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    Did the Prophet/Sahaabah ever initiate any war?

    Did they ever start any battle/war just for the sake of expanding the Muslim empire/bringing people under Gods law, without first being attacked or persecuted in a certain land?

    #2
    what was badar? prophet :saw: initiated the attack by sending a raiding party for the trading convoy.

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      #3
      The Egyptians Campaign
      At the time of the second caliph of Islam.
      I suggest you research, if you are interested in the conquests, campaigns and struggle of the Sahabah.
      Anyway in the time of the Second pious Caliph Omar, Amr bin As (r.a)was very keen to conquer Egypt. He had been to that country and knew how green and fertile it was. In 18 Al Hijra, when Omar (r.a) visited Syria, Amr asked permission to invade Egypt. The Caliph was not very willing, but Amr pressed his point. At last Amr was allowed to march at the head of four thousand men.
      Amr had not crossed into Egypt when he recieved a letter from the Caliph. It called him back. The thought that would be unnecessarily spilt had made Omar (r.a) change his mind; But Amr was so bent on conquering Eygpt that he did not open the letter till he had entered the country...
      <>It is up to you to find out the rest as i am typing this up from a book and am not ready to continue typing. Here are some questions you should get the answers to:

      >>>How is the Viceroys daughter treated?
      >>>Which city was the Viceroys daughter in?
      >>>Was the biggest stronghold of the imperial forces on the eastern or western bank of the Nile?
      >>>After Amr requested reinforcements how many men did the Caliph send?
      >>>What was the reply to the Viceroy, when he asked what kind of men the victors are?
      >>>Why was the Emperor of Byzantinium very angry?
      >>>What was the last Stronghold of the imperial forces?
      >>>Why did the messenger to the Caliph not go straight to the Caliph and what was the Caliphs reply to the reason?
      >>>What was the name of the city Amr founded?
      >>>What was the savage practice of the Coptics?
      >>>Why did the Nile overflow its banks so much that such a big flood had not been seen for years?

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        #4
        Originally posted by Naadir:
        Did they ever start any battle/war just for the sake of expanding the Muslim empire/bringing people under Gods law, without first being attacked or persecuted in a certain land?

        How else did the empire spread so quickly in the early period of islam?

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          #5
          Sawaal ham pooch rahey heiN, aap ka kaam hai jawaab dena, don't ask me questions or to do research I have more important things in life to worry about, if I wanted to do the research myself I wouldn't have asked on here, a simple yes or no backed by proof would have been sufficient.

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            #6
            This proof also refutes the argument of some that claim islam only allows defensive military jihad!

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              #7
              Originally posted by ak47:
              This proof also refutes the argument of some that claim islam only allows defensive military jihad!
              Which proof are you referring to?
              "Let your friends underestimate your virtues. Let your enemies overestimate your faults." - Godfather.

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                #8
                Re: Did the Prophet/Sahaabah ever initiate any war?

                Originally posted by Naadir:
                Did they ever start any battle/war just for the sake of expanding the Muslim empire/bringing people under Gods law, without first being attacked or persecuted in a certain land?
                Assalamo alaikum Naadir

                This question can be answered by a simple yes or no, however it does not do justice. This is because the aim of expanding will be seen by some as imperialism.

                It would be a good idea to understand the nature of expansionist states and what are the motives of the various empires whilst expanding and what distinguishes the Islamic state from it.

                From observing the reality, expansionist states fall into 3 categories, they are:

                1) Empires which expand for the sake of dominance over other nations in order to raise the standard of living of the dominating nation

                2) States which colonise other countries and also spread ideology

                3) States which expand thier borders and thier influence in order to spread thier ideology and way of life.

                An example of the first one was the British empire which expanded into many parts of the world including India. Thier taking of the resources and valuable items from these lands can be seen in the museums of Britain. Other examples include the Persian and the Roman empires.

                An example of the second is the USA currently, which indirectly supports the puppet rulers in the Muslim world and through them achieves economic plans and other plans. A recent example is Iraq, where it directly occupied it and then contracted huge contracts to coporate companies such as Halliburton and barred other french and Russian companies from having a stake of the wealth in Iraq.

                Also, the capitalist countries like the USA have plans such as the 'Middle East initiative' which aims to spread secular ideas such as freedom of ownership, freedom of individual, freedom of belief, freedom of expression, democracy, capitalism. These are the ideas which the capitalist west wants the Muslim world to accept. An example is the system being forced upon Iraq being a secular system despite the population wanting an Islamic state. To this Donald Rumsfeld replied, "over my dead body they will have an Islamic state".

