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    " They want to blow out Allah's light with their mouths and Allah is perfecting his Light no matter how disbelievers may hate it. " (61:08)

    Airplane Crashes at W.T.C. &the Pentagon

    Who Benefits Most?

    By M. Amir Ali


    Condemnation: The Muslim leadership of the Chicago area called an emergency meeting to discuss the most horrible crimes committed against American people this morning of September 11, 2001 and the press release which was issued earlier today to the media. This press release condemned terrorist attacks on WTC and the Pentagon which caused a senseless loss of innocent life. The condemnation is unconditional, unequivocal and supports an impartial investigation for bringing perpetrators to full justice. I would like to add that there should be no retaliation against any party or a country without proof but based on suspicion and prejudice. The Muslim leaders of Chicago discussed an action plan to help the victims and survivors of the terrorist attack by sending a team of doctors to New York, donating blood for the victims and sending money to help the needy. Committees were established to implement the resolutions immediately.


    This attack was apparently well coordinated by people who had intricate inside knowledge, technology, money, manpower, motivation, cooperation of a large number of insiders and whatever it took to carry them out. It is, therefore, essential to find who benefits most from these horrible crimes, who would receive cooperation of the insiders, who would have detailed knowledge of vulnerable parts of targeted buildings, technology knowledge to fly those commercial airplanes correctly, knowledge of the force of impact of the airplane for penetration inside WTC and the Pentagon, probability of success without interruption from security apparatus of the U.S., escaping the radar systems and motivation to die and kill.


    1. Motivation: We have to look at the motivation, balancing benefits vs. harm and find who benefits most from this crime.

    (a) True Muslim Group. Those Muslims who have the knowledge of the Qur'an and teachings of the Prophet Muhammad (S) know very well that Islam strictly prohibits killing and injuring those who have not taken up arms against the Muslim even if they belong to the enemy camp. This includes men, women and children of the enemy during a war conditions. World Trade Center cannot be the target of any true Muslim group or individuals because Islamically the people in and around WTC nor those innocent people traveling in the airplanes used for crashes can justifiable be harmed. On this account, if the Pentagon is loosely justifiable as a target, certainly the lives of the passengers on the airplane that was used to hit the Pentagon is not justifiable by any stretch of the imagination. The benefits for any Muslim group are none in this crime but the harms are great. Firstly, the loss of innocent lives which certainly included two to five thousand Muslims who worked at the WTC. Secondly, the bad name given to Islam and the Muslims, which this crime will cause and will make more people hate and fear Islam and Muslims. Any true Muslim would like people to see Islam as a religion of peace, not war, a problem solving way of life, not problem creating. Thirdly, harm may be caused for the Muslims living in the West and North America. There are bigots in the West who are looking for any excuse to harm Muslims, their businesses, their institutions and their religious centers. Even on mere suspicion they are going to cause harm to Muslims and their properties. It is, therefore, obvious that no true Muslim dare do any kind of stupid and un-Islamic activity to harm non-Muslims or their properties.


    (b) Osama Binladin and the Taliban. I know that Osama Binladin is a true Muslim with in depth knowledge of the Qur'an and teachings of the Prophet and I would never suspect that he would do anything against the teachings of Islam and harm anyone who is a civilian and has not taken up arms against Islam or Muslims. His pronouncements are against the military presence of the U.S. in the Muslim lands, particularly, his native land of the Arabian Peninsula, commonly known as Saudi Arabia, which is believed by the Muslims to be sacred. Besides, Osama Binladin knows that any terrorism against American civilians would bring harm to the Muslims living in the West and Islamic interests. I would absolve Osama Binladin from any culpability in any terrorist crime involving civilian and innocent people including the bombings of two American Embassies in East African countries. The Taliban are reported to be led by Islamic scholars who know that they are not to harm any civilians anywhere in the world. I would, therefore, absolve the Taliban from any part in the air crashes at WTC, the Pentagon and other places. Taliban's interpretation of Islam may be extreme but the brunt of their extremism is borne by those living within the boundaries of their government and it does not extend beyond it. Hamas cannot be implicated because their anger is against the Israelis and those who are in Palestine in support of Zionist causes. According to press reports Hamas has justification of harming Israeli civilians but I have no direct contact for verification of these reports. If they have any justification for harming civilians, this would be limited to the Israelis living in Israel. I see no justification for Hamas to launch a very complicated operation such as we are seeing today at WTC and the Pentagon.


    (c) Secularized "Muslims". People like Saddam Hussein, Kaddafi, PLFP, PLO and their brethren who are free from Islamic restrictions and moral scruples behave more like Russians, Americans and Israelis who will strike the enemy on mere suspicion or take revenge beyond ratio and proportion. However, on other grounds, we shall see in the following that they are not capable of carrying out such attacks.


