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    chund sawal- Tashna e jawab

    Assalam u Alaikum wa RahmatuLLahi wa barakatuh.

    I would like to extend my thanks & appreciation to all the learned members who posted their views in this thread.
    I, infact ( an ignorant person) learn a lot thru this Forum & especially thru this kind of threads.
    During going thru this thread many questions came to my mind i would like to request the learned members to reply
    (just for satisfation of my heart)
    In the meantime would u ppl please excuse me as i do not have a solid command on english language. so what m i going to say now will say in Urdu. hope u will cope with that:
    meri himmat is liye bhi baDhi k shair bhaee ne Urdu ashaa'r ki aik jhaDi se laga di. aur hum bhi sukhan fehm hain ghalib k tarafdaar nahee;

    khair ab aatay hain asal maslay ki taraf.
    Wiladat e Hazrat Ali karramaLLahu Wajhuh(kw)
    ka zikr shuru huwa. App (kw) ko maulood e kaaba ka khitaab diya gaya, aap (kw) ne apni wilaadat k foran baad Surah AL Moominoon ki ibtedaee aayat ki tilawat farmaee.
    ab jo sawalaat maeray zehn main aaye :
    Kabaa Allah subhanahu watallah ka ghar hai
    uss ki pakeezgi aur azmat Muqaddam hai.
    Ghaliban Kalamullah ki kaee aayaat e mubaraka iss baat ki daleel hain.
    Ab sab hi ehbaab ko ilm hai k wiladat e tifl ka amal kaee cheezon ka mutaqazi hai ( zaroori nahee k unn ko bayan kiya jaye)
    lekin unn tamam cheezon ka talluq naa paki se hai. Ab sawal yeah hai k kiya baitullah shareef ki hurmat aur pakeezagee barqarar reh payegi?
    mujhay yaqeen hai mera yeah sawal ghair wazeh hotay huwe bhi wazeh hoga
    aur kissi bhi ehbaab ko giraan nahee guzrega.
    tamheed kaffi taweel ho gayee iss liye agla sawal iss baat ka jawab milnay k baad hi kar sakoonga.
    AUR HAAN MAIN ALLAH KI QASAM KHA KAR ISS BAAT KA YAQEEN DILANA CHAHTA HOON KI MERA MAQSAD KOEE FITNA UTHHANA YAA KISSI KI DIL AAZARI NAHEE. SIRF APNI MAALOOMAT MAIN IZAFAY AUR SAHEE DEEN SEEKHNAY KI NIYAT SE YEAH SAB KUCHH KAHA GAYA.
    WASAALAM U ALAIKUM WA RAHMATULLAHI WA BARAKATUH.

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    huwe mar k ham jo Ruswa
    huwe kiyuN na gharq e darya
    huway mar k hum jo RUSWA huway kiyN na gharq e darya
    na kabhi janaza uth-ta na kaheen mazaar hota

    #2
    Good question Mirza Ruswa. I hope this thread does not turn into 'Shia vs Sunni' conflict as all other threads have in past.

    the only information I have been able to get so far is that Hazrat Ali RA was born in Ka'aba and it was claimed by a lady who helped mother of Hazrat Ali RA at that time that she didn't face 'hard time'. During normal births, yes 'naa-paak' elements do flow out of women's body. I don't know what ulema have said about that.

    One 'claim' I have not found an authtentic reference to is about the 'talking' or as you said 'tilawate-surah mominoon'. Does it mean that he knew surah before Quran was revealed to Prophet PBUH? I hope anyone who has more knowledge will answer that or provide me reference about it.

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    We oughta be Changez like, don't we?

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      #3
      Agar aap iss masley ko deeni nuqta-e-nigaah say dekhein, to phir to insaan ka imaan hi uss kay liye kaafi daleel hai. Jis Allah ko hum baghair dekhey maantay hain, jis ki taaqat per hum baghair dekhey yaqeen rakhtey hain, jis Allah ko iss poori dunya aur aakhirat pay qudrat haasil hai, uss kay liye Kaabatullah ko Hazrat Ali RA ki paidaish kay baad paak rakhna kya mushkil hai? Yeh to hai imaan ki baat. Ab aiye haqeeqi masley ki taraf.

