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    Why Shia Call 'Ya-Ali' ? Please explain ?(Answer needed from my Shia friends. Thanx

    I was at my best friends place a week ago. I was walking rite behind his mother while going up the stairs and she dropped something fragile. The first thing that came out of her mouth was "Ya-Ali."

    I was pretty disturbed by it. IMO, situations like that and any other sensitive situations one should call out help to Allah not to any body else.

    I was in Madina for omrah 2 years ago. I spread my hands for dua but I was facing Prophet Mohammads :saw: grave. This Arabic guy (the people who guard the tomb) grabbed me from shoulders and pointed me towards Makkah and said "ASK ALLAH NOT A HUMAN ."

    I have nothing against Shia's what so ever I have great respect towards them. My best friend is Shia. Actually from my experience I have seen that Shia's give more helping hand as compare to us Sunni's. Just a personal experience. They are very very loving and very helping in the time of need.

    There are a lot of shia's here who could answer my question above. Please do not tell me that 'Some shia do that and some don't.'
    Almost all the shia I have met says 'Ya-Ali' In the time of need or great danger. Also, please don't say that by saying 'Ya-Ali' in the time of need or danger is just to show the love towards Hazarat Ali a.s as I won't buy that.

    IMO, it is a very bad practice among shia people. It shouldn't be like this at all. I brought this point to my best friend and he agreed to what I had to say.

    Lets see what my other shia friends have to say here.

    -Salman

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    Re: Why Shia Call 'Ya-Ali' ? Please explain ?(Answer needed from my Shia friends. Thanx)

    Originally posted by SalmanNY:


    IMO, it is a very bad practice among shia people. It shouldn't be like this at all. I brought this point to my best friend and he agreed to what I had to say.

    Lets see what my other shia friends have to say here.

    -Salman
    What do you know about the qur'an that makes you think that this is a bad practise?

    Please enlighten us on what u have been taught.

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      #3
      Re: Re: Why Shia Call 'Ya-Ali' ? Please explain ?(Answer needed from my Shia friends. Thanx)

      Originally posted by Gandalf:


      What do you know about the qur'an that makes you think that this is a bad practise?

      Please enlighten us on what u have been taught.
      Quran teaches me to look towards Allah s.w.t. or ask Allah s.w.t in time of need or danger. Quran does'nt teach me to cry out for help or name any human in the time of need. Thats what Quran teaches me. What does Quran teaches you to say 'Ya-Ali' in the time of need or danger ?
      -Salman

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        #4
        if your doctor refers you to see the specialist at the hospital.... and you get your appointment and go...more often that not - you see the SHO and if you wana see the big man you have to be extremely nice and butter up the SHO... so....


        SHO ----> Seniour House Officer!!

        So Hazrat Ali is Allah Mian's SHO
        Mill ke sab matam-e-shabbir karo..

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          #5
          I have nothing against Shia's what so ever I have great respect towards them. My best friend is Shia. Actually from my experience I have seen that Shia's are give more helping hand than us Sunni's. Just a personal experience. They are very very loving and very helping in the time of need.

          Salman bhai i think u r right
          I think they even pray more then us, have Iman (& hope in Allah)more then us...etc
          but I don't the answer to ur question

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            #6
            Originally posted by Mem Saab:
            if your doctor refers you to see the specialist at the hospital.... and you get your appointment and go...more often that not - you see the SHO and if you wana see the big man you have to be extremely nice and butter up the SHO... so....


            SHO ----> Seniour House Officer!!

            So Hazrat Ali is Allah Mian's SHO
            Mem Sahab, with all due respect I am strongly that thinking of Shiaizim. When Allah s.w.t says Him self ( I am not sure of the exact Verse) that 'I am more closer to you than anybody in this world'. Then why not call out His name ? He is the giver and He is the taker. IMO, all of our requests should be directed to HIM and HIM only. There should be no MEDIUM of reaching HIM as He is so very accessible through our hearts.

            I am sure you guys agree that Mohammad :saw: has higher of an authority over Hazarat Ali as. Loooking from your prespective wouldnt it be Prophet Mohammad :saw: a SHO rather than Hazarat Ali ?
            -Salman

            Thanx sewra

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              #7
              salman check this out

              QUESTION:

              One of my friend ask me to ask this question to you brothers:
              You know most of the time when Muslims are in trouble or they want to do a
              difficult chore they say "Ya Ali Mudad". What is the reason or any religious
              thing that we don't know. Can you explain in detail any reason about this.

              ANSWER:

              This is a very important question again dealt with in the recently published
              translation of the Contemporary Fatwas of Ayatullah Seestani (May Allah
              Protect him and Preserve him).
              The propriety of saying "Ya Ali Madad" depends entirely upon the intention
              of the person who says it.
              If the help of Hadhrat Ali (A.S.) or any of the other ma'sumeen is sought as
              an intercessor and a 'waseelah' envisaged by the Holy Qur'an in Ayah 35 of
              Suratul Maidah then not only there can be no objection but it would be the
              right and proper thing to do.
              But if help is sought in the belief that the person whose help sought shares
              with Allah the right to create, sustain and
              protect then the call for help might amount to 'shirk'.
              The Ayah referred to above reads as follows:
              "O you who believe ! Be mindful of your Duty to Allah, and seek a way to
              approach him ((wab tagoo ilayhi waseelah).................."


