Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Disturbing News

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

    Disturbing News

    Call yourself a proud Queer, faggot, or a homo, but please don't call yourself a Muslim becuase you'll never be one..
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/wor...00/1405460.stm


    Despite death threats, a Muslim gay and lesbian group called al-Fatiha has chosen San Francisco's Gay Pride weekend to go public and call on fellow Muslims to demonstrate greater tolerance.

    Most Muslim gays either feel they have to give up the family or their sexuality

    Naveed Merchant
    The group has been set up to help gay followers of Islam to reconcile their sexuality with their religion.

    Homosexuality is forbidden in Muslim cultures; in certain Islamic countries it is regarded as a criminal activity punishable by death.

    Merchant "really believes" Allah made him gay

    Group members held a candle-lit vigil in San Francisco's gay district and plan to join the Gay Pride march through the city.

    Some spoke of the problems they had experienced in 'coming out', of the opposition they had encountered amongst family and friends who considered homosexuality an affront to Islam.

    'Either Muslim or gay'

    Naveed Merchant told me he had attempted suicide before eventually making contact with al-Fatiha Foundation through the Internet.

    At first his family recommended electric shock treatment, before reluctantly coming to terms with his lifestyle.

    It's the 31st Gay Pride march in the city

    But he says most gay Muslims feel they either have to give up the family or they give up their sexuality.

    "I decided that I wasn't going to give up either. I really believe that Allah made me this way," he said.

    The group hopes to start a global gay Muslim movement to help silent brothers and sisters find their own voice in the Muslim world and ease the suffering of those tormented by their sexuality.

    Going to hell

    The opposition they will face from orthodox Muslims was in evidence at a city centre mosque where Muslim leader Ajaf Shaikh insisted such conduct was sinful.

    Gay Muslims have their own congregation in the city

    "Anybody acting in these kind of activity will go to the hell. And the Muslim culture and religion is totally against this kind of activity. And Muslim religion don't allow these kind of activities," he told me.

    Reconciling sexual orientation with religion is something that gay men and women of other faiths have already had to grapple with.

    Islam, traditionally a religion of tolerance, is now facing the same considerable challenge.

    #2
    Originally posted by Abdullah k:
    Call yourself a proud Queer, faggot, or a homo, but please don't call yourself a Muslim becuase you'll never be one..
    Well said.
    That is all that is needed to be said on the issue.

    ------------------
    Our's not to reason why,
    Our's but to do and die:
    You can't fix stupid. So might as well troll them!

    Comment


      #3
      Originally posted by Abdullah k:
      Call yourself a proud Queer, faggot, or a homo, but please don't call yourself a Muslim becuase you'll never be one..
      It's not allowed in Islam, simple. If the politicians of the west want to promote this among non-Muslims we can do little. But if the western politcian's try to promote this among Muslims then we must resist it.

      Comment


        #4
        The disturbing trend is that a Muslim is described as intolerant if he/she condemns sodomy. The fact is that these organizations should be brought under lime-light and challenged before they have a chance of raising their ugly heads.

        The teachings of Islam cannot be twisted in conjunction with your lifestyle. A Momin is to submit himself to the will of Allah to be a true Muslim.

        [This message has been edited by Abdullah k (edited June 24, 2001).]

        Comment


          #5
          So how do we solve this problem then?

          Comment


            #6
            [QUOTE]Originally posted by Abdullah k:
            [B]Call yourself a proud Queer, faggot, or a homo, but please don't call yourself a Muslim becuase you'll never be one..

            Although i hate those who are disobedient to Allah (swt) saying that those gay people will never be muslim is too harsh. they are infact still muslims, as those who committ adultry, rape, fornication, theft etc., but they have committed kufr. We should help and pray to Allah to guide these people.

            Comment


              #7
              Since we are Muslims, and the Islamic Aqeeda is our Aqeeda. This Aqeeda is what we refer to when looking to solve any of our problems.

              When looking to the problem of Homosexuality, we look to our Aqeeda, we refer to the Quran and the Sunnah.

              We understand that Homosexuality is forbidden in Islam. It is a haraam action.

              If any of us decide to commit an action which is forbidden in Islam, we are entitled to be punishement. The punishment is set by none other than our Lord.

              Living in a society which pushes the idea of having 'freedom'.It allows each individual to make his/her own desicions.

              How can we then carry out the punishments, as this society does not view Homosexuality as 'bad'.

              Is it enough for us to just hate this action?
              Did the prophet(saw) just show hate to the people who worshipped idols? Or did he do more than this?

              By examining and studying the existing problems, we find the reason which has bought such actions to this level, is the system we live under. As it allows the freedom/s to be exercised in such a manner.

              So, the solution can only be in removing the existing system and replacing it with the Islamic system. In which actions are determined to be good or bad in regards to weather they are halal or haram.

