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    ISLAM & SCIENTIFIC THEORIES,.....

    Generally, Muslims believe that science contradicts Islamic beliefs and concepts and it is an act of sin to study science. In fact, Islam invites us to ponder over the natures phenomena and the universe. The Creator has pointed out an attribute of the believers that: They contemplate the wonders of creation in the heavens and the earth. (Al-e-Imran: 191)
    And further said:
    Do not you see, do not you contemplate, do not you ponder.
    The beliefs and theories espoused by Islam some 1400 years ago today stand validated by science and nowhere we clash between Islam and science. Below is an overview of these theories.

    1. Creation of Universe

    The creation of universe itself speaks of the beingness of a God. Allah Almighty said in the Quran: Heaven and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder). (Al-Anbiya: 30)
    Modern science tells us that 15 billion years ago there took place a big bang. According to this theory two massive bodies collided with each other and as a result the universe came into being.


    2. Expanding Universe

    Almighty Allah says:
    With power and skill did we construct the firmament: for it is We Who create the expanding space. (Az-Zariyat: 4)
    It was discovered in 1948 that the universe is expanding, this discovery confirmed the Islamic theory of expansion of universe.

    3. A non-stationary sun

    In 15th century a polish astronomer Copernicus advanced the theory that the sun is stationary. Muslims were concerned when this theory gained currency among scientists and other people because the Quran says: And the sun runs his course for a period determined for him: That is the decree of Him, the Exalted in Might, the All-Knowing. (Yasin: 38)
    They theory of Copernicus remained popular for three centuries until an 18th-century astronomer William Herschel discovered that the sun is moving along with the entire solar system towards an unknown destination at a speed of 68000 miles per hour.

    4. Creation of Life

    Allah Almighty says in the Quran: We created every living thing from water. Then why dont you believe. (Al-Anbiya: 30)
    Modern science says that 4.6 billion years ago seas came into being on our earth due to drop in temperature and then a living cell, virus, came into existence.

    5. Water of two oceans does not mix

    A French mariner discovered that Atlantic ocean and Adriatic see meet but there waters do not mingle then a stream falls in the sea off the Moroccan coast but its water does not mingle either.
    Allah Almighty had already pointed out this fact.
    It is He Who has left free the two bodies of flowing water: One palatable and sweet, and the other salt and bitter; yet he has made a barrier between them, a partition that is forbidden to be passed. (Al-Furqan: 53)
    This verse verifies the discovery made by the French mariner.

    6. Chlorophyll in plants

    Modern science holds that there is a green compound in plants which helps them in the preparation of food. The Quran explained this phenomenon 14 centuries ago:

    It is He who sent down rain from skies: with it we produce vegetation of all kinds: For some we produce green out of which we produce grain. (Al-Anam: 99)

    7. Anti-clockwise movement of the
    universe including circumambulation


    Everything in this universe is moving in determined pattern and direction. The Quran says:
    Verily, all thing We have created in proportion and measure. (Al-Qamar: 49)

    Today modern science has proved that everything in this universe is moving anti-clockwise, for instance circumambulation of Kaaba, revolution of sun, moon and other stars, and electrons in an atom. Therefore there is a determined pattern which everything follows.

    8. How the universe will end?

    All western scientists unanimously believe that when the universe will end, the sun will become cold and all stars will digress from their orbits and collide with each other and the water of the oceans will swell and people will run towards oceans for refuge, and in this way everything will be destroyed. The Quran had already presented this scene:
    When the sun is folded up. When the stars fall losing their lustre when the mountains vanish. (At-Takweer: 1-3)
    All these facts make it clear that science is based on theories and when these theories become a reality, they testify Islamic beliefs. Therefore we should not believe such theories as go against the Islamic beliefs as Allah Almighty said: And believe in the unseen and investigate but do not lose sight of the fact that Allah is the creator.
    A professor of sociology at Harvard writes:
    The clash between religion and science is not only dangerous but also unnecessary. If we have the true concept of God and moral values, it will become clear that science and religion are the same and have the same objective, that is to unravel the natural phenomena of God.
    This is quite obvious that Islam and the Quran have described scientific theory the most. May be at one point of time a scientific theory seem to be contradicting Islam but when that theory is finally improved and rectified then it becomes in consonance with the sayings of the Quran. Until today all established facts of science have endorsed the sayings of the Quran. The knowledge of Allah Almighty is a finality and human reason is limited and it takes human reason some time to fully understand the sayings of Almighty Allah but this has to be admitted that the Word of Allah is an undeniable truth, and they are the fortunate souls who believe in the unseen and the saying of Allah.