                As for the third, the Islamic state is the example, where it invites people into discussion about the rational belief of Islam and it ivites the people to convincingly embrace Islam. If they do not accept Islam, then they are invited to live under its just system and pay a protection tax and enjoy the rights of a citizen. If not, then it expands and fights those who stand in its way of implementing the systems.

                The Muslims should not be embarrased to accept the fact that the Islamic state expands. This is because we are in a stronger position to actually put the spotlight on the capitalist nations. So we should say that currently as the world stands, it is seen as a market for which the wealthy capitalist nations loot the resources of the poorer nations through trapping them in major debts through which they pay massive interest rates, such that they are unable to spend and invest in developing thier own countries. There are tonnes of examples.

                As for the evidence that Islam and the political system (khilafah) is an expanding state, this can be seen in the Quran, sunnah and Ijma of the sahabah (consensus of the sahabah).

                As for the Quran, it states, " And we have not sent you accept as a reminder to mankind"

                And, " It is He (Allah) who has sent you with guidance and the deen of truth, so that it may prevail over all other deens, even though the musrikeen abhor it"

                As for the sunnah, the Prophet (saw) established a state in Madinah, near his death, the state had expanded to all of the Arabian peninsula including Makkah. If the Islamic state was only a defensive state, then it would have remained in Madinah. But the numerous battles e.g. mutah (against the Roman empire) or conquests such as that of makkah were offensive and enabled expansion.

                The expansion is not for the sake of looting resources, rather to apply its systems and rule with justice and look after the affairs of the people. If the nation in which it has expanded in faced a famine, then it would send wealth from the centre of the state in oder to meet the demands and needs of the people.

                As for the Ijma, during the time of Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman and Ali (RA), the Islamic state reached far and wide reaching into parts of Africa and the middle east. If this was a wrong (haram) practice, then the sahaba would have spoke against it and critisiced the khalifah for expansion.

                so, in Islam there are rules regarding the foreign policy that the khilafah should take. In it are rules of jihad, peace, ceasefire, treatment of prisoners of war etc. This however is another discussion.

                wassalam

                Ali

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Naadir:
                  Sawaal ham pooch rahey heiN, aap ka kaam hai jawaab dena, don't ask me questions or to do research I have more important things in life to worry about, if I wanted to do the research myself I wouldn't have asked on here, a simple yes or no backed by proof would have been sufficient.
                  Maybe you didnt quite understand, I did give a answer, Ill leave it to you to figure it out.

                  Anyway here are some maps of early muslim expansion that may interest you.

                  The first map shows the expansions of islam under the first four rightly guided caliphs.
                  Map of Muslim Expansion until A.D. 661

                  The second map shows the expansions upto the end of the Ummayds rule.
                  Map of the Umayyad Empire c.A.D.750

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                    #10
                    The expansion up until the death of Hazrat Ali (ra) is the only issue relevant to this thread - after all, only those 4 Khalifs were "rightly guided".

                    ThandyMazaq, preceding the Battle of Badr the Meccans had already violated the peace through preying on Medina's caravan. The Battle was the result of a retaliatory raid by the Muslims.

                    The territorial gains of the Muslims against the Byzantines and the Persians were in wars, where the Muslims had righteous cassius belli because both Byzantium (Rum) and Persia had put innocent Muslims to death.

                    In fact, Egypt, when conquered by the Muslims, was at the time part of the Byzantine Empire and the troops defending it were Byzantine. Its conquest was as a result of Byzantine hostility to Islam.

                    Cyrus was the ruler of Egypt, inasmuch as he ruled it on behalf of the Byzantine Emperor in Constantinople (now Istanbul).

                    None of the examples given in this thread are of the Prophet (saws) or any of the rightly guided Khalifs initiating a war.



                    If you do want to go beyond the Rightly guided Khalifs, and look at the actions Muawiyyah ibn Abu Sufyan (ra) , who was also one of the Sahabah, you may be tempted to say "Muawiyyah conquered north africa without provocation from the population there".

                    However, his objective in his North Africa campaign was to deal a blow to Byzantine power and influence in the region, since there were many Byzantine trading posts and cities all over the coast of North Africa. He dispatched his armies to deal with these enemies of Islam. These armies enabled the Muslims to take control of the land. In time, the native population of these lands converted.
                    Muslims are so good at dividing that they can divide the atom. If you see two Muslims, probably they belong to 3 parties.
                    Al-Ghazali

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                      #11
                      Ashabe Rasoul did fight offensive wars and conquered lot of land and converted lot of people.

                      But Prophet Mohammed(pbuh) hardly fought any offensive war. Most of his wars were defensive. His method of conversion of people was very different. It is written that through his attitude automatically people used to enter in the folk of muslims. Bye sokoon

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