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    Why we can not have Dogs?

    Here is a question that has been pondered
    many times. I have been told by many that
    we are not allowed to have dogs... and I do
    abide by that.... but where is the religious
    significance... please cite... do not want
    word of mouth por favor! Is it cuz they
    defacate and urinate everywhere... that they
    are not pak.... cuz i know many dogs that can be trained to go to the bathroom to facilitate
    their excrements.
    Ok... nuff of this nasty stuff.... so please
    respond!!!

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    #2
    Originally posted by Y2Mu:
    Is it cuz they
    defacate and urinate everywhere... that they
    are not pak.... cuz i know many dogs that can be trained to go to the bathroom to facilitate their excrements.

    The technology has facilitated us so much that now a days even pigs are reared in such a way that they eat what they have been fed and not their own crap so does it mean that we should start eating pigs as well.

    In my humble opinion, we don't look at dogs or pigs being clean but rather if it is allowed by Quran and Sunnah. I know that Quran prohibits us from eating pigs so no matter how clean pigs become I am not allowed to eat it coz it is the word of Allah and I don't have courage to go against his word. I don't know about the dogs but same would be true about dogs as well.

    I hope it answers your question.

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      #3

      Not keeping dogs as pets is an issue raised from authentic A'Hadeeth, however guard dogs are arguably permitted. You really need to check the A'Hadeeth for further info.

      The Qur'aan does not mention the issue about dogs, but does mention the Swine and makes it non-permissable on a general basis, but is allowed in a life and death situation.

      Here is the proof from the Qur'aan:

      005.004 Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah; that which hath been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by being gored to death; that which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal; unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form); that which is sacrificed on stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows: that is impiety. This day have those who reject faith given up all hope of your religion: yet fear them not but fear Me. This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, Allah is indeed Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

      016.115 He has only forbidden you dead meat, and blood, and the flesh of swine, and any (food) over which the name of other than Allah has been invoked. But if one is forced by necessity, without wilful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits,- then Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.


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        #4
        I thought you could keep dogs but avoid their saliva and stuff and keep them outdoors, which to me makes logical sense.

        Did'nt as-haab-e-kahaf have a dog anyways
        The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he did not exist. And like that... he is gone.

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          #5
          Dog for Ashab-e-Kahaf was meant to be for their protection (guard dog).

          As far as "logical sense" is concerned, what would u say about eating pork if it can be reared in a clean environment. I found this hadith on the issue of dog and I hope that it might be of any help.

          The Prophet said, "Whoever keeps a (pet) dog which is neither a watch dog nor a hunting dog, will get a daily deduction of two Qirat from his good deeds."
          Source: Sahih Al Bukhari

          Personally, I have an objection to dog that instead of feeding a dog why not I donate that money to a poor in charity and also I think that interacting with humans is dearer to me than a dog.

          One of the thing which I have noticed in the western society that they have pets (dogs, cats etc) and they are happy alone. Maybe, it's my observation.

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            #6
            okay so buy a guard dog...and who is to decide what is a guard dog then. maybe i consider a damn chihuahua as a guard dog.

            Dont take my comments out of context, i was talkign explicitly about dogs and how they should be kept outside and the saliva avoided.

            Unlike pork which is absolutely forbidden, keeping dogs is not prohibited all out.

            The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he did not exist. And like that... he is gone.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Fraudz:
              I thought you could keep dogs but avoid their saliva and stuff and keep them outdoors, which to me makes logical sense.

              Did'nt as-haab-e-kahaf have a dog anyways
              I think I agree with Fraudz. I have heard/read somewhere that we cant touch dog's fur, its saliva and have them pollute inside of our house. If you can follow this direction, then I don't see any reason why you cant have a pet dog.

              As for my own opinion, I don't feel comfortable with having any kinds of pet.

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                #8
                Fraudz>>>and who is to decide what is a guard dog then.<<<

                "innamal aamal o bin niyaat" (Every action is based upon intention)

                I didn't use that example out of context but merely stated coz u were mentioning "logical reasons" and our logical reasons are based on the criteria that we have got and might not be appropriate.

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                  #9
                  Emotional arguments for/against keeping a dog is not what was asked for, what is needed is evidence from Quraan and Sunnah.

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                    #10
                    People People... when did i ever mention a pig
                    it is logical enough no matter how clean a swine
                    might be... it is totally not allowed.
                    I was simply asking about a dog. The ones who
                    answered my question except whoever responded with
                    a hadith citation, have the same dilemma as me.
                    We have heard that we can not have dogs
                    or we cannot have their saliva on us or pet their
                    fur... but where is the proof... i gotta check
                    bout that hadith on the dog... but otherwise
                    i hope you understand what i mean... why have
                    a guard dog if you don't feed it show it love
                    so when any harm approaches you... it remembers
                    that love and protects you....
                    one does not raise a wild animal and expect it
                    to act obedient....
                    and anyway... no i am not an animal lover
                    i do not have a dog cat or any other animal
                    you ponder
                    just some curiosities running through my mind


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                      #11
                      but people forget pigs are biologically close to humans as for as heart valve
                      and other tissues. it really saves lives.
                      there is always some use cant ignore anything

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                        #12
                        keeping a dog as a pet, why need a pet anyway? why not keep a she-goat that'd help you in other ways.. why do we have to follow west so much as to keep a dog as pet. why not bird pets?