    (d) The Israelis. The world Zionists and Israelis have no true friend left in the world except the U.S., the sole Super Power and this support is slipping out of their grip in favor of Muslims and the Arabs. American public opinion is slowly moving away from the blind and unconditional support of Israel towards neutrality and that makes Israelis very nervous. The loss of Al Gore in the year 2000 has upset Israelis very much and Bush disappoints them even more. It is the rising Muslim population in the U.S. that is very scary for the Zionists. Zionists know that sooner than later, Muslims will become politically active and economically rival the Zionists and that will be the end of American economic, political and military support for Israel. The top of the Israeli agenda is to not only arrest the Muslim growth in America but to reduce Muslim influence. By equating Islam as terrorism and Muslims as evil Israel thinks that Israel can achieve her goal. Zionists want to create terror in the minds of American people when they hear Islam, Muslim and Arab. Zionists want to see that Muslims and Arabs are attacked and their properties burned down so that the environment of the Spanish inquisition days are recreated in the 21st century U.S. so that Muslims either leave Islam for their own security or are murdered or exiled. Israel has found that terrorism outside the U.S. has not scared American people enough, therefore, it was necessary to carry out terrorism within the U.S. and label it as the work of the Muslims and Arabs. This author continues to believe that WTC bombing of 1993 was the work of Israelis which resulted in amendments of the immigration laws and the Secret Evidence Law of 1996, restricting immigration of Muslims and creating an environment of fear for some. However, this was not enough to reduce Muslim influence in America and required more work. Air crashes at the WTC and the Pentagon are their follow up to create terror in the American public so that they will turn against Muslims and the Arabs. It is, therefore obvious that the Israelis have a strong motivation to carry out attacks and label it upon the Muslims and the Arabs. In fact, this is the only way left for their own security and keeping the U.S. as their protector.


    2. Technology and Scientific Knowledge: This successful air crash required a lot of technology and scientific know how. As the media is saying, large commercial airplanes have a button for announcing hijacking, which were not touched in three air crashes, why not? If hijackers were in the cockpit and got control over the pilot/s at gun point, it is inconceivable that the pilot will obey their orders and crash the plane into the buildings in dead-center without trying to avoid the target and missing it. If hijackers removed the pilots from their seats and took over piloting themselves, that would require the knowledge of flying a commercial airplane and hit the target at dead-center. They needed not one but a crew of pilots for four airplanes,. Who has the capability except Israelis who have Zionists employed by the American companies and willing to strike the target at dead-center without cautioning anyone or using the hijacking warning button. There is probability that the hijackers were familiar people to the crew and the pilots, therefore, when they entered the cockpit there was no resistance or suspicion of terrorism. Reportedly, hijackers turned off transponders in the cockpit and possibly the black box which could give clues to their identities.


    Striking the target buildings require precise knowledge where the building is most vulnerable to cause maximum damage. We know that the Israelis and Zionists have or had access to the building and knew it very well.


    Also, terrorists needed knowledge of the radar system and holes in the system so that they could steer the plane away from the designated flying corridor yet not be detected. This required inside knowledge of the system. New York being a Zionist dominated city has knowledge available to them and the willingness to use it.


    3. Cooperation and Coordination: Successfully crashing three airplanes within two hours at three targets, two of them far apart by several hundred miles requires tremendous amount of cooperation and coordination. It has to be a military-like operation. The work would require a lot of inside information, which no other group has access to except American Zionists. Most importantly, getting on aboard airplanes with weapons or an insider without weapon, knowledge of radar system and holes within it, timing of three separate attacks require coordination. The only people who can plan, coordinate and carry it out in complete secrecy are the Zionists of America and Israelis. I am sure that there are numerous Zionists working within the radar system, working as pilots in all commercial airline companies, working in the security system and so on. Neither Hamas, nor Osama Binladin nor the Taliban nor any other group has the sophistication required for this operation.


    Within the last twenty years Israel and the Zionists had two American Administrations who were very friendly and cooperative with the Israelis, the Reagan and the Clinton-Gore. Bushes were not seen by the Zionists as friendly as they would like them to be. The fact that Bush II has spoken in favor of the Muslims and the Arabs scares Israelis and they would like force Bush to work against the Muslims. Israelis hope that these air crashes would do the trick.


    The world will not get a handle on terrorism until the Israelis are included as suspects in the world of terrorism and scuttle her activities. State terrorism by Israel in Palestine is well known but not well recognized. The world has to come around to blame where the blame belongs - Israel.


    American Muslim Response: American Muslims should acted inn two ways, (a) immediate response to bigotry and attacks against Muslims, and (b) solve the problem of terrorism by removing tyranny, injustice and the double standard of the U.S. government.


    Response to Bigotry. There will be hundreds of attacks against Muslims and Arabs but Muslims and Arabs should follow the guidance of the Qur'an, kuffu aydiyakum, meaning tie down your hands. It means, take all the abuse but do not respond in any manner and this will win many hearts in our favor. Sabr in adversity (see the Qur'an 2:177) meaning patience (no revenge) and perseverance should be our response. This was the Prophet's response and he is our role model.


    Long Term Strategy. There can be no alternative to educating American people about Islam, Muslims and issues, which affect Muslims and the world, such as Palestine, Kashmir, Chechnya and others. Ignorance is the mother of prejudice, hate and fear; education removes ignorance. Muslim Americans have the responsibility of educating American people and in ten years we can complete this phase of the work.


    September 11, 2001



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    Parde ilm hazaar kitaaba...kaddee apnai aap nu parya naee.." BULLEY SHAH

    #2
    Hmm, interesting ... thanks for that!

    &peace

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      #3
      Interesting, so few replies though ??

      Another theory is that american intelligence knew about this, or even worse did play an active role in this horrendous act.

      This because some forces in USA wants the congress to give more money to the defence system. Already now you can read about the huge emergency package of billions of dollars the congress has allocated to the defence.

