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    What is meant by tawassul and waseelah? Answer :

    salam

    Praise be to Allaah.

    What is meant by tawassul and waseelah is four things:

    the kind of tawassul without which faith cannot be complete, which is seeking to reach Allaah (tawassul) by believing in Him and His Messengers, and obeying Him and His Messenger, This is what is meant in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

    “O you who believe! Do your duty to Allaah and fear Him. Seek the means of approach to Him…”

    [al-Maa’idah 5:35]

    This includes seeking to approach Allaah through His Names and Attributes, or by doing acts of obedience and worship by which one seeks to approach Allaah, and so on.

    Seeking to approach Allaah by asking His Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to make du’a’ for one during his lifetime, and the believers asking one another to make du’aa’ for one another. This follows on from the first type and is encouraged.

    Seeking to approach Allaah by virtue of the status and virtues of some created being, such as saying, “O Allaah, I ask You by virtue of Your Prophet” and so on. This is allowed by some of the ‘ulama’, but this opinion is da’eef (weak). The correct view is that it is definitely haraam, because there can be no tawassul in du’aa’ except by virtue of the Names and Attributes of Allaah.

    Tawassul as it is understood by many of the Muslims of later times, which is calling on the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and seeking his help (or seeking the help of the dead and so-called awliya’). This is a form of major shirk, because calling on or seeking help from anyone other than Allaah with regard to something that that only Allaah is able to do is a kind of worship, and directing worship to anyone or anything other than Allaah is major shirk. And Allaah knows best.

    Islam Q&A (www.islam-qa.com) http://216.205.122.233/index.php?ln=...=browse&QR=979

    ws'salamz

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    #2
    This includes seeking to approach Allaah through His Names and Attributes, or by doing acts of obedience and worship by which one seeks to approach Allaah, and so on.

    How do you know? Prove it!

    This is a form of major shirk, because calling on or seeking help from anyone other than Allaah with regard to something that that only Allaah is able to do is a kind of worship

    Nope... it's not! It is not a kind of worship cuzz the person asking for help himself acknowledges that they are nothing without Allah's will. It is like going to a doctor. Next time don't ask a doctor for help cuzz "it will be a form of worship" and directing worship to anyone or anything other than Allaah is major shirk. And Allaah knows best.

    Can't argue with that.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Lashkar-e-Abbas:
      [b]This includes seeking to approach
      It is like going to a doctor. Next time don't ask a doctor for help cuzz "it will be a form of worship"
      Notice how the doc cant really 'cure' unless it is ALlah's will.

      Doesnt it make more sense to ask the creator, HIMSELF, instead of twisting around to have a 'middle man'?

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        #4
        then why go to doctor(the middle man)? just pray to God and get healed( or not)!

        [This message has been edited by analyze it (edited April 27, 2001).]

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          #5
          Mr Lashkar Abbas

          I have pasted the website along with the article for people like you who have questions.

          Go ask the scholar to wrote it. Inshallah he will be able to clarify your doubts.

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            #6
            Originally posted by analyze it:
            then why go to doctor(the middle man)? just pray to God and get healed( or not)!

            [This message has been edited by analyze it (edited April 27, 2001).]
            dont twist the words.

            "WILL" is the key word. observe it.

            also, read the second part of my previous post--easier to ask Allah Himself than having someone "physically" dead (with no relation to live human beings) ask for you. Shouldn't you have enough faith yourself instead of "DEPENDING" on someone else who died more than a thousand years ago?


            Today, in Karachi (and I'm pretty sure Lahore too) there are numerous mazars to which women who arent fertile or with other needs go and try to please the 'dead' pir with donations of flowers/etc so that he could put up a request to God for them.

            The Problem: Half of these pirs haven't even been fundamentally backed up to be true. Most of the time, there isn't even evidence as to whose remains might be in these mazars.

            Question--is this still an accurate form of waseelah?

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              #7
              also, read the second part of my previous post--easier to ask Allah Himself than having someone "physically" dead (with no relation to live human beings) ask for you. Shouldn't you have enough faith yourself instead of "DEPENDING" on someone else who died more than a thousand years ago?

              We are not just talking about SOME ONE who died more than a thousand years ago. We are talking about the Prophet. (Rahmat for all World). Just cuzz he might (different views... debatable) be dead does not mean that Allah will cease this Rehmat.
              And "Depending". Who are you going to depend on? if not the Prophet? (in this world. Besides Allah obviously.) People think they don't need the Prophet anymore? He was just someone who came and died? Isn't he going to be at Kauthar spreading his Rehmat and asking Allah to forgive his Ummah?

              Today, in Karachi (and I'm pretty sure Lahore too) there are numerous mazars to which women who arent fertile or with other needs go and try to please the 'dead' pir with donations of flowers/etc so that he could put up a request to God for them.

              I do not support this kind of Waseela. Cuzz these guys were people like us. Nothing more. They did attain a high level of Taqwa and we should go a pay respects to them. But shouldn't use them as waseela. I only support using the Prophet (and his Al) as a Waseela cuzz there is no question about their righteousness.

              What needs to be done is that people need to educate the masses about pirs and waseela. No one knows anything about it. Everyone follows their own Islam (which is good in a sense)

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                #8
                In the Quran there are many ayah's which correspond to the Prophet (DURING his life) that he is nothing but a 'bashr'. He knows nothing but what Allah tells him. He is no Noor. He is only a human who has been chosen to spread Allah's message.

                Now, this was during the times the prophet was ALIVE. You are imposing your opinions even tho he is no longer alive.

                Yes, you are rite about the pir/mazars being shirk and all. Inshallah these people will find the right path.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by X_Communist:
                  In the Quran there are many ayah's which correspond to the Prophet (DURING his life) that he is nothing but a 'bashr'. He knows nothing but what Allah tells him. He is no Noor. He is only a human who has been chosen to spread Allah's message.

                  Now, this was during the times the prophet was ALIVE. You are imposing your opinions even tho he is no longer alive.

                  The only reason you are saying this is beacuse your ancesstors said that Hasabna kitab Allah. alone kitab is enough for us, Dont need the Waris e Kidab Allah. Man if you had somebody to teach you what Allah is saying in his kitab you wouldn't be saying this. your problem is moulvi who translated the holly book for you according to their understandings. We Shia alhumdolillah have our imam to this day to teach us what quran is saying. Allah could have just sent us the holly book without the Hadi pbuh. but that wouldn't have been fair because quran is not an easy book to understand, thats why he sent a Hadi pbuh with it to teach us the quran. now after the demise of the Hadi pbuh Allah had to continue some sort of a guidence to teach quran until the last day of this universe to make it fair for future generations. thats why our 12th imam is still alive to guide us about quran.

                  Did you notice that in almost every thread a certain sect is persistant upon reducing the status of Our Nabi e Akram pbuh?

                  It is the blood of Abu Jehal and Abu Sufyan that is doing it.
                  Wassalam

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