                        there are several ahadith which tell us that you can keep dogs only for PROTECTION purposes (mainly for protection of other animals in farms).
                        according to a hadith, NO ANGEL enters a house where there are pictures and dogs...

                        this should end "hear-say" saga.

                        what else do you want? EXACT source of these ahadith? yes, sure I'll bring them next time.

                        Mr Rvikz, you are allowed to eat it if you are non-muslim, probably they were created for non-muslims (to 'enjoy' swine flesh). As indicated already, consumption of swine is allowed ONLY in matters of life n death (medical reasons)... not to "enjoy" pepperoni, bacon, sausage etc.

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                          #13
                          Question:

                          ALSALAAM ALAIKUM

                          I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT KEEPING PETS IN THE HOUSE.I KNOW THAT THE KALB(DOG)IS CONSIDERED NIJASA, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY.

                          I REMEMBER A SECTION IN THE Qur'an WHERE THE PROPHET PEACE BE UPON HIM ONCE GAVE A THIRSTY DOG WATER TO DRINK OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.

                          COULD YOU PLEASE ELABORATE.

                          THANK YOU

                          Answer:

                          Praise be to Allaah.

                          According to Islaamic Sharee’ah, it is not permitted to keep a dog except within narrowly-defined limits, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) explained: "Whoever keeps a dog, his good deeds will decrease every day by one qeeraat (a unit of measurement), unless it is a dog for farming or herding." According to another report: ". . . unless it is a dog for herding sheep, farming or hunting." (Reported by al-Bukhaari, al-Fath, 2322)

                          Dogs are extremely naajis (impure, unclean). The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "If a dog drinks from the vessel of any one of you, let him wash it seven times" (reported by Muslim, no. 279). According to another report: ". . . and clean it the eighth time with earth." (Saheeh Muslim, no. 280).

                          It is forbidden in Islaam to sell a dog and to receive payment for it, as is reported in Saheeh al-Bukhaari from Abu Mas’oud al-Ansaari: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade (accepting) the price of a dog. (al-Fath, no. 2237)

                          The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told us not to resemble dogs by placing our forearms on the ground during sujood (prostration), as in reported in the hadeeth narrated by Anas ibn Maalik, according to which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Do sujood properly; none of you should spread his forearms like a dog does." (al-Bukhaari, Fath, no. 822).

                          Whoever keeps a dog in his house is denied the blessing of the angels’ presence in his house, as the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "The angels do not enter a house in which there is a dog." (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 3225).

                          Keeping dogs nowadays is the habit of the kuffaar, who adopt them as friends, kiss them, let them lick them and their clothes, sleep with them and even leave them money in their wills. Keeping a dog is an imitation of the kuffaar. Some Muslims may claim that they need to keep a dog at home for purposes of protection, to which we respond that nowadays there are burglar alarm systems and other measures one may take for security purposes, and there is no need to keep a dog, praise be to Allaah.

                          It only remains for us to say that the fact that it is forbidden to keep a dog and interect closely with it does not mean that we should not be kind or feel compassion towards dogs if we see them in a pitiful state. These are two entirely separate matters. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told us that "a man saw a dog biting the dust because of thirst, so he took his shoe and started to scoop water up with it until the dog’s thirst was quenched. Allaah appreciated his good deed and granted him entry to Paradise for it." (Reported by al-Bukhaari, no. 174).

                          According to another report, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Whilst a man was walking he became very thirsty, so he went down to a well and drank from it. When he came out, he saw a dog panting and biting the soil because of thirst. The man said, ‘He is suffering the same as I suffered,’ so he filled his shoe (with water), came out and let the dog drink until his thirst was quenched. Allaah appreciated his good deed and forgave him because of it." The people asked, "O Messenger of Allaah, will we be rewarded for how we treat animals?" He said, "In every living thing there is a reward." (Reported by al-Bukhaari, Fath, no. 2363).

                          We do not want to omit reminding you of the importance of reading the Qur’aan properly and referring to it. You say in your question that the story of the thirsty dog is in the Qur’aan, and that is not the case, as it is reported in the Sunnah.

                          And Allaah knows best.

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                          22.1 . O mankind! Fear your Lord . Lo! the earthquake of the Hour ( of Doom ) is a tremendous thing .

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                            #14
                            Thanks Hinna... my thoughts are verified.
                            I do not have a dog... but i know some
                            muslims who do have a dog... and when i tell
                            them that they should not... they said prove
                            it and i feel sorta dumbfounded.... i simply
                            respond through hearsay.

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                              #15
                              Y2Mu, this thread might also help you out,
                              http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/Forum13/HTML/002409.html

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