      A lot of factors about this terrorist act doesnt add up, as pointed out in the article posted by Masooma.

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      ~Survival of the smartest~

      Comment


        #4
        >From: [email protected]
        >Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 23:25:18 EDT
        >Subject: ...THEY KNEW! And now WE KNOW THEY KNEW!!
        >To: undisclosed-recipients:;
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        >
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        >PLANETNEWS broadcast...
        >
        >This in today...
        >Nance
        >----------------
        >
        >THEY KNEW! And now WE KNOW THEY KNEW!!
        >
        >http://disc.server.com/discussion.cg...95article=9059
        >
        >
        >** EXTREMELY URGENT **
        >
        > PLEASE FORWARD AS FAR AND WIDE AS POSSIBLE
        >
        > (send to ALL members of Congress)
        >
        >
        > 9.13.01
        >
        > Call from US Carrier PROVES gov't had prior knowledge!!
        >
        >
        > [ -- Go to: [email protected]
        >
        > http://www.inforadionet.com/
        >
        > then select UNWO to HEAR THE CALL!]
        >
        >
        >(Real Audio) - About 10 min. into bcst...
        >
        >http://www.soundwaves2000.com/media/unwotoday.ram
        >
        >
        > A U.S. Navy serviceman stationed on an aircraft carrier called his
        >
        > family in the United States well PRIOR to Tuesday's horrendously
        >
        > catastrophic events in New York City and at the Pentagon, and ALERTED
        >
        > THEM that "something big" was about to go down in a major urban area!
        >
        >
        > Even MORE astounding: This person further noted that the carrier was
        >
        > being diverted from its previous mission and was heading directly to the
        >
        > East Coast as a result of the incident that was going to occur!
        >
        >
        > Beyond the merest shadow of a doubt this proves conclusively that
        >
        > elements of the U.S. government's intelligence and military sectors HAD
        >
        > PRIOR KNOWLEDGE that a massive act of terrorism/war was about to be
        >
        > unleashed against America!
        >
        >
        > THEY KNEW! And now WE KNOW THEY KNEW!!
        >
        >
        > What's more: given the fact that according to information made public in
        >
        > the New York times on Oct. 28, 1993 it is PROVEN one FBI agent John
        >
        > Anticev and bureau associates were HEAVILY involved with Islamic
        >
        > extremists in EVERY STAGE of the bombing of the World trade Center in
        >
        > 1993, providing funds, equipment, supplies, support and training to the
        >
        > actual perpetrators, we have EVERY REASON to believe the same state of
        >
        > affairs exists regarding Tuesday's mass atrocities in NYC and D.C.
        >
        >
        > The Bush Administration and the globalist/NWO factions it's fronting for
        >
        > NEEDED a massive, earthshaking act of terrorism unleashed upon a major
        >
        > U.S. metropolitan area, in order to generate and galvanize support among
        >
        > the people for implementation of martial law conditions within the
        >
        > territory of the United States, and DRASTIC, SEVERE curtailment of
        >
        > Constitutional rights and civil liberties.
        >
        >
        > The destruction, death and devastation wrought in New York and D.C.
        >
        > Tuesday are in EVERY WAY the BushMob's "burning of the Reichstag."
        >
        >
        > Feds KNEW what was coming -- and what's more, certain factions clearly
        >
        > assisted, aided and abetted the actual perpetrators of Tuesday's mass
        >
        > carnage.
        >
        >
        > AGAIN: We now have solid proof, with regard to the content of the call
        >
        > made by the Navy serviceman to his parents BEFORE Tuesday's events
        >
        > unfolded, that some elements of the federal government KNEW BEFOREHAND a
        >

        > major terrorist incident was going to occur!
        >
        >
        > The Bush Administration must be turned out NOW. They are in EVERY WAY
        >
        > RESPONSIBLE!
        >
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        >
        >
        >Washington was 'warned of hijack risk'
        >
        >http://disc.server.com/discussion.cg...95article=9019
        >
        >
        >BIN LADEN & HIS CIA CONNECTIONS COME HOME TO ROOST — Michael Moran
        >
        >http://disc.server.com/Indices/149495.html
        >
        >
        >Somebody knew what was coming!
        >
        >http://disc.server.com/discussion.cg...95article=8933
        >

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          #5
          Ibrahim says: This interesting questions was forwarded to me:-

          : ..... How can people GENIUS enough to plan an attack of such magnitude on the US, with all those hijackings and precision actions BE SO STUPID......
          :
          : And why did they leave ARABIC manuals on flying inside their car...??? Were they doing last minute preparations on how to fly a plane??????????

          : They were being trained in FLORIDA in English , why and where would they need/get Arabic manuals???

          Ibrahim says: If it was a Muslim operation , they would indeed have claimed responsibility as such radical organizations or people will consider this a great feat and would have accepted responsibility . hence the notion that an idiot carried a video tape and an Arabic manual on how to fly a plane after being trained for it (God knows how long) is ludicrous. I wonder if they also carried the video player with them in the car? : ) yet forgot to bring it with them to the plane? Maybe they got frightened that customs /airport security will know they are a hijacker if such items was found on them.

          Second scenario : If some on planted it on the hired vehicle ( wonder why they need to hire a vehicle when a cab would have cost them cheaper, unless they were planning to return after the suicide or intentionally get everyone caught : ) which means it was a set up and that is why the whole story stinks.