    check this site,..plz,... http://markazdawa.org/English/magazines/VOICE/Jan2001/islam_and_scientific_theories.htm

    [This message has been edited by TARIQ786USA (edited June 17, 2001).]
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    A Faith that cannot survive collision with the truth is not worth many regrets.

    #2
    Originally posted by TARIQ786USA:
    Generally, Muslims believe that science contradicts Islamic beliefs and concepts and it is an act of sin to study science.
    Where the heck did you get this idea? I have yet to meet a maulana, or to read the writings of one, who thinks negatively of science; in fact, Islam brought about a scientific golden age amongst the arabs.
    Muslims are so good at dividing that they can divide the atom. If you see two Muslims, probably they belong to 3 parties.
    Al-Ghazali

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      #3
      Bhai check this http://www.geocities.com/anwardotcom/islam.html

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      Yeh tau chaltee hai tujhay OoNcha urRaanay kay liye

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        #4
        Originally posted by mAd_ScIeNtIsT:
        Where the heck did you get this idea? I have yet to meet a maulana, or to read the writings of one, who thinks negatively of science; in fact, Islam brought about a scientific golden age amongst the arabs.
        Mad,..thanx for coming and sharing your thouhgts,....I posted the link from where I Copied this whole message,...Go there and check it out and then,..think,...whose idea is this,....
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        A Faith that cannot survive collision with the truth is not worth many regrets.

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          #5
          Any garbage in any religion can be assembled as the most scientific. It is self praise or self appeasement?
          Shall we talk about geographical limitations of Quran? Let alone boastings of cosmic claims?
          What is scientific when people beat themselves on Muharram?


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            #6

            SKV ANAND

            What does your scriptures the Vedas, or anything else you use as a source of guidance say about Science.

            Please elaborate for the benefit of all the Guppies.

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              #7
              Originally posted by skv anand:
              Any garbage in any religion can be assembled as the most scientific. It is self praise or self appeasement?
              Shall we talk about geographical limitations of Quran? Let alone boastings of cosmic claims?
              What is scientific when people beat themselves on Muharram?
              SKV....I can see the hidden hate you have towards religion,...But everyone is not like you,..I didn't ask for your judgment or anything,...if you have any problem,..then prove it wrong,....for that you might need some knowledge about Science and our Holy Book....
              BTW,..thanx for coming and sharing your views,...


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              A Faith that cannot survive collision with the truth is not worth many regrets.

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                #8
                Go to: http://www.it-is-truth.org/ and be surprised.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by skv anand:
                  Any garbage in any religion can be assembled as the most scientific. It is self praise or self appeasement?
                  Shall we talk about geographical limitations of Quran? Let alone boastings of cosmic claims?
                  What is scientific when people beat themselves on Muharram?

                  One thing to take into consideration is that the Quran is not proving science but it is science (as it makes advances) that is proving the Quran.

                  The post is just a human comparing the two. And if you want to look at it as self appeasement, be my guest. Atleast there is something to be proud of. (no harm intended)

                  Muharram is not mentioned in teh quran, a side note.

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                    #10
                    thanxs for sharing Tariq
                    Indeed ALLAH is great !


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                      #11
                      1. Creation of Universe

                      According to this theory two massive bodies collided with each other and as a result the universe came into being.
                      No! This is a new theory to make it fit with some Islamic quote.

