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  • SID_NY
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    thanks for explaining but honestly i'm still confused with the definition of materialism. call me knucklehead will watch the vid

  • krash
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    Originally posted by SID_NY View Post
    OP, are you a materialist? Can you explain more about it?
    I am not a materialist. I believe that material reality is only one dimension of a vaster reality. Divine Reality is the ultimate dimension. And there are intermediate dimensions , like spiritual and imaginal. Sometimes the phrase used is levels of reality. However, I think dimension is a better metaphor than levels because dimensions interpenetrate each other.

    How these dimensions affect the material dimension is an interesting question and very hard to answer. Certainly not through some kind of supernatural intervention. More like through guiding the chain of cause and effect - not from outside but by pervading it from the inside.

    If you guys have time take a look at this half hour video.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UM12...mesS.Cutsinger

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  • SID_NY
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    OP, are you a materialist? Can you explain more about it?

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  • Bobby1
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    Originally posted by krash View Post

    You gave the best example yourself - totalitarian communism based on something called dialectical materialism. But that is not how all materialists or humanists are.
    I am not in any way saying that those who are non-religious, either materialist or humanist, are lacking in ethical or compassionate behavior. Often, you can see them take these values more seriously than others.
    I feel if Chinese Communists ever gained the position of dominant super power they will commit massive genocides, we need secular thinking combined with humanism otherwise math alone makes a great case for annihilations, genocides and enslavements etc.

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  • krash
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    Originally posted by Bobby1 View Post

    Can you kindly give some examples and if there are any significant number of those kinds of people who might tend to behead someone on account of not believing in evolution? I am aware of communism totalitarianism and I dont subscribe to that but humanism. I guess love and compassion are not part of materialism and yet many feel compassion and love for others even when there is nothing to be gained and also love for animals. So how does materialism explain a man diving into frigid waters to save a dog?
    You gave the best example yourself - totalitarian communism based on something called dialectical materialism. But that is not how all materialists or humanists are.
    I am not in any way saying that those who are non-religious, either materialist or humanist, are lacking in ethical or compassionate behavior. Often, you can see them take these values more seriously than others.

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  • Bobby1
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    Originally posted by krash View Post
    I agree. However, there are also people who have turned materialism into a pseudo-religion
    Can you kindly give some examples and if there are any significant number of those kinds of people who might tend to behead someone on account of not believing in evolutioin? I am aware of communism totalitarianism and I dont subscribe to that but humanism. I guess love and compassion are not part of materialism and yet many feel compassion and love for others even when there is nothing to be gained and also love for animals. So how does materialism explain a man diving into frigid waters to save a dog?
    Last edited by Bobby1; Feb 6, 2021, 03:26 PM.

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  • Bobby1
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    Originally posted by LP View Post
    I won't dissect the post and respond. All I'll say is, to each his own.
    I can totally respect that if everyone leaves each other alone but there is a lot of violence and atrocities done against each other by mainly religious people of all faiths

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  • LP
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    krash , that's kinda true too

  • LP
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    Originally posted by Bobby1 View Post

    In case of faith it is not only limited to believing in in observable things but actively denying observable things, there is undeniable evidence of evolution and yet in order to maintain faith many have to deny it. Many other facts.
    I won't dissect the post and respond. All I'll say is, to each his own.

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  • krash
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    I agree. However, there are also people who have turned materialism into a pseudo-religion

  • krash
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    Originally posted by Bobby1 View Post

    In case of faith it is not only limited to believing in in observable things but actively denying observable things, there is undeniable evidence of evolution and yet in order to maintain faith many have to deny it. Many other facts.
    This is true. Many people of faith deny observable facts. Many also insist that the non-material reality they believe in is also observable similar to material reality ("supernatural materialism").
    I think this is not true faith. This is a distortion of faith ("Aiteqaad"). Domain of true faith is reality that is not directly observable (or logically deducible from direct observation) but can be known in other ways.

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  • Bobby1
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    Originally posted by LP View Post
    I don't think so because in most religions we believe in a God who is not observable by our senses.
    In case of faith it is not only limited to believing in in observable things but actively denying observable things, there is undeniable evidence of evolution and yet in order to maintain faith many have to deny it. Many other facts.

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  • LP
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    Originally posted by Bobby1 View Post
    Could people who are religious be materialist?
    I don't think so because in most religions we believe in a God who is not observable by our senses.

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  • Bobby1
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    Could people who are religious be materialist? Some believe pandemic is because of homosexuality?

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  • SID_NY
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    Aah, see we both are right. I had a non-philosophical defo in mind
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