          :
          : Why did the second tower EXPLODE like the way it did????? Did it have explosives???? Was it blown up???? If so by whom???? Hijackers could not have possibly carried explosives with them among all the security.....!!!!

          Ibrahim says: the same architect claimed that it was designed for such impacts and fire and would be isolated within the respective floors. Even if one allows that a large quantity of fuel was present , it will ONLY blow up on impact, just as we saw on the live feed. Gasoline does not flow without burning and the intense heat would have caused the top floors to literally melt but not the bottom as it did. Heat traveling down a steel column, may melt the steel but not the concrete. Anyway need info on the construction of this building to determine more accurately the possibility of such a destruction. (Test it out, buy a liter of gasoline and try igniting it with a match at a save distance )

          The notion that a passenger plane burning at an upper level , can bring down a 110 story building in less than 2 hours is rather wild. The structure made of steel and concrete does not explode like the manner it did, if it did not contain charges at the right locations to bring it down the way it went down. Research can be done to verify this but apparently it looks as though even the news cameras have been kept away at a distance. whilst the evidence is carted away.


          : When the towers collapsed, how come they never swayed and fell sidewards. Why was it that they fell straight down in the same way other buildings are demolished????????

          Ibrahim says; Because the dust it created, shows the same or similar way old buildings are brought down by demolishers when calculated charges are applied to bring down a building without causing considerable damages to other buildings. My point being it looks rather suspicious that 110 story tower will collapse inward when the cause of its collapse is supposed to be on its upper floors

          : How is it possible that FLIGHT CONTROL TOWER did not know something was wrong in the place when it moved so far off from its path???????

          Ibrahim says; Flights cannot cross over into other space or disappear from the radar, that is the purpose of flight control…maybe we need to think harder. The entire diversion only took 15 minutes, which means this is initial stage of flight and all airports would be monitoring the initial stage much closer than anything else. The fact that no one ( I mean 4 planes running out of control after take of and no one noticing it is down right fishy)
          with current technology , even the movement of planes can be tracked on the web and each plane is equipped with transponders which can secretly notify tower of a hijack. Which none of the 4 pilots were able to do and have done. Very fishy indeed, these hijackers are supposed to be using knives to over power the pilots , maybe they were superman who knows : )

          : How quickly without providing any proof, blame went on Bin Laden. I mean civilized world says, do not accuse without proof.... right?????

          Ibrahim says; If he lives in complete secrecy how and where did you find out the above from?? So some one fed it to you . Mind you I am not supporting anyone here!! I am not saying it cannot be possible !!! I am trying to rationalize this information, that seems to be mind boggling the American superpower for such along time . I mean for someone who is in hiding, a lot is being said , that is supposed to be secret, and yet evading arrest, unless off course the guy is awfully stupid and advertising all this anonymously for all of us to ponder over.

          Second, that last time they used cruise missile to attack two sovereign countries they have yet to destroy this one man, who they seem to know a lot about and most of all ended up destroying someone’s factory and to date have not compensated that poor soul, what sort of justice is that? If you make a mistake, at least one should be man eough to apologize or compensate the guy for his loss.


          : How could 4 planes get hijacked... forget CIA and FBI... what about airport security??????

          Ibrahim says . When the tower itself does not seem to know what happen to all their flight paths, yet when they grounded all the flights within an hour? they were able to conclude no other plane was on flight in American airspace except airforce 1.

          : How can people hijack a plane with so much ease.... despite the fact that Arabs are usually subjected to strip searches and humiliating body checks at airports in US?????

          : Why was it that only Jews came on BBC and CNN to give comments and no views of Muslims were aired.... was there an atmosphere of hate against Muslims being created?????

          Ibrahim says; ehud barak, peres and Sharon appeared on both BBC and CNN talking about what must be done , whereas Muslims just conveyed their condolences. To make matters worse a clip showing Palestinian children and women rejoicing was repeated over and over again , just creating more animosity and hatred at a time when people were grieving and responsible Muslim leaders were conveying their condolences.


          : How could 'terrorists' be so capable so as to fly planes with such precision into buildings???? You cannot fly such a plane unless you have a commercial flight license or have experience in large planes..... so were these regular pilots OR was it all remote controlled....?????

          Ibrahim says; If they were highly trained and highly motivated they do not need video tapes and Arabic manuals on English airplanes, that they had to carry with them to the hired car would they? They would not be leaving their calling cards, passport copies and contacts , so that it can be traced to various other people , even though they knew that they will die, would they?

          This is another scam in my view, just like many others at the cost of hundred of innocent lives , may God have mercy on the innocent and expose the guilty, who have devised this in order to cause more hatred on this planet.

          Devoted to truth
          Ibrahim

          The strong man is one who controls himself in anger

          Comment


            #6
            Originally posted by Masooma:
            " They want to blow out Allah's light with their mouths and Allah is perfecting his Light no matter how disbelievers may hate it. " (61:08)

            Airplane Crashes at W.T.C. &the Pentagon

            Who Benefits Most?


