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    victorian or islamic morality?

    So I have noticed that there is a lot of pushback and resistance from many religious muslims [both men and women ] against multiple marriages for men

    makes me wonder whether we follow islamic morality in this respect or a victorian pseudoislamic model?


    #2
    There are many more moralities and just not the two you mentioned, most muslims do not agree on what might be the Muslim morality.They are whipping women in Afghanistan for a bit of hair showing but ignore child molestations SMH. In my opinion the only thing required to be a Muslim is the Kalima and after that one should behave with humility and kindness, some rules were valid for certain times, wars and defence required manpower as opposed to mukka, dichha, takar, chakhoo, talwaar, dandaa we now have automated weapons and dont need rapid breeding to conquer infidels, also women were dependent on males. In todays world men are becoming redundant as most professions dont require physical strength and women are better socialiser. In my opinion as per my understanding of Quran men had superiority as they were providers, now that women can make their own monies and have better skills they should be considered the dominant gender. In west women are byfar the dominant gender. I treat both my beautiful wealthy wives with deference.

    If anything population control is now required for welfare of Ummah.
    Last edited by Bobby1; Feb 20, 2021, 02:08 PM.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Bobby1 View Post
        this needs its own reality TV show

        I'm so jealous bro but I guess I will never have that eyebrows or glasses

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          #5
          Originally posted by Bobby1 View Post
          There are many more moralities and just not the two you mentioned, most muslims do not agree on what might be the Muslim morality..
          because we live in a social world quite different from the one at the dawn of islam

          I would like to ask the same question about slavery and concubines , why do muslims of today and esp women [hijabis included] find it so repulsive

          while hypocrite pseudoscholars are writing books [like johnathan brown] distort its image and to justify it

          Ive noticed in the west muslim scholars all of a sudden are so concerned about how we treat women ? why ? like u said money, its the girls that work like 90% of the time and most of them are the nucleus of the family not the old tribal way in which men were dominant.SO what do our mullahs do they change their tune to keep their clients happy

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              mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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                #8
                Originally posted by Das Reich View Post

                this needs its own reality TV show

                I'm so jealous bro but I guess I will never have that eyebrows or glasses
                Han ji this is almost our bobz pai with 2 down & 2 to go

                Pehle eik se galian khatay thay. Ab duji se vi jootian khate hen
                My degree of sarcasm is directly related with your level of stupidity.
                "Hamari Koi aur branch nahi hai"

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Holy Lota View Post

                  Han ji this is almost our bobz pai with 2 down & 2 to go

                  Pehle eik se galian khatay thay. Ab duji se vi jootian khate hen
                  Second treats me like a god, she just had major surgery and insisted on still rubbing my feet. Her over attention makes me uncomfortable and I run away to my downtown condo and alone time is the best

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Bobby1 View Post
                    There are many more moralities and just not the two you mentioned...
                    Agreed. A big fan of East Asian culture and philosophy!
                    Shine on the world like loving sunlight (Rumi).
                    The most important principle of environment: you are not the only element (Mahavira)
                    .
                    Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without
                    (Buddha).

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Kraft Dinner View Post

                      Agreed. A big fan of East Asian culture and philosophy!
                      So true, I personally don’t box myself in any religious or cultural identity and pick and choose from any and all. West has many good principles but they subscribe to individualistic culture but evolving from Apes our DNA is group and social culture built in and this leads to many issues
                      I like the family focus on east but I like the fact in west where individuals are required to bear consequences of their actions, regardless of relationships

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                        #12
                        There are several cultural reasons for that push back.

                        1- Muslims who have grown up in countries where polygamy is forbidden by law haven’t witnessed any concurrent marriages in their community so they don’t really grasp the concept. Historically speaking, monogamy has never existed in human societies. Societies with absolute prohibitions are a historical anomaly, not the norm.

                        2- More important thing is, since it is outlawed in the countries where these people live, therefore, considering its benefits only increases cognitive dissonance so why support something one couldn’t benefit from anyway.

                        3- Many men in a position to get a second wife find it much easier to divorce their first wife so they are not bothered by her later on.

                        In my opinion, FWIW, the real choice is never between monogamy and polygamy, rather it is between marriage and extramarital relations. We all know of men who are married and develop mutual interest with another woman. Countries where polygamy is outlawed, there is no option for those men but to divorce the first wife to be able to marry again. Or continue onward forming extramarital relations.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by decentGuy View Post
                          There are several cultural reasons for that push back.

                          1- Muslims who have grown up in countries where polygamy is forbidden by law haven’t witnessed any concurrent marriages in their community so they don’t really grasp the concept. Historically speaking, monogamy has never existed in human societies. Societies with absolute prohibitions are a historical anomaly, not the norm.

                          2- More important thing is, since it is outlawed in the countries where these people live, therefore, considering its benefits only increases cognitive dissonance so why support something one couldn’t benefit from anyway.

                          3- Many men in a position to get a second wife find it much easier to divorce their first wife so they are not bothered by her later on.

                          In my opinion, FWIW, the real choice is never between monogamy and polygamy, rather it is between marriage and extramarital relations. We all know of men who are married and develop mutual interest with another woman. Countries where polygamy is outlawed, there is no option for those men but to divorce the first wife to be able to marry again. Or continue onward forming extramarital relations.
                          When I was in Pak my Uber rich friend was sleeping with a different married woman every week, funny how men there think that they can do whatever and women won’t repay the favour
                          I don’t know why you always refer to the past, women are way more powerful than men in western societies. People need to look at present and the future.

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                            #14
                            The institute of polygamy was established to limit the number of women a man could marry, Arab men used to marry countless women befir Islam. Islam established regulated this institue with laws of Ehsaan and spirit of Taqwa. I am not polygamous and don't intend to be but I respect this institution and so does the women in my family who aren't oppressed women but are Alhamdulilah well accomplished in their lives:

                            Surat No 4 : سورة النساء - Ayat No 3

                            وَ اِنۡ خِفۡتُمۡ اَلَّا تُقۡسِطُوۡا فِی الۡیَتٰمٰی فَانۡکِحُوۡا مَا طَابَ لَکُمۡ مِّنَ النِّسَآءِ مَثۡنٰی وَ ثُلٰثَ وَ رُبٰعَ ۚ فَاِنۡ خِفۡتُمۡ اَلَّا تَعۡدِلُوۡا فَوَاحِدَۃً اَوۡ مَا مَلَکَتۡ اَیۡمَانُکُمۡ ؕ ذٰلِکَ اَدۡنٰۤی اَلَّا تَعُوۡلُوۡا ؕ﴿۳﴾


                            If you fear that you might not treat the orphans justly, then marry the women that seem good to you: two, or three, or four.If you fear that you will not be able to treat them justly, then marry (only) one,or marry from among those whom your right hands possess.This will make it more likely that you will avoid injustice.
                            The key to success is Sanu Ki

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Bobby1 View Post

                              Unfortunately we are all to blame, we let the Jahil, Vile, Barbaric paedophiles hijack our religion, religion is not to be taken literally but in what the spirit of guidence was. The spirit should be kindness, goodness, empathy and caring and above all fairness. Islam needed rapid population growth in those times but not anymore.
                              we need negative population trends in many if not most muslim countries
                              Our "religious" muslim women in the west are the BIGGEST problem just look at these clowns
                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Sarsour
                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashida_Tlaib
                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilhan_Omar
                              dangerous rabble rousers and armchair [twitter] terrorists
                              we need more sane balanced leaders like this man
                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuhdi_Jasser

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