              We should look to the Prophet(saw) as our role model. He did not compromise his deen with Kufr. He implemented the whole of it, he did this practicaly by establishing the Islamic State in Madinah.
              This in effect distroyed the basis of the society of the non-muslims by replacing it with the systems of Islam.

              Our Lord has already given us the laws, all we need is to have a leadership that views this world from the angle of Islam.

              Only then can we solve issues such as Homosexuality, and other problems we face today, and that we are going to face tomorrow.

              Comment


                #8
                c'mon. there are muslims who are liars, smugglers, thieves, adulters, pimps and of course celebrated terrorists. if a muslim can be all this, why not a homosexual?

                Comment


                  #9
                  Being gay is beyond one's preference. It is something Physiological and science even doubts if the reasons could be in genes.

                  Now, didn't allah make him/her gay? If gay people cannot be muslim, then Islam is the loser! If Islam doesn't teach you to love and accept people without worrying about their sexual preferences then Islam is fundamentally weak!

                  Accept people as they are! Or else, you are on a collision course with humanity. Christianity learnt it long back. Hindusim doesnt even care about this. And it is time for Islam to change!

                  Comment


                    #10
                    Originally posted by ZZ:
                    c'mon. there are muslims who are liars, smugglers, thieves, adulters, pimps and of course celebrated terrorists. if a muslim can be all this, why not a homosexual?
                    Liars - Sin
                    Smugglers - pretty sure it is not allowed.
                    Thieves - Sin
                    Adulters - Sin
                    Pimps - Sin

                    Gay - Sin

                    Those who commit these acts are not following islamic principles.
                    And Allah will judge them accordingly.
                    So what do you want to discuss??

                    ------------------
                    Our's not to reason why,
                    Our's but to do and die:
                    You can't fix stupid. So might as well troll them!

                    Comment


                      #11
                      "Liars - Sin
                      Smugglers - pretty sure it is not allowed.
                      Thieves - Sin
                      Adulters - Sin
                      Pimps - Sin

                      Gay - Sin

                      Those who commit these acts are not following islamic principles.
                      And Allah will judge them accordingly.
                      So what do you want to discuss?? "


                      Great , so Allah will punish all the sinners.

                      Now my question:

                      1. Should the Govt. of Pakistan punish the persons for each of these acts.

                      2. Will all these sinners of each one of these sins be called muslims or not ??

                      Comment


                        #12
                        Originally posted by ZZ:
                        c'mon. there are muslims who are liars, smugglers, thieves, adulters, pimps and of course celebrated terrorists. if a muslim can be all this, why not a homosexual?

                        Look who is talking

                        Comment


                          #13
                          Originally posted by Tanhaa:
                          "Liars - Sin
                          Smugglers - pretty sure it is not allowed.
                          Thieves - Sin
                          Adulters - Sin
                          Pimps - Sin

                          Gay - Sin

                          Those who commit these acts are not following islamic principles.
                          And Allah will judge them accordingly.
                          So what do you want to discuss?? "


                          Great , so Allah will punish all the sinners.

                          Now my question:

                          1. Should the Govt. of Pakistan punish the persons for each of these acts.

                          2. Will all these sinners of each one of these sins be called muslims or not ??

                          Tanha,& others,

                          As far as keeping a name ,unless according to worldly laws it is Patented,which mUslim is not,even an rss sangh Parivar can call him/her self muslim.But we have right to expose the lie ,fraud & deceit ,as always.

                          We should not fight such things.We can continue to educate who is truly following islam & who is not ,as we always try not to getting into altercations over who is & who isnt .We read koran & discuss its meaning,& perioodicaly apply ijtidad to incorporate inevitable changes,like injection during fast in ramadan & such matters.




                          ------------------


                          barque(bijli) yoon akadti hai apne karname pe ke
                          jaise phir naya hum aashiyaan bana nahi sakte

                          Comment


                            #14
                            Originally posted by Azad Munna:
                            As far as keeping a name ,unless according to worldly laws it is Patented,which mUslim is not,even an rss sangh Parivar can call him/her self muslim.But we have right to expose the lie ,fraud & deceit ,as always.
                            when did rss start deciding who is a muslim and who is not. they are yet to even decide who is a hindu and who is not. my question is to basic proposition that asome one can not be homosexual and a muslim. suppose a muslim murders someone, does he become a non-muslim? he is just refereed as a muslim murderer. similarly if a muslim becomes homosexual, he just becomes a muslim homosexual.

                            Comment


                              #15
                              Originally posted by ZZ
                              c'mon. there are muslims who are liars, smugglers, thieves, adulters, pimps and of course celebrated terrorists. if a muslim can be all this, why not a homosexual?
                              Above-described categories fall under every race, religion and ethnicity. Don't word it to sound as if Muslims produce the mass majority. As far as the so-called Muslim "celebrated-terrorits" are concerned, stand yourself to be reminded that they remain innocent until otherwise proven guilty.