            By M. Amir Ali


            Condemnation: The Muslim leadership of the Chicago area called an emergency meeting to discuss the most horrible crimes committed against American people this morning of September 11, 2001 and the press release which was issued earlier today to the media. This press release condemned terrorist attacks on WTC and the Pentagon which caused a senseless loss of innocent life. The condemnation is unconditional, unequivocal and supports an impartial investigation for bringing perpetrators to full justice. I would like to add that there should be no retaliation against any party or a country without proof but based on suspicion and prejudice. The Muslim leaders of Chicago discussed an action plan to help the victims and survivors of the terrorist attack by sending a team of doctors to New York, donating blood for the victims and sending money to help the needy. Committees were established to implement the resolutions immediately.


            This attack was apparently well coordinated by people who had intricate inside knowledge, technology, money, manpower, motivation, cooperation of a large number of insiders and whatever it took to carry them out. It is, therefore, essential to find who benefits most from these horrible crimes, who would receive cooperation of the insiders, who would have detailed knowledge of vulnerable parts of targeted buildings, technology knowledge to fly those commercial airplanes correctly, knowledge of the force of impact of the airplane for penetration inside WTC and the Pentagon, probability of success without interruption from security apparatus of the U.S., escaping the radar systems and motivation to die and kill.


            1. Motivation: We have to look at the motivation, balancing benefits vs. harm and find who benefits most from this crime.

            (a) True Muslim Group. Those Muslims who have the knowledge of the Qur'an and teachings of the Prophet Muhammad (S) know very well that Islam strictly prohibits killing and injuring those who have not taken up arms against the Muslim even if they belong to the enemy camp. This includes men, women and children of the enemy during a war conditions. World Trade Center cannot be the target of any true Muslim group or individuals because Islamically the people in and around WTC nor those innocent people traveling in the airplanes used for crashes can justifiable be harmed. On this account, if the Pentagon is loosely justifiable as a target, certainly the lives of the passengers on the airplane that was used to hit the Pentagon is not justifiable by any stretch of the imagination. The benefits for any Muslim group are none in this crime but the harms are great. Firstly, the loss of innocent lives which certainly included two to five thousand Muslims who worked at the WTC. Secondly, the bad name given to Islam and the Muslims, which this crime will cause and will make more people hate and fear Islam and Muslims. Any true Muslim would like people to see Islam as a religion of peace, not war, a problem solving way of life, not problem creating. Thirdly, harm may be caused for the Muslims living in the West and North America. There are bigots in the West who are looking for any excuse to harm Muslims, their businesses, their institutions and their religious centers. Even on mere suspicion they are going to cause harm to Muslims and their properties. It is, therefore, obvious that no true Muslim dare do any kind of stupid and un-Islamic activity to harm non-Muslims or their properties.


            (b) Osama Binladin and the Taliban. I know that Osama Binladin is a true Muslim with in depth knowledge of the Qur'an and teachings of the Prophet and I would never suspect that he would do anything against the teachings of Islam and harm anyone who is a civilian and has not taken up arms against Islam or Muslims. His pronouncements are against the military presence of the U.S. in the Muslim lands, particularly, his native land of the Arabian Peninsula, commonly known as Saudi Arabia, which is believed by the Muslims to be sacred. Besides, Osama Binladin knows that any terrorism against American civilians would bring harm to the Muslims living in the West and Islamic interests. I would absolve Osama Binladin from any culpability in any terrorist crime involving civilian and innocent people including the bombings of two American Embassies in East African countries. The Taliban are reported to be led by Islamic scholars who know that they are not to harm any civilians anywhere in the world. I would, therefore, absolve the Taliban from any part in the air crashes at WTC, the Pentagon and other places. Taliban's interpretation of Islam may be extreme but the brunt of their extremism is borne by those living within the boundaries of their government and it does not extend beyond it. Hamas cannot be implicated because their anger is against the Israelis and those who are in Palestine in support of Zionist causes. According to press reports Hamas has justification of harming Israeli civilians but I have no direct contact for verification of these reports. If they have any justification for harming civilians, this would be limited to the Israelis living in Israel. I see no justification for Hamas to launch a very complicated operation such as we are seeing today at WTC and the Pentagon.


            (c) Secularized "Muslims". People like Saddam Hussein, Kaddafi, PLFP, PLO and their brethren who are free from Islamic restrictions and moral scruples behave more like Russians, Americans and Israelis who will strike the enemy on mere suspicion or take revenge beyond ratio and proportion. However, on other grounds, we shall see in the following that they are not capable of carrying out such attacks.


            (d) The Israelis. The world Zionists and Israelis have no true friend left in the world except the U.S., the sole Super Power and this support is slipping out of their grip in favor of Muslims and the Arabs. American public opinion is slowly moving away from the blind and unconditional support of Israel towards neutrality and that makes Israelis very nervous. The loss of Al Gore in the year 2000 has upset Israelis very much and Bush disappoints them even more. It is the rising Muslim population in the U.S. that is very scary for the Zionists. Zionists know that sooner than later, Muslims will become politically active and economically rival the Zionists and that will be the end of American economic, political and military support for Israel. The top of the Israeli agenda is to not only arrest the Muslim growth in America but to reduce Muslim influence. By equating Islam as terrorism and Muslims as evil Israel thinks that Israel can achieve her goal. Zionists want to create terror in the minds of American people when they hear Islam, Muslim and Arab. Zionists want to see that Muslims and Arabs are attacked and their properties burned down so that the environment of the Spanish inquisition days are recreated in the 21st century U.S. so that Muslims either leave Islam for their own security or are murdered or exiled. Israel has found that terrorism outside the U.S. has not scared American people enough, therefore, it was necessary to carry out terrorism within the U.S. and label it as the work of the Muslims and Arabs. This author continues to believe that WTC bombing of 1993 was the work of Israelis which resulted in amendments of the immigration laws and the Secret Evidence Law of 1996, restricting immigration of Muslims and creating an environment of fear for some. However, this was not enough to reduce Muslim influence in America and required more work. Air crashes at the WTC and the Pentagon are their follow up to create terror in the American public so that they will turn against Muslims and the Arabs. It is, therefore obvious that the Israelis have a strong motivation to carry out attacks and label it upon the Muslims and the Arabs. In fact, this is the only way left for their own security and keeping the U.S. as their protector.


