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    Honor Killings

    A father in Turkey killed his daughter because he saw her talking to boys. To preserve the family honor, he butchered his daughter, made his daughter-in-law clean up the mess and had his sons bury the girl.

    This Honor Killing happens in the rural areas of many "Islamic" countries. And they cite Islam to justify their actions. I'm not an expert on Islam but it seems so barbaric that it can't be Islam. Islam I thought raised the status of women from the previous barbaric times. Regardless of what the girl was doing, shouldn't Allah be the judge and hand out the punishment/reward?

    What's your take on this? And is this Islamically justified?

    #2
    Originally posted by Muni:
    A father in Turkey killed his daughter because he saw her talking to boys. To preserve the family honor, he butchered his daughter, made his daughter-in-law clean up the mess and had his sons bury the girl.

    This Honor Killing happens in the rural areas of many "Islamic" countries. And they cite Islam to justify their actions. I'm not an expert on Islam but it seems so barbaric that it can't be Islam. Islam I thought raised the status of women from the previous barbaric times. Regardless of what the girl was doing, shouldn't Allah be the judge and hand out the punishment/reward?

    What's your take on this? And is this Islamically justified?

    There was a documentary on honor killing. It is practised in several countries. They showed christians in Jordan involved in such acts.

    Recently they did a Karo Kari in Sindh, check daily Jang.....

    The list of counties included

    Middle eastern Arab Countries
    Israel
    India
    Pak
    South America.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Abdali:

      Recently they did a Karo Kari in Sindh, check daily Jang.....
      Xcusie, what's "Karo Kari" and I'm guessing the daily Jang is a news paper?

      We all come from different backgrounds, in the future can you guys explain, non-English terms?

      Thanks

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        #4
        Karo Kari is a kind of honour killing. It is barbaric and practised in Sindh, Balochistan, and southern Punjab. Some of the stories are really horrible. Basically, it is a tool to manipulate women by the men.

        Honour killing has got nothing to do with religion but people use Islamic laws to their benefit and carry out such barbaric killings.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Muni:
          is this Islamically justified?
          It's against humanity.

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            #6
            It is not islamically justified, You have to have a trial before giving any think of punishment. Honor Killing is more of a cultural thing then a religious one. Ignorant people hide behind the curtain of religion. Allah knows all a punish us for our crimes.

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              #7
              Honour killings have no basis in Islam, whatsoever.

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                #8
                How about Honour Beatings ????

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Tanhaa:
                  How about Honour Beatings ????
                  What's that?

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                    #10

                    Isn't Honour beatings when you get a:


                    Beating with Honour, for Honour, to defend Honour!!!!!!!

                    Not bad hey!!

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Muni:
                      What's your take on this? And is this Islamically justified?
                      Muni, thanks for the interesting queries. "Honor" killings are practiced in a number of Muslim countries - whether it be Pakistan, Jordan, Kuwait, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc. In Pakistan, according to internationally-respected Pakistani human rights activists Asma Jehangir and her sister Hina Jilani, this practice is increasing.

                      To ascertain whether or not this barbaric act has a basis in Islam, the best recourse might be to go through the Quran and/or the Sunnah; (the latter comprises the sayings and deeds of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), whom Muslims consider to be the last Messenger of Allah). It is related in the Sunnah that, "The most perfect in faith amongst believers is he who is best in manners and kindest to his wife."

                      In the Quran, there are a number of references regarding the importance of seeking knowledge - this is enjoined not solely upon males but equally upon females as well. "Honor" killings have no justification in Islam whatsoever. It is a barbaric custom left over, perhaps, from feudal times. On news reports and such, you may hear the perpetrators of "honor" killings claiming to do it in the name of "honor", in the name of "Allah", etc. etc., but I'm afraid it has no basis whatsoever in Islam.

                      [This message has been edited by Nadia_H (edited August 09, 2001).]

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                        #12
                        My observation is that they mostly kill / revenge from enemies in name of 'karo-kari' or 'honor killing'. They get to kill their enemy and in the process kill some women in their family.

                        Very cruel, non-Islamic.

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                          #13
                          The honor killing is nothing to do with Islam. People may bring something from Quran/Hadith to back their action but reality and facts are that these honor killings are nothing to do with Islam. In islamic terms these are murders and those reponsible should be punished by state.

                          However honor killing is cultural thing which haunting the womens of mostly islamic countries.It is most unfortunate for muslims. However looking at the where killings are took place, it can be said that these kiiling are took place in society which lack resources and suffered from poverty and education.

                          In pakistan it seems that our religious parties are against the NGO's who work for womens and miniorities. These NGO's have lot of problems working in counties like pakistan and afghanistan where the worker are contineusly threaten by people.

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                            #14


                            Since Honour killing mostly involves

                            1/young men

                            2/done under sudden rage (anger control issue)

                            3/ usually preceded by some acts involving women related to the opposite sex (men)


                            4/ the act is not seen as improper by female


                            5/ from male persepective ,even if clouded by psychological aberrrent rage ,belief that the female in defiance were having affair or being flirteceous or not being strictlly hijabi or some other perception.

                            I dont see it is Islamic edict to kill or be violent ,but in reality most illiterate men are comparatively ,culturally given to settling score by force.


                            On part of women ,it may be for basic survival to comply with the local custom ,even if for reason as simple as self preservation.


                            Islam should not be associated with this jelousy -rage - manhood -misunderstanding -defiance issue

                            If anything it is pure psycho-social cultural issue

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                              #15
                              In Texas, USA if you catch your wife with someone else in bed and you kill both in a rage you will get away with a slap on the wrist.

                              Can that also be considered as honor killing?


                              [This message has been edited by Abdali (edited August 09, 2001).]

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