                              Lying, smuggling, stealing, adultering, pimping, none of them along with homosexuality are acceptable or ever will be. Just because there are some people who choose to be oblivious towards the obvious doesn't make it rightful or unsinful.

                              Originally posted by kumarakn
                              Accept people as they are! Or else, you are on a collision course with humanity. Christianity learnt it long back. Hindusim doesnt even care about this. And it is time for Islam to change!
                              Whoever said that any of the major religions of the world perceive any of the above things or homosexuality as acceptable. Hinduism as it was stated in your statement "might not care about this," but all other major religions still condemn it and stand their ground pretty solidly. For those who claim homosexuality 'rightful,' in the name of Christianity, stating that Islam was the only religion who condones it, this is what Bible says on the issue:

                              Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, not idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites... will inherit the kingdom of heaven." (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)

                              Those that support the thinking that these perverts have every right to come out of the closet just like any other 'normal' person, might want to read the following, cuz this is what Christianity has to say about it.

                              "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret." (Ephesians 5:11-12).


                              There is nothing dignified about sinning openly or behind closed doors.

                              "The look on their countenance witnesses against them, and they declare their sin as Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to their soul! For they have brought evil upon themselves." (Isaiah 3:9).


                              Those who support it to be a natural trait in the name of Christianity, you might wanna double think.

                              "For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due." (Romans 1:26-27).

                              I can never be thankful enough to have been blessed with a religion which neither enforces, nor contradicts itself, but rather explains everything from the core of its teachings. The following article sums up the Islamic perspective of Homosexuality which happens to be my perspective as well, and is also shared by many others even in this day and time, when so many out there think every hanky panky, sinful, sick, deluded act is one's personal right to liberty and pursuit of happiness.

                              There is no doubt that in Islam homosexuality is considered 'sinful'. Homosexuality as far as Islam is concerned is a profound mistake. Humans are not homosexuals by nature. People become homosexuals because of their environments. Particularly critical is the environment during puberty. Suggestions, ideas & strange dreams are symptoms of confused attempts to understand new and blunt sexual desires and are rashly interpreted as defining someone as being one sexuality or another. If these conclusions are accompanied by actual homosexual acts they are even more strongly reinforced.

                              Human instincts can be subjected to acts of will. Sexuality is a choice of identity which follows choices of action which follow from choices of what to have sexual fantasies about. Human beings are especially able to control their thoughts, entertaining some and dismissing others.

                              However, if this free will is not recognised it is easy to get into a cycle of thinking which starts from accepting a hypothesis about yourself as true rather than as a possible choice (even if the options are sometimes difficult).For example: "I am lazy " could be supposed true by someone. When the person who thinks this lies around in bed in the morning he observes this inaction as evidence of the statement "I am lazy." As he repeatedly chooses to do so the evidence mounts and the idea becomes fixed in his identity. It may even have physical manifestations and change his physiology and psychology. This process can easily occur for any idea good or bad about the self which is based largely on evidence resulting from ones own action. The idea may be "I am 'gay'" or "I am content" or "I love eating lots of food". The truth is - you are what you choose to be ; you do what you choose to do ; you think what you choose to think. There may be long time delays between the causing choices and the effects but anyone can change themselves. There are reformed ex-drug addicts, reformed ex-compulsive gamblers and ex-homosexuals. In all these sins prevention is 1000 times better than cure and much easier.

                              It has been suggested that homosexuality is genetically inherited and that those who have this 'predisposition' are victims of it not sinners of any sort. However, there are other things which are probably genetically influenced to give predispositions to for example gambling or alcoholism .It could also be argued (and has been) that it is programmed into men's genetics for them to be unfaithful to their partner. All these things don't make it the right thing to do, nor does it prevent these things from being regarded as sinful. Drinking alcohol will still be regarded as sinful in Islam even if you have a predisposition to be an alcoholic. The trick as every post alcoholic will tell you is never touch another drop after you quit - it is a long slippery slope - your life is better without it. Once a certain desire is connected to your identity strongly and you get in some way hooked on it, it will always be easy to return to it - you are unable to forget the satisfaction. The difficult task is remembering the bad side of the desire, such as hangovers, lost money, self loathing or a simply sense of loss because of what you missed out on. But if you are to change for the better, you must remember this and the past desires you bound up with your identity can become disconnected from what you choose to become.

                              http://www.islamic.org.uk/homosex.html

                              Originally posted by kumarakn
                              If gay people cannot be muslim, then Islam is the loser!
                              Next time, before you try justifying your outrageous thinking with non-existant reasoning from a religion do some research. At the end of the day, after the sunset, when one's time is up, it is the "loser" religion and the "loser" beliefs that come to one's rescue.

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X