            2. Technology and Scientific Knowledge: This successful air crash required a lot of technology and scientific know how. As the media is saying, large commercial airplanes have a button for announcing hijacking, which were not touched in three air crashes, why not? If hijackers were in the cockpit and got control over the pilot/s at gun point, it is inconceivable that the pilot will obey their orders and crash the plane into the buildings in dead-center without trying to avoid the target and missing it. If hijackers removed the pilots from their seats and took over piloting themselves, that would require the knowledge of flying a commercial airplane and hit the target at dead-center. They needed not one but a crew of pilots for four airplanes,. Who has the capability except Israelis who have Zionists employed by the American companies and willing to strike the target at dead-center without cautioning anyone or using the hijacking warning button. There is probability that the hijackers were familiar people to the crew and the pilots, therefore, when they entered the cockpit there was no resistance or suspicion of terrorism. Reportedly, hijackers turned off transponders in the cockpit and possibly the black box which could give clues to their identities.


            Striking the target buildings require precise knowledge where the building is most vulnerable to cause maximum damage. We know that the Israelis and Zionists have or had access to the building and knew it very well.


            Also, terrorists needed knowledge of the radar system and holes in the system so that they could steer the plane away from the designated flying corridor yet not be detected. This required inside knowledge of the system. New York being a Zionist dominated city has knowledge available to them and the willingness to use it.


            3. Cooperation and Coordination: Successfully crashing three airplanes within two hours at three targets, two of them far apart by several hundred miles requires tremendous amount of cooperation and coordination. It has to be a military-like operation. The work would require a lot of inside information, which no other group has access to except American Zionists. Most importantly, getting on aboard airplanes with weapons or an insider without weapon, knowledge of radar system and holes within it, timing of three separate attacks require coordination. The only people who can plan, coordinate and carry it out in complete secrecy are the Zionists of America and Israelis. I am sure that there are numerous Zionists working within the radar system, working as pilots in all commercial airline companies, working in the security system and so on. Neither Hamas, nor Osama Binladin nor the Taliban nor any other group has the sophistication required for this operation.


            Within the last twenty years Israel and the Zionists had two American Administrations who were very friendly and cooperative with the Israelis, the Reagan and the Clinton-Gore. Bushes were not seen by the Zionists as friendly as they would like them to be. The fact that Bush II has spoken in favor of the Muslims and the Arabs scares Israelis and they would like force Bush to work against the Muslims. Israelis hope that these air crashes would do the trick.


            The world will not get a handle on terrorism until the Israelis are included as suspects in the world of terrorism and scuttle her activities. State terrorism by Israel in Palestine is well known but not well recognized. The world has to come around to blame where the blame belongs - Israel.


            American Muslim Response: American Muslims should acted inn two ways, (a) immediate response to bigotry and attacks against Muslims, and (b) solve the problem of terrorism by removing tyranny, injustice and the double standard of the U.S. government.


            Response to Bigotry. There will be hundreds of attacks against Muslims and Arabs but Muslims and Arabs should follow the guidance of the Qur'an, kuffu aydiyakum, meaning tie down your hands. It means, take all the abuse but do not respond in any manner and this will win many hearts in our favor. Sabr in adversity (see the Qur'an 2:177) meaning patience (no revenge) and perseverance should be our response. This was the Prophet's response and he is our role model.


            Long Term Strategy. There can be no alternative to educating American people about Islam, Muslims and issues, which affect Muslims and the world, such as Palestine, Kashmir, Chechnya and others. Ignorance is the mother of prejudice, hate and fear; education removes ignorance. Muslim Americans have the responsibility of educating American people and in ten years we can complete this phase of the work.


            September 11, 2001




            u r the same lady miss khan?

            if yes what happened to our ms.n chat?

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              #7
              Ibrahim, I did not read your whole post, just the part about the collapse of WTC.
              The plane had enough fuel to carry it to Los Angeles non stop. Right at the impact the plane exploded like a bomb due to tons of extremely volatile fuel in it. The temperature of burning jet fuel can easily reach more than 1500 deg centigrade, enough to melt the steel columns around. It led to total destruction and disintegration of floors in the top two third of bulding just like a knife will slice the butter which caused the top 10-20 intact floors to fall freely on the bottom floors. The impact of falling top floors was enough to collapse the whole building.

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                #8
                Originally posted by analyze it:
                Ibrahim, I did not read your whole post, just the part about the collapse of WTC.
                The plane had enough fuel to carry it to Los Angeles non stop. Right at the impact the plane exploded like a bomb due to tons of extremely volatile fuel in it. The temperature of burning jet fuel can easily reach more than 1500 deg centigrade, enough to melt the steel columns around. It led to total destruction and disintegration of floors in the top two third of bulding just like a knife will slice the butter which caused the top 10-20 intact floors to fall freely on the bottom floors. The impact of falling top floors was enough to collapse the whole building.