                      Some quotes from research papers on big-bang theory:

                      Elementary particles known as quarks begin to bond in trios, forming photons, positrons and netrinos and were created along with their antiparticles. There are minuscule amounts of protons and neutrons at this stage; approximately 1 for every one billion photons, neutrinos or electrons (Maffei).

                      The density of the Universe in its first moment of life is thought to have been 1094g/cm3 with the majority of this being radiation. For each billion pairs of these heavy particles (hadrons) that were created, one was spared annihilation due to particle-antiparticle collisions. The remaining particles constitute the majority of our universe today (Novikov).

                      From Nothing, universe started out to be an ionized plasma where matter and radiation were inseparable Chown

                      Quran is completely wrong here (if we assume science is right)

                      Interestingly, Hinduism doesn't say anything like these. Hindusim believes in a cyclical occurence of birth and death of universe, which big-bang equations assume or substantiate. (Now please don't think I am claiming Hinduism to be more accurate or perfect than Islam. I am just quoting these without any need to compare)


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                      4. Creation of Life

                      Interestingly, Hinduism also shares the same views. The Dasavathar clearly demonstrates how life forms evolved from the sea, from being small ones to very huge ones, and then became amphibious, then became purely land based, and how men evolved from animals, where initially they were short and then became taller, then they used primitive implements, then became more evolved and gained a lot of wisdom. <- This is pure in sync with everything Science believes in, as of today!


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                      5. Water of two oceans does not mix

                      Will you substantiate this with some credible reference. If this is true, then it is a very beautiful thing from Quran!

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                      7. Anti-clockwise movement of the
                      universe including circumambulation



                      This is sooooo wrong! Clockwise and Anti-clockwise rotations/revolutions seem clockwise or anti-clockwise from the perspective from which it is seen. Space is an empty nothing where there are not north, south, east, west, up or down. Also, from earth, there aremany constellations that rotate in clockwise directions too.


                      Now, readin your quote again, "Verily, all thing We have created in proportion and measure. (Al-Qamar: 49)" <- how does this indicate that anti-clockwise rotations are referred here. Either you are wrong or Quran is wrong.

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                      8. How the universe will end?

                      "When the sun is folded up. When the stars fall losing their lustre when the mountains vanish"

                      Things you should know before making any comment on this quote:

                      1. The sun will die looooooooong before all the stars will die. And People will die long before Sun will die.
                      2. The stars will NOT fall any where. If it is used metaphorically, then I will assume that everything above from Quran was said metaphorically and there is NO Scientific backing on the statements. - For example the chrlorophyl analogy.
                      Here is the icing:
                      3. When the earth gets cold, its water will NOT swell. It will recede! The decrease in density beyond 4 degrees will still keep water more dense than water at sea temperature today - This is true even if water would theoritically reack -273 Kelvin.
                      4. And people will never be able to run towards water when the sun "folds up" and goes into god's suitcase, because they would have been dead long before.

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                      Now, I can be wrong in every one of these comments. But if I am wrong, then today's science is wrong, as my comments are based on what science knows as on today. Quran could still be right as we don't know everything. BUT DO NOT EVER SAY THAT QURAN IS SCIENTIFIC (BASED ON TODAY'S SCIENCE). NO IT IS NOT!

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                        #12

                        Kumar

                        Long time no speak!

                        CREATION OF UNIVERSE

                        The Big Bang Theory is one of it's plausible interpretations.

                        We should keep in mind that the whole history of science has been the gradual realisation that events in the universe do not happen in an arbitrary manner, but they reflect a certain underlying order which is divinely created and inspired.

                        There may be a large number of models of the universe, explaining its beginning with different initial conditions( whether the FRIEDMAN MODEL, BIG BANG MODEL, EDWIN HUBBLES MODEL, PENZIAS AND WILSONS MODEL, NEW INFLATIONARY MODEL, CHAOTIC INFLATIONARY MODEL OR SINGULARITY THEOREMS MODEL proved by Roger Penrose and Stephen Hawking) but all of them lead to the initial state of infinite density and zero volume singularity.

                        You got the Primordial Fireball and it's immediate temp. after explosion etc with photons,electrons,and neutrinos and there antiparticles, together with some protons and neutrons.

