked at night?' And he said: 'we don't know anybody who disliked night attacks" (Al-Mughniy 10/503)
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                If what you said is all true, then you should not complain americans attacking Afghanistan in the night and hitting residential areas.
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                Originally posted by Ibrahim:

                (Al-Istizkar vol. 14, p 74). Similarly, Ibn Qudamah reported the Ijamaa' on killing women, children and old men if they help their people;
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                Now I am getting to understand how the terrorists can justify their actions and pat their ego's. Anyone reading such literature is bound to think that he can go on a killing spree and do whatever he likes and his religion supports it. Great!!!
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                Originally posted by Ibrahim:

                But when Mutilating them will lead to their accepting the faith or warn them against another aggression, then, it is - in this case - part of recommended Jihad and retribution." (This was quoted by Ibn Muflih in Alfuru' vol.6 p.218)

                We pray to Allah that He helps His Religion and raises His Word and exalts Islam and the Muslims and the Mujahideen and to destroy America and its followers and those who assist them. Verily He has that Power and is Able to do so.
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                I have one question:
                How many muslims on this forum agree with Ibrahims views in totality?

                Why do you try to bring in the name of God in this human war. The pure purpose of it is to eliminate terror, if you think it is the clash of Christian God and a Muslim God then I can't help you.
                Anyway who is winning???

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                  #9
                  victory your questions are childish.....
                  1- Why don't you ask Usama Bin Laden what does he call the 11th sept attacks......as you force us to ask Americans about Sudan

                  2- Truth??????? does that word exist in America's dictionery.....cnn, bbc, sky news, fox news etc etc "Truth presenters" can't digest Aljazeera's Truth

                  3- How can American's justify killings in Iraq.......Muslims can justify....they didn't start first

                  4- Who Complains?????? Wake up mate those times have gone, now its "revenge"

                  5- You like ignorant American Nation would understand more when you will see more eye openers....its just starting.

                  Be in peace


                  Originally posted by Victory:
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                  Originally posted by Ibrahim:
                  When America attacked a Pharmaceutical firm in Sudan, using its planes and bombs, destroying it and killing everybody in it, staff and laborers, what was this called? Shouldn't the action of America in the Sudanese firm be considered as an act of terrorism?

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                  Pharmaceutical company is what the Sudanese claim, ask the Americans.

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                  Originally posted by Ibrahim:

                  Why is everybody condemning and rejecting what was done to those buildings in America and yet we did not hear any such condemnations on the destruction caused by America in the Sudanese firm?
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                  Because everyone (except people like you) know the truth.

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                  Originally posted by Ibrahim:

                  It is not permissible to kill this category, on condition that they can be differentiated from the rest, but if they are mixed up such that they can't be separated, then it is allowed to kill them along with the others and by extension, like old men, women, children, the sick and the disabled or devoted monks.
                  ================================================== ========================================When this is fair, then killing of innocents anywhere is also fair.
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                  Originally posted by Ibrahim:

                  Ibn Qudamah said: "It is allowed to kill women and children in night attacks and in demolished buildings or ditches, so far as the intention is not to kill them in particular; And it is allowed to kill their (the enemies') animals as a means for killing and subduing them; there is no difference of opinion on this."
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                  Killing of people is not a right of Muslims, anyone can kill others for his self defence. But just to terrorise people and for some stupid ideas how can you justify killing people???
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                  Originally posted by Ibrahim:

                  "It is permissible to attack enemies at night. Ahmad bin Hanbal said: 'there is no problem with night attacks, were the Romans not attacked at night?' And he said: 'we don't know anybody who disliked night attacks" (Al-Mughniy 10/503)
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                  If what you said is all true, then you should not complain americans attacking Afghanistan in the night and hitting residential areas.
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                  Originally posted by Ibrahim:

                  (Al-Istizkar vol. 14, p 74). Similarly, Ibn Qudamah reported the Ijamaa' on killing women, children and old men if they help their people;
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                  Now I am getting to understand how the terrorists can justify their actions and pat their ego's. Anyone reading such literature is bound to think that he can go on a killing spree and do whatever he likes and his religion supports it. Great!!!
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                  Originally posted by Ibrahim:

                  But when Mutilating them will lead to their accepting the faith or warn them against another aggression, then, it is - in this case - part of recommended Jihad and retribution." (This was quoted by Ibn Muflih in Alfuru' vol.6 p.218)

                  We pray to Allah that He helps His Religion and raises His Word and exalts Islam and the Muslims and the Mujahideen and to destroy America and its followers and those who assist them. Verily He has that Power and is Able to do so.
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                  I have one question:
                  How many muslims on this forum agree with Ibrahims views in totality?