      Maan kay pait say jab bachey ki paidaish hoti hai, to jaisa aap ney kaha, uss mein kuch napaaki ka unser hota hai. Ab maan bachay ki paidaish kay baad hamesha kay liye napaak to nahi ho jati. Maan bhi to apna waqt guzarnay kay baad, ghussal kar leney kay baad paak ho jati hain. To issi tarha, Kaabatullah pey paaki kay koi mukhtalif usool nahi lagoo hotay. Kaabatullah bhi ghussal kay baad ussi tarha paak ho jata hai jiss tarha maan, aur jiss tarha nau-maulood bacha.

      Allah-o-Alim

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        #4
        Originally posted by Akif:
        Agar aap iss masley ko deeni nuqta-e-nigaah say dekhein, to phir to insaan ka imaan hi uss kay liye kaafi daleel hai. Jis Allah ko hum baghair dekhey maantay hain, jis ki taaqat per hum baghair dekhey yaqeen rakhtey hain, jis Allah ko iss poori dunya aur aakhirat pay qudrat haasil hai, uss kay liye Kaabatullah ko Hazrat Ali RA ki paidaish kay baad paak rakhna kya mushkil hai? Yeh to hai imaan ki baat. Ab aiye haqeeqi masley ki taraf.

        Maan kay pait say jab bachey ki paidaish hoti hai, to jaisa aap ney kaha, uss mein kuch napaaki ka unser hota hai. Ab maan bachay ki paidaish kay baad hamesha kay liye napaak to nahi ho jati. Maan bhi to apna waqt guzarnay kay baad, ghussal kar leney kay baad paak ho jati hain. To issi tarha, Kaabatullah pey paaki kay koi mukhtalif usool nahi lagoo hotay. Kaabatullah bhi ghussal kay baad ussi tarha paak ho jata hai jiss tarha maan, aur jiss tarha nau-maulood bacha.

        Allah-o-Alim
        Mohtaram
        Assalam u aliakum

        Shayad main apna nuqata e nazar wazeh nahee kar paya ya phir shayad aap asl e sawal ko nahee pahonch paye.
        Tamam adab o lihaz malhooz rakhtay howe main arz karna chahoonga k jaisa k aap ne ALLAH (SWT) par yaqeen karnay aur Hazrat ALI (Karramal Lahu wajhu) ki kaabay main paidayesh ko aik muqam par lanay ki koshish ki hai uss par to bahar main kucch na keh sakoonga lekin mera sawal ka maqsad yeah hai kiya kaabatullah baitullah athar buqa' alal ard waghaera waghera ko zachcha khana k taur par istemal karna kiya iss aalaa tareen muqam k shayan e shaan hai.
        (with due respect)
        ghusl denay se pak hoga, yaqeenan hoga.

        lekin misaal k taur par kiya main apni beewi ki zachgi jakar dehli ki jama masjid yaa Lahore ki badshahi masjid main karwaoon k saheb jo bachcha hoga woh azmat wala hoga to yaqeenan in dono shehron k log jo mera anjaam karengay woh maaloom hai.

        Mohtaram woh log ( abdul muttalib aur unki aulad) kaabay k mutawalli thay iss ki zamat aur pakeezgee ko samajhtay thay.

        iss saray bayan se mera maqsad yeah poochhna hai k kiya Pooray makkah mukarramma main koee jagah nahee thee alawa baitullah shareef k?




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        huwe mar k ham jo Ruswa
        huwe kiyuN na gharq e darya
        huway mar k hum jo RUSWA huway kiyN na gharq e darya
        na kabhi janaza uth-ta na kaheen mazaar hota

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          #5
          Mirza Sahab adaab arz hay.
          Aap nay na-insafi ki apni example ko hazrat Ali ki example say mila kar. Imam Ali ki paydaesh mojazza thee. Khanna-e-Kaaba ki deevaar phutti Allah kay hukum say, aaur Khuda nay apni murzi say aap ki paydaesh khana-e-kaaba mein karwae, na kay Bibi Fatima binte Asad nay khud koshish ki. Bibi khanae Kaaba mein 2 rooz say zyada rahein aaur tamaam moarikh la-jawaab hein kay aap ki paydaesh mein kis nay madad farmae, khaana paanai kahan say milla waghera waghera.