                Ibrahim says; Well that is what they are claiming for the collapse

                Now consider this:

                1) The Top did not melt or disintegrate as the bottom did, it came down as is ( watch carefully the clips on this) It still remains on top. Which is being cut up by the clean up crew. I have been observing why they are not showing any Arial view on this, whatever they show or only parts. Most of it is being hidden from public view.

                I have observed that American media can use helicopters and follow vehicles on the street but so far not one clip on the entire scene. There are even satellite photos obtained by media in many cases but here none.

                2) there are reports that there is a crater two foot ball size and building has actually sunk into this crater ( just ;like a volcano) . which is why fireman find difficulty in removing the debris.

                This crater means the building collapsed internally like as if the support pillars inside ( would be reinforced concrete and not steel I suppose ) disintegrated as if they have been weakened by explosive charges.

                Anyway it would be good if some engineers studied this very seriously but here again the evidence is NOT SHOWN TO THE PUBLIC AT LARGE . Researchers need to obtain actual video clips from many news orgs to put together the events as it took place. The immense dust created are common sign of explosive charges and not just sear weight causing the buckling of concrete and steel . The dust was reported to be fine dust and covered four inches over a large area. The implication that the combustion led to the evaporation of glass only applies to upper floors where the fire was prevalent and not to lower floors where there was NO fire

                Second similar situation took place in pentagon , notice how the structure came down , pentagon too has underground floors ( just like the WTC) six floors or four down ( from what I have heard from news reports) the heat produced would be the same as in WTC, notice the difference in the debris , there was NO DUST like in the wtc and the top never integrated just like the WTC and the side floors are still intact and did not disintegrate. ( no melt down or debris or dust)

                Further more the WTC architect who are jews, claimed in CNN that they designed the building with such calculations/situations in mind and most of all automatic safety mechanism would have kicked in, the moment the fire started. Reports from people fleeing from the 78 floor reveals water was present , meaning the sprinklers were functioning which would have reduced the heat in lower floors , even though the fire department may have not started dowsing the fires like in the case of the pentagon.

                Most of all it took only less than two hours to bring down the entire structures, which is unthinkable, this is better than any missile the armed forces have been able to produce so far…which makes me wonder how two airplanes were able to achieve.

                Again no clip of this being shown to the public, in fact they seems to be an attempt to reduce the coverage as much as possible. Only Allah (swt) knows what actually took place for now, but as rational people we need to consider why there is limited coverage and why would someone plant evidence like the car having Arabic flight manuals and video tapes, hijackers leaving Qur’an in strip joints and lately after all the fire and explosion a passport being found intact many blocks away which is supposed to belong to the Arab hijacker.

                Initially too, Sen Orin hatch claiming they was an intercept and they knew it was OBL, which Colin Powell denied than they advised that secrets should be kept secret in the media to safeguard American interests , which some journalists were questioning , now all claim its was OBL and the current evidence for it is that they have a picture of two suspected terrorists meeting in Kuala Lumpur , one of them suspected in the USS cole and other in the WTC. Hence OBL is the culprit according to them.

                These details just don’t add up , which leads one to believe that someone is fabricating evidence. To unjustly defame individuals and groups.

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                  #9
                  I dont understand what you mean by reduced and limited coverage. I live in USA and since this tragedy all news channel have shown nothing but nonstop coverage without commercials detailing every aspect of this terrorist act. The clips showing actual impact to WTC have been shown hundreds of time literally. If you live in Malaysia, you may not have seen it so often.
                  Aerial view could not be shown earlier because all flights were banned but today thew showed the aerial view of the aftermath.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by aMiGo:
                    Another theory is that american intelligence knew about this, or even worse did play an active role in this horrendous act.
                    B I N G O!!! Scored a bull's eye

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                      #11
                      Think how four people with samll knifes can control big flights

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by analyze
                        I dont understand what you mean by reduced and limited coverage.
                        Ibrahim says; I mean, the crash site was not covered by the media, because the media were kept away as much as possible but in investigations one need to have crash site intact or have pictures of where each piece landed to reconstruct the events.

                        Investigators would understand what I am saying ( I used to be one ages ago) , it is most important in all crime scenes but from my vantage point (in the Philippines) from what ever I can gather as what was shown, the way the events happened was suspicious and most of all what is being presented to point the finger at the culprits seems very fishy.

                        Originally posted by analyze it:
                        Aerial view could not be shown earlier because all flights were banned but today thew showed the aerial view of the aftermath.
                        Ibrahim says; Yes ! only today after the crime scene has been messed up with 22,000 tons removed and much more displaced.

                        Anyway the most important issue here is when one is sincere in wanting to catch the culprits. there is no need to fabricate evidence or misrepresent events.