                  Why do you try to bring in the name of God in this human war. The pure purpose of it is to eliminate terror, if you think it is the clash of Christian God and a Muslim God then I can't help you.
                  Anyway who is winning???

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                    #10
                    Assalaamu 'alaykum warahmatullaah my dear respected brothers,

                    In light of these fataawa, i received the following message today:

                    Earlier today, Fatwa-Online was informed that:

                    The Council of Senior Scholars in Saudi Arabia considers the "fatwa" of
                    Hamood al-'Uqlaa ash-Shu'aybee in which he spoke about the "al-Qaa.idah"
                    movement of Usaamah ibn Laadin "not worthy of adhering to."

                    The Council went on to clarify that "Hamood al-'Uqlaa is a graduate from the
                    Faculty of Sharee'ah, and was also previously a teacher at the Ma'had
                    al-'Ilmee (Knowledge Institute) in Riyadh, and then later a teacher at the
                    Faculty of Sharee'ah itself. He then transferred to the Faculty of Sharee'ah
                    in Qaseem where he entered retirement due to his old age, in accordance with
                    the law (of the land)."

                    The Council added regarding al-'Uqlaa "...that his fataawa are extremely out of focus, especially this fatwa in which he has declared the permissibility
                    of spilling the blood of innocent people."

                    The Council stressed that "ash-Shu'aybee has no right to pass fataawa, and
                    that he never previously held such a position. It also stressed that the
                    passing of a fatwa is not accepted except from one who is suitably qualified
                    and prepared with complete knowledge of the Sharee'ah and its evidences."


                    ..........

                    Baarak-Allaahu Feekum - wa sal-Allaahu wa-sallam 'alaa Nabiyyinaa Muhammad,
                    was-Salaam 'alaykum wa-Rahmatullaahe wa-Barakaatuh.

                    ... And Allaah knows best.

                    Wassalaam

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                    "No leaf falls except that He knows of it, and no rain drop forms except that He has willed it."

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                      #11
                      Innal-Hamdalillah was-Salaatu was-Salaamu 'Alaa Rasoolillah
                      As-Salaamu 'Alaikum wa-raHmatullahi wa-barakaatuh

                      Before you read this post, please take some time to read a clarification called, "The Lie Upon the Senior Scholars - the Status of Sheikh Humood bin al-'Uqla ash-Shu'aybi", available on as-Sahwah.com. This is a clarification for,

                      a) Sheikh Ibn Jibreen's fatwa on the Taliban, and

                      b) an exposition of the lie attributed to the Council of Senior Scholars as well as a defense of Sheikh Humood al-Uqla.



                      Lastly, as Sheikh 'Abdullah al-Ghunayman concludes, the very least we can do to assist our Afghan brothers, is to be constant in our performance of Qunoot, reciting the supplication made by the Messenger of Allah - may the Salaah and Salaam of Allah be upon him - when the tribes of Arabia made coalition against the newly-born Islamic State of Madinah:

                      Allaahumma Munzil al-Kitaab saree'ul-Hisaab Ihzim al-AHzaab Allaahumma Ihzimhum wa zalzilhum

                      "O Allah! The One Who Sent Down the Book, and Who is Swift at Reckoning, Destroy the confederates, Destroy them and Shake them!" (al-Bukhaari)


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                      SHEIKH 'ABDULLAH AL-GHUNAYMAN'S FATWA ON AIDING THE TALIBAN
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                      Question:

                      To the Noble Shaykh, Abdullah bin Muhammad al-Ghunayman, may Allah the Exalted, preserve him.

                      As-salamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu, to proceed:

                      You, may Allah preserve you, are no doubt aware of what is happening in the land of Afghanistan and the gathering of groups from all regions of the earth to fight them. To further aggravate matters the neighbouring countries have closed off the routes to aiding them; at the same time some of those who adhere to Islam, and some of the scholars have raised their voices to take a stance against the Taliban government and the people of Afghanistan, siding with America and her allies.

                      1) What is your view, may Allah preserve you, concerning aiding the Taliban government and its subjects?
                      2) What is the ruling of one who sides with America, Britain and their allies against the Taliban?
                      3) Does this calamity which has occurred amongst the Muslims allow them to make Qunut for them and supplicate against their enemy?