          Imam Ali ka khoon paak o moqqadam hay, magar jaisa ka ek aaur brother nay likha hay kay agar Allah apnay ghar ko paak kar dalay tou kya hayrat ki baat hay. Woh Allah, Alla shaeyan qadeer hay!

          Imam Ali nay phir baray ho kar, Rasool-Allah kay kaandhay par churh kar Allah kay ghar ko idols toour kar shirk, aaur jhootay khudaon say paak kar dala! Subhan Allah!
          "And those who oppress shall see what kind of outcome overturns them." [26:227] Al-Quran

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            #6
            Originally posted by Pagluu:
            Mirza Sahab adaab arz hay.
            Aap nay na-insafi ki apni example ko hazrat Ali ki example say mila kar. Imam Ali ki paydaesh mojazza thee. Khanna-e-Kaaba ki deevaar phutti Allah kay hukum say, aaur Khuda nay apni murzi say aap ki paydaesh khana-e-kaaba mein karwae, na kay Bibi Fatima binte Asad nay khud koshish ki. Bibi khanae Kaaba mein 2 rooz say zyada rahein aaur tamaam moarikh la-jawaab hein kay aap ki paydaesh mein kis nay madad farmae, khaana paanai kahan say milla waghera waghera.

            Imam Ali ka khoon paak o moqqadam hay, magar jaisa ka ek aaur brother nay likha hay kay agar Allah apnay ghar ko paak kar dalay tou kya hayrat ki baat hay. Woh Allah, Alla shaeyan qadeer hay!

            Imam Ali nay phir baray ho kar, Rasool-Allah kay kaandhay par churh kar Allah kay ghar ko idols toour kar shirk, aaur jhootay khudaon say paak kar dala! Subhan Allah!
            Mohtaram bhaee;
            Salaam e masnoon
            shukriya k aap ne apnay khayalat paish faramanay k liye waqt nikla.
            Shayad mujh se gustakhi huee. Allah mujhay muaaf farmaye. nadanistagee main aisa huwa aur meray zehn main wohi misal aayee jissay maine paish kar diya.
            khair Allah muaaf farmaye.

            Arz e mudda'a yeah hai k Kaabay main wiladat hona Amma fatima bit e asad ka mojaza mana jasakta hai. Lekin unn se koee mojaza sarzad hona Muhaal hai. Mojazaat anbiyaa aur auliya k saaath makhsoos hain, aur yaqeenan amma fatima bint e asad na nabiyaa theen na hi waliyaa. ( koee saboot iss baat ka nahee milta)
            Hazrat Ali karramal Lahu wajhu ki azmat aur pakeezagi e nafs, unn ki haya aur unn ki bahaduri o jee dari aik misaal hai, jo guzar chukay unn k liye bhi aur jo aanay walay hain unn k liye bhi.
            Lekin biradar e mohtaram Kiya HAZRAT ALI KARRAMALLAHU WAJHU ko maulood e kaaba kehnay se unn ki shaan e mubarak main izafa hoga ??
            izaafa ??
            woh to khud aik hudd hain.

            kissi aik halki phulki riwayat ko lekar uss par aik poori imarat kahdi kar lena ajeeb lagta hai.

            Aur mohtaram,jahan tak mujhay ilm hai Jafaari hazarat to kissi aisee riwayat ko dar khuur e aietina nahee gardantay jiss ki sanad imaam tak na pahonchay.
            phir bhi iss riwayat ko janay kaisay itni maqbooliyat hasil ho gayee.



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            huwe mar k ham jo Ruswa
            huwe kiyuN na gharq e darya
            huway mar k hum jo RUSWA huway kiyN na gharq e darya
            na kabhi janaza uth-ta na kaheen mazaar hota

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