              With salaams and du'aas from an humble servant of Ahlul Bayt and their
              followers, and with a
              request to be remembered by you in your prayers,

              Bashir Rahim

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                #8
                Originally posted by Sheraz CT:
                salman check this out

                QUESTION:

                One of my friend ask me to ask this question to you brothers:
                You know most of the time when Muslims are in trouble or they want to do a
                difficult chore they say "Ya Ali Mudad". What is the reason or any religious
                thing that we don't know. Can you explain in detail any reason about this.

                ANSWER:

                This is a very important question again dealt with in the recently published
                translation of the Contemporary Fatwas of Ayatullah Seestani (May Allah
                Protect him and Preserve him).
                The propriety of saying "Ya Ali Madad" depends entirely upon the intention
                of the person who says it.
                If the help of Hadhrat Ali (A.S.) or any of the other ma'sumeen is sought as
                an intercessor and a 'waseelah' envisaged by the Holy Qur'an in Ayah 35 of
                Suratul Maidah then not only there can be no objection but it would be the
                right and proper thing to do.
                But if help is sought in the belief that the person whose help sought shares
                with Allah the right to create, sustain and
                protect then the call for help might amount to 'shirk'.
                The Ayah referred to above reads as follows:
                "O you who believe ! Be mindful of your Duty to Allah, and seek a way to
                approach him ((wab tagoo ilayhi waseelah).................."


                With salaams and du'aas from an humble servant of Ahlul Bayt and their
                followers, and with a
                request to be remembered by you in your prayers,

                Bashir Rahim
                Excellent reply. That almost answers my question. May Allah s.w.t reward you for this. BUT, I would translate that verse from Quran as like I should find a way to approach Him by praying or by doing Jis Ibadat. I am not 100% sold on that answer.

                My next question would be how legit it is in the light of Sunnah and Quran to make someone your Vaseela. Why can't we ask Allah s.w.t directly for anything. ? If that Verse of Quran truely address this question then I am 101% satisfied with your answer. I will look into it. Many Thanx
                -Salman

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                  #9
                  ur answer

                  hi there how r u my names salman,i m from pakistan but i been livin in dubai since i was born,i have somethin to say but my dear friend dont get offended by wht ever i may say rite now,with no disrespect to ne religion,i m a very modern type of a person have pierced ear alwaz stay in style but regardless of my acts n my behaviour i pray five times a day n recite quran daily without failure i have finished my bba n now i m doin my masters aswell as i m workin in NOKIA MIDDLE-EAST,but even if i was not borned in a shia family i wud have turned into one cuz i m proud of it,well like i said thts my personal point of view as on neutral grounds i wud only have one answer to ur question it may or it may not satisfy u but it goes like tht not only in once occasion but in very ocassions our prophet (pbuh)HAZRAT MUHAMMED (SAWAS) said ..MIN KUNTUM MOLA FA HAZA ALI MOLA..ie .. JIS JIS KA MEIN MOLA US US KA AIL MOLA, i wud keep my faith on tht cuz its not jus said by ne ordinary human he was tht person jen k leye duniya bani gaye thi,n if u want to have ur faith in tht man whom u met in madina well goahead every ones have to nswer for there deeds i dnt have to answer for wht u did n u dnt have to nswer for wht i did,lets jus say u do wht u have to n i will do wht i have to.
                  salman

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                    #10
                    hazrat ali is a human being, he has died, he can not help us only Allah :swt: can.

                    Allah :swt: says so many times in the qur'an to ask from him alone and muhammad :saw: has repeatedly said the same thing, by waseela the verse doesnít refer to what the shias do, if this is waseela, then we should also all start going to church and praying to hazrat isa :as: like the christians do, so that we can reach Allah through him, like the christians believe.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by pk taz:
                      hazrat ali is a human being, he has died, he can not help us only Allah :swt: can.

                      Allah :swt: says so many times in the qur'an to ask from him alone and muhammad :saw: has repeatedly said the same thing, by waseela the verse doesnít refer to what the shias do, if this is waseela, then we should also all start going to church and praying to hazrat isa :as: like the christians do, so that we can reach Allah through him, like the christians believe.
                      Arguing Shias, Martyrs are sometime dead and sometime alive.

                      Donít mourn they are Alive
                      Donít use them as Waseela they are dead.

                      Puzzle! Same brain; thinks opposite. What is the sole purpose? Anti-Ahle Bait(A)

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                        #12
                        so why not use Hazoor (SAW) as a "waseela" I think he would be a better one dunn ya think.
                        The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he did not exist. And like that... he is gone.

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                          #13
                          if there was any excuse, please note IF, then "ya muhammad" wud be more appropriate....
                          and for that matter, "ya nooh", "ya ibrahim" wud be also much more suited than "ya ali"....

                          and then we shud not blame christians for calling out to christ....
                          cuz ali (ra) cud be born a million times and did what he did for islam and die in the same manner in service of islam, he wud by Allah, never reach the status that Jesus holds near Allah....
                          Both Halal & Haram r evident but between them r doubtful things, most ppl have no knowledge about them. So whoever saves himself from suspicious things saves his religion & honor, & whoever indulges in suspicious things indulges in Haram.

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                            #14
                            let me just clear one thing for you guys
                            Imam (a.s.) Ali's rutba is higher then any Prophet except for Prophet Mohummad (pbuh&up) because no one can better then the last Prophet.

                            now if someone wants to say Ya Mohummad madad..no problem with that

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                              #15
                              so if we take your word that The prophet indeed is higher, way higher than anyone else, and if one were to believe in the whole waseela deal, why not go to the person with the higher status, the prophet who is much higher than anyone else.
                              The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he did not exist. And like that... he is gone.

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