                      May Allah preserve and protect you.

                      The Answer

                      Before answering these questions I would extend some advice to the generality of the Muslim Nation, saying:

                      Firstly, upon investigating what has happened and is happening of the war of America and her allies, it becomes clear that they have not defined this objective which they have termed 'terrorism'. They have not established that the attack which happened in America was indeed done by Afghanistan or through their support and help - this is a fact known to the whole world.

                      Therefore it is obvious that their understanding of 'terrorism' is none other than Islam itself, hence making this war a Crusade - a truth that has been clearly stated by a number of their leaders such as the President of the United States.

                      This is nothing new, rather this is something that runs through their blood as our Lord, the Blessed and Exalted, has informed us, "the Jews and Christians will never be satisfied with you until you follow their religion." [al-Baqarah (2): 120]; "they will not cease fighting you until they make you renegade from your religion if they are able"
                      [al-Baqarah (2):217]

                      This is why what the Jews do in Palestine - killing babies, women, the young and old, the destruction of their very infrastructure and society - is not regarded as terrorism in the eyes of America. Indeed it happens under their auspices and protection simply because it involves the killing of Muslims. Then when one of them picks up a stone with which to defend himself, he becomes a terrorist!

                      Secondly, it is clear that their goal in this war is to humiliate the Muslim nations, to force them into subservience to America and to protect the Jewish land from any danger that may threaten it.

                      Thirdly, it is also clear that they will not suffice with merely standing against the Taliban government, rather they will continue on to other Islamic lands and organisations, especially those that are effective in da'wah or are firm in educating people about Islam. Their president has made this clear and they are making active effort and in-roads towards achieving this.

                      Fourthly, it is obligatory upon the Muslim leaders, the kings and presidents, to take heed of what is happening so that it may lead them to take a united stance and work towards defending their lands and peoples. It is obligatory upon them to hold firmly to their religion and to suffice with the natural resources and wealth that Allah has blessed their lands with, to protect them and to prevent their enemy from acquiring them - who use their own natural resources to fight them! It is obligatory upon them to do all that they can to remove their dependency upon their enemy and to use their resources, wealth and men towards attaining strength and nobility, thereby implementing what their Lord, the Exalted, has commanded them, "against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your ability" [al-Anfal (8): 60]; "O you who believe! Take not into your intimacy those outside your ranks; they will do anything to harm you. They love what causes you distress: rank hatred has already appeared from their mouths but what their hearts conceal is far worse. We have made the Signs clear to you if you use your intelligence." [Ali 'Imran (3): 118]

                      Fifthly, it is obligatory upon all the Muslims to stand as one united rank against their enemy and to beware of his plot which aims to disunite them and cause them to fight each other so that they may be weakened and ultimately fall under their control. It is obligatory upon them to actively strive towards being strictly disciplined, uniting their words and ranks, and bringing their hearts closer together for all of this is from the means that lead to the help of Allah, the Exalted, by His leave.

                      As regards the answer to the questions, I say:

                      It is obligatory to help the Muslims of Afghanistan and others in their efforts to defend their religion, lands and honour from the attacks of the disbelievers. Allah, the Exalted says, "if they ask you for help, it is your duty to help them." [al-Anfal (8): 72]. The Messenger of Allah (SAW) said, 'the Muslim is the brother of the Muslim, he does not oppress him or surrender him.'

                      Therefore it is obligatory to aid them as much as is possible.

                      As for siding with the disbelieving nations and aiding them against them [the Muslims], the one who does is one of them [the sisbelievers]. Allah, the Exalted says, "O you who believe! Take not the Jews and Christians for your friends and protectors; they are but friends and protectors of each other. Whoever amongst you turns to them [for friendship and protection] is indeed one of them." [al-Ma'idah (5): 51]. There are many verses concerning this.

                      As for the supplication of Qunut, this is the least that a Muslim can do in such a calamity. The Messenger of Allah (SAW) has set the precedent for performing Qunut at the occurrence of calamity, he performed it when the group of reciters he sent to Ra'l and Dhakwan were murdered, after the battle of Uhud and on other occasions. Hence it is obligatory upon the Muslim to turn to his Lord in supplication persistently in Witr and other prayers, indeed all of the time.

                      I ask Allah that He show kindness to the Muslims and that He secure them from trials - both the outer and inner. Peace and blessings be upon our Prophet, Muhammad, upon his family, and all his Companions.