                        I'll leave Einstein and Newton out for the moment, but the QUR'AAN WAS PERFECT IN IT'S QUOTE:

                        'Why don't the unbelievers realise that the heavens and the earth were fused into a SINGULARITY, then we parted them'. 21:30


                        CREATION OF LIFE

                        Modern Science completely endorses the concept of FOUR era of life after it's first appearance.

                        1 PROTEROZOIC ERA(PRECAMBRIAN PERIOD)
                        2 PALAEOZOIC ERA(ANCIENT LIFE PERIOD)
                        3 MESOZOIC ERA(MIDDLE LIFE PERIOD)
                        4 CAINOZOIC ERA(MODERN LIFE PERIOD)

                        The Qur'aan:

                        'And He fixed heavy mountains from the top( of earth) and He put blessings(source of sustenance, in earth) and He provided in it with proportions the sources of living in 4 periods'. 41:10

                        The Evolutionary Theory as Modern Science portrays is impossible.

                        Their can be no evolution in Physics. Hevier elements cannot be formed by Hydrogen, at least in peaceful terms. If you try to obtain Helium by combining 2 or 4 Hydrogen atoms, you obtain a thermonuclear bond, and the entire environment is vaporised in a mushroom cloud.

                        Mathematically, evolution is an impossibility. For a worm to be formed from an amoeba, 39 times 10 times 20 squared, alterations are needed in its genetic code, which would take 10 trillion years to produce at the rate of one change per second, or about 500 times the age of the observabel universe. For an ape, it would be 3 times 10 times 520 squared, changes, which is a number so inexpressibly large that even after taking the fourth power of the total number of particles in the universe, we still could not begin to approach it. For comparison, the total volume of the universe in terms of the diameter of an electron does not exceed10 times 124 squared!

                        Biologically, there can be no evolution as to this day, no one has been able to change even one cistron using scientific methods.

                        The Qur'aan states:

                        'And the animals on the earth and the two winged birds which fly in the sky, they are creations similar to you(O Mankind)'. 6:38

                        HOW THE UNIVERSE WILL END

                        If the universe contracts according to the laws of black hole physics, a new universe could emerge with a different geometry. The Big Crunch would turn into another Big Bang. The result would be an oscillating universe, an endless cycle of cosmic expansion and contraction. This is supported by the OSCILLATING UNIVERSE THEORY.

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                          #13
                          Without attempting any comparison with Islam:

                          your quote
                          The result would be an oscillating universe, an endless cycle of cosmic expansion and contraction. This is supported by the OSCILLATING UNIVERSE THEORY
                          is precisely Hinduism!

                          Another one (out of the topic), why didn't you respond to our previous thread? You said you knew a lot about Hinduism, how come all your quotes were from one single web page? Lets leave that aside for the moment and talk about the current thread:,

                          Sholay, I am impressed with your post above.
                          You have given a lot of references. But am not fully sure what you are trying to say. R u trying to say, Big-bang in just one of the theories, so we should ignore it?

                          Sholay you should understand one thing first! I am neither disputing Quran, nor disputing the big-bang model or any scientific theories. All I am saying is that some of the quotes (from quran) given by the starter of this thread does not substantiate anything with respect to the theories he tried to knot them with. period!


                          The author has used his/her wildest imagination to bring things together that actually contradict with each other.


                          [This message has been edited by kumarakn (edited June 18, 2001).]

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                            #14

                            Kumar

                            I really cannot comment on the Authors intentions.

                            However, the Big Bang Theory is just one of the names given, but it all boils down to Zero Volume Singularity.

                            I am not dismissing the Theory at all, but am stating that the concept of the Big bang Theory was answered in the Qur'aan 14 centuries ago.

                            I'm sure we can debate about Hinduism until the cows come home, but let's leave that for now.

                            What I'm saying is that the Qur'aan is a Science in itself and is very compatible with Science, rather than incompatible.

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                              #15
                              Yeah Right! Whatever!!

                              [This message has been edited by kumarakn (edited June 18, 2001).]

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