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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Ali_R:
                          B I N G O!!! Scored a bull's eye
                          > Date Thu, 13 Sept 2001 6:59:42am
                          >
                          > Email: "David Stern" <[email protected]>
                          > Sent-To: [email protected], [email protected],
                          > [email protected], [email protected],
                          > [email protected], [email protected]
                          > Subj: News alert
                          >
                          > NEWS EMBARGO AFTER ISRAELI LINK LEAK
                          >
                          > Stern-Intel (Canada). A US military intelligence source revealed
                          > details of an internal intelligence memo that points to the
                          > Israeli Mossad intelligence service having links to the World
                          > Trade Center and Pentagon attacks. The intelligence source, who
                          > requested his name be withheld, confirmed the internal US
                          > intelligence memo circulated four weeks ago described information
                          > that pointed to the threat of a covert Israeli operation on US
                          > soil to turn mass public opinion against Palestinian Arabs via an
                          > apparent terrorist attack on US interests that would give Israel
                          > the green light to implement a large scale military onslaught
                          > against the Palestinian Arab population.
                          >
                          > The 11 September attack has been described by experts as being too
                          > sophisticated for a lone terrorist group to execute. "This attack
                          > required a high level of military precision and the resources of
                          > an advanced intelligence agency. In addition, the attackers would
                          > have needed to be extremely familiar with both air force one
                          > flight operations, civil airline flight paths and aerial assault
                          > tactics on sensitive US cities like Washington, Stated David Stern
                          > an expert on Israeli intelligence operations.

                          >
                          > The attacks targeted the Pentagon, World Trade Center towers, with
                          > the white house and air force also being targets according to the
                          > FBI.
                          >
                          > "The attacks have certainly turned US public opinion firmly back
                          > in Israel's favor after 11 months of Palestinian uprising, heavy
                          > criticism of Israel
                          >
                          > over war crimes allegations and racism by a UN conference in
                          > Durban. The attacks serve no Arab group or nation's interests but
                          > their timing came in the midst of international condemnation of
                          > Israel for its policy of death squad assassination of Palestinian
                          > political and police figures", added Stern.
                          >
                          > If verified, the news of Israel's involvement in the US attack
                          > will come as no surprise to intelligence experts. The state of
                          > Israel has a long history of covert operations against Western
                          > targets with attacks on the King David Hotel, USS Liberty, murder
                          > of a Scandinavian UN envoy as well as espionage against the US
                          > during the Jonathan Pollard case.
                          >
                          > On Wednesday the US defense department issued a warning to its
                          > officials to halt the leak of information on the investigation
                          > which it says is happening on a daily basis since the attacks
                          > occurred.
                          >

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                            #14
                            Thank you very much people for sharing your knowledge and understanding of this situation. I totally agree with Ibrahim on his answers and explaination.

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                              #15
                              Ibrahim says; Further evidence for reduced coverage and coverup

                              >5 Israelis detained for `puzzling behavior' after WTC tragedy
                              >
                              >http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pa...266contrassID=
                              2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0listSrc=Y
                              >
                              >By Yossi Melman
                              >
                              >Five Israelis who had worked for a moving company
                              >based in New Jersey are being held in U.S. prisons for
                              >what the Federal Bureau of Investigation has described
                              >as "puzzling behavior" following the terror attack on
                              >the World Trade Center in New York last Tuesday. The
                              >five are expected to be deported sometime soon.
                              >
                              >The families of the five, who asked that their names
                              >not be released, said that their sons had been
                              >questioned by the FBI for hours on end, had been kept
                              >in solitary confinement for three days, and had been
                              >humiliated, stripped of their clothes and blindfolded.
                              >
                              >
                              >The mother of one of the young men explained the chain
                              >of events as she understands it to Ha'aretz:
                              >
                              >She said that the five had worked for the company,
                              >which is owned by an Israeli, for between two months
                              >and two years. They had been arrested some four hours
                              >after the attack on the Twin Towers while filming the
                              >smoking skyline from the roof of their company's
                              >building, she said. It appears that they were spotted
                              >by one of the neighbors who called the police and the
                              >FBI.
                              >
                              >The mother said that the families and friends of the
                              >five in Israel had known nothing of the men's
                              >whereabouts for a number of days.
                              >
                              >"When they finally let my son make a phone call for
                              >the first time to a friend in the United States two
                              >days ago, he told him that he had been tortured by the
                              >FBI in a basement," the mother said. "He was stripped
                              >to his underwear; he was blindfolded and questioned
                              >for 14 hours. They thought that because he has
                              >citizenship of a European country as well as of Israel
                              >that he was working for the Mossad [Israel's secret
                              >service]."
                              >
                              >Seven FBI agents later stormed the apartment of one of
                              >the Israelis, searched it and questioned his roommate.
                              >The Israeli owner of the company, who has U.S.
                              >citizenship, was also questioned. Both men were
                              >subsequently released.
                              >
                              >The families here complained that the Israeli
                              >consulate in New York and the situation room set up by
                              >the Foreign Ministry there to locate missing Israelis
                              >had done nothing to help their sons. The Foreign
                              >Ministry told the families that the FBI had denied
                              >holding the five and that the consulate had chosen to
                              >believe the FBI, the mother said.
                              >
                              >The five were transferred out of the FBI's facility on
                              >Saturday morning and are now being held in two prisons
                              >in New Jersey by the Immigration and Naturalization
                              >Services. They are charged with illegally residing in
                              >the United States and working there without permits.
                              >
                              >The Foreign Ministry said in response that it had been
                              >informed by the consulate in New York that the FBI had

                              >arrested the five for "puzzling behavior." They are
                              >said to have had been caught videotaping the disaster
                              >and shouting in what was interpreted as cries of joy
                              >and mockery.

                              >

                              [This message has been edited by Ibrahim (edited September 17, 2001).]

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