                      Written by the previous head of the faculty of higher studies in Madinah
                      University - 'Abdullah bin Muhammad al-Ghunayman
                      Tuesday 29th Rajab, 1422H


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                      SHEIKH 'ABDUR-RAHMAAN AL-BARRAAK'S FATWA ON AIDING THE TALIBAN
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                      Question: What are the ways in which all the Muslims - everyone according to
                      his own situation - can help their Muslim brethren in Afghanistan?

                      Answer: The Eminent Shaykh AbdurRahman bin Barraak replied saying:

                      In the Name of Allah the Most Merciful, the Bestower of Mercy

                      All praise is due to Allah, whose Seizure is severe, who does as He wishes.

                      May salutations be upon our Prophet Muhammad who said, "I was sent along with the hour as a bringer of glad tidings and as a warner. My provision has been put under the shade of my spear. Humiliation and belittlement have been made for those who oppose my command. Whoever imitates a people is from them."

                      There is no doubt, that America's declaration of war upon the Taliban government of Afghanistan is [an act of] oppression and transgression. It is a crusade against Islam, as the President of the United States of America has [himself] been quoted [as saying]. The Nation-States in the Muslim World's lack of assistance to them in this critical situation is a major
                      tragedy, let alone helping the infidels against them, which is taking them as allies. The Most High says,

                      "O You who believe, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are allies of each other. If any of you takes them as allies, then he is one of them. Indeed Allah does not guide the wrongdoers." (Al-Ma'idah:51)

                      Because of this verse, the scholars have regarded helping the disbelievers against the Muslims as one of those things which invalidate one's Islam.

                      It is obligatory upon the Muslims to aid thier oppressed brothers against the oppressive infidels. The Messnger of Allah - sallallahu alayhi wa sallam - said, "The Muslim is his fellow Muslim's brother. He does not oppress him and he does not surrender him". [However], killing a "mu'aahid" (one who has a pact with the Muslims), or a "musta'min" (one who has been granted security by the Muslims in their lands), is not [a legitimate way] of assisting the Muslims, nor is it Jihad in the path of Allah. No aggression is to be shown against them. Such [aggression] is from the greatest of sins. The Most High says,

                      "If you fear treachery from a people, throw back [their covenant] to them, [so as to be] on equal terms. Indeed, Allah does not love the treacherous" (Al-Anfal:58).

                      It has been related in authentic hadith that the Prophet - sallallahu alayhi wa sallam - said, "He who kills a "mu'aahid" will not smell the fragrance of paradise"

                      It is well known that the Taliban Governments first crime - as far as the United States are concerned - is that they did not submit to their leadership, that they did not abide by the laws of the United Nations, which are refered to as "International Law" that gives the United States the right to veto a decision. Whoever goes outside these regulations undergoes sanctions, which every nation is obliged to abide by. This is the most perfect form of domineering and enslavement.

                      It is obligatory upon the Muslims to take on the [necessary] means of [attaining] honour, which Allah has made for his believing servants. The Most High says,

                      "And to Allah belongs the honour, and to his Messenger, and to the believers, but the Hypocrites do not know."

                      The only reason for the humiliation of the Muslims, and their following of their enemies is that they have turned away from their religion, the weakness of their Iman, and their disunity, to the extent that they left Jihad in the path of Allah. The Prophet - sallallahu alayhi wa sallam - said,

                      "When you deal with 'eenah' (a very subtle usurious transaction), and become satisfied with agriculture, and leave Jihad in the path of Allah, He will send humilation upon you, and he will not remove it from you until you return to your religion."

                      This Coalition against the Taliban government along with its weakness, its hardships, and the hardships of the Afghan people is a disaster, which makes obligatory assisting them and extending to them the hand of help. At the very least, one should pray for them, and perform "Qunut" prayer in order to lift the disaster, the effects and harms of which are not restricted to them alone.

                      We ask Allah that He aids His Religion, that He raises His Cause, that He unites the Muslims upon the Truth, that He disunites the infidels, and that He ruins them completely. Indeed He is Ever-Strong, Ever Powerful. He his capable of all things. May saluations be upon our Prophet Muhammad, and upon all his family and companions.

                      Dictated by AbdurRahman bin Nasir al-Barraak

                      Written : 20/7/1422H

                      Website Update:
                      Discussion Board: Lie Against Senior Scholars - Status of Sheikh Humood al-'Uqla http://www.as-sahwah.com/discus/mess...73276#POST2167


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