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    Are you a "hyperactive oil brat"?

    Finally an article I like from the Guradian:

    Why we should go to war

    Julie Burchill
    Saturday February 1, 2003
    The Guardian

    In the mode of Basil Fawlty, I've tried not to mention the war. I know that Guardian readers are massively opposed to any action against Saddam Hussein, as are 90% of the people I love and respect both personally and professionally. But I am in favour of war against Iraq - or, rather, I am in favour of a smaller war now rather than a far worse war later. I speak as someone who was born and raised to be anti-American; I know that, even in my lifetime, America has behaved monstrously in Latin America, Indo-China and its own southern states. I was against the US because, whenever people sought autonomy, freedom and justice, it was against them. But that narrative is ended now and a new configuration has emerged.
    The new enemies of America, and of the west in general, believe that these countries promote too much autonomy, freedom and justice. They are the opposite of socialism even more than they are the opposite of capitalism. They are against light, love, life - and to attempt to pass them the baton of enlightenment borne by the likes of Mandela and Guevara is woefully to misunderstand the nature and desires of what Christopher Hitchens (a life-long man of the left) described as "Islamo-fascism".

    When you look back at the common sense and progressiveness of arguments against American intervention in Vietnam, Chile and the like, you can't help but be struck by the sheer befuddled babyishness of the pro-Saddam apologists:

    1) "It's all about oil!" Like hyperactive brats who get hold of one phrase and repeat it endlessly, this naive and prissy mantra is enough to drive to the point of madness any person who actually attempts to think beyond the clichés. Like "Whatever!" it is one of the few ways in which the dull-minded think they can have the last word in any argument. So what if it is about oil, in part? Are you prepared to give up your car and central heating and go back to the Dark Ages? If not, don't be such a hypocrite. The fact is that this war is about freedom, justice - and oil. It's called multitasking. Get used to it!

    2) "But we sold him the weapons!" An incredible excuse for not fighting, this one - almost surreal in its logic. If the west sold him the weapons that helped make him the monstrous power that he is, responsible for the murder of tens of thousands of Iranians, Kurds, Kuwaitis and Iraqis, then surely it is our responsibility to redress our greed and ignorance by doing the lion's share in getting rid of him.

    3) "America's always interfering in other countries!" And when it's not, it is derided as selfish and isolationist. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

    4) "Saddam Hussein may have killed hundreds of thousands of his own people - but he hasn't done anything to us! We shouldn't invade any country unless it attacks us!" I love this one, it's so mind-bogglingly selfish - and it's always wheeled out by people who call themselves "internationalists", too. These were the people who thought that a population living in terror under the Taliban was preferable to a bit of liberating foreign fire power, even fighting side by side with an Afghani resistance. On this principle, if we'd known about Hitler gassing the Jews all through the 1930s, we still shouldn't have invaded Germany; the Jews were, after all, German citizens and not our business. If you really think it's better for more people to die over decades under a tyrannical regime than for fewer people to die during a brief attack by an outside power, you're really weird and nationalistic and not any sort of socialist that I recognise. And that's where you link up with all those nasty rightwing columnists who are so opposed to fighting Iraq; they, too, believe that the lives of a thousand coloured chappies aren't worth the death of one British soldier. Military inaction, unless in the defence of one's own country, is the most extreme form of narcissism and nationalism; people who preach it are the exact opposite of the International Brigade, and that's so not a good look.

    5) "Ooo, your friends smell!" Well, so do yours. We may be saddled with Bush and Blair, but you've got Prince Charles (a big friend of the Islamic world, probably because of its large number of feudal kingdoms and hardline attitude to uppity women), the Catholic church (taking a brief break from buggering babies to condemn any western attack as "morally unacceptable") and posturing pansies such as Sean Penn, Sheryl Crow and Damon Albarn.

    Oh, and we've also got Condoleezza Rice, the coolest, cleverest, most powerful black woman since Cleopatra, and you've got the Mothers' Union, with their risible prayer for Iraq's people, a prime piece of prissy, pacifist twaddle that even Hallmark "Forever Friends" would reject as not intellectually or aesthetically rigorous enough.

    So, all in all, and at the risk of being extremely babyish myself, I'd go so far as to say that my argument's bigger than yours. Of course, you think the same about your side. And we won't change our minds. Ever. So let's do each other a favour and agree not to rattle each other's cages (playpens?) until the whole thing's over. Free speech and diversity - let's enjoy it! Even though our brothers and sisters, the suffering, tortured slaves of Saddam, can't. Yet. Still, soon.

    Julie Burchill: I am in favour of war against Iraq - or, rather, I am in favour of a smaller war now rather than a far worse war later.
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    #2
    She has some guts that Julie Burchill,going so obviously against the grain at the Guardian.She has also hit the nail right on the head.

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      #3
      Another lonely voice from the Guardian:

      Why the Left is wrong on Saddam

      With or without a second UN resolution, I support action against Iraq

      David Aaronovitch
      Sunday February 2, 2003
      The Observer

      If you were to draw a map of the world based on the writings and speeches of the most fervent anti-war figures in Britain and America, two names would be found at the far edges of the known world, if at all: Bosnia and Rwanda. In the mid-1990s, events in these places convinced me that Noam Chomsky's definition of the sovereignty of nations as 'the right of political entities to be free from outside interference' had become a millstone around the neck of the world.
      Bosnia and Rwanda made the case for action, because inaction was far worse and its consequences were morally intolerable. In the former, the West (rarely acting in concert) took the course of diplomacy backed up by the incredible threat of mild force. The Yugoslavian situation was deemed to be too complicated and too dangerous to resolve by firm action. Didn't they all just enjoy killing each other?


      That is another article but not, as they say, another story.
      With or without a second UN resolution, I support action against Iraq says David Aaronovitch.
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      Buy Royal Dutch Shell gasoline!

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        #4
        PM each other, or better still get a room.

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          #5
          I think people dont realize that if one person is wrong it does not mean that the other person is autmoatically right. both can be wrong

          Is Saddam right, no not at all. does that make Bush right...not quite.
          Otherwise its teh argument that OBL ttypes use to gain support.
          The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he did not exist. And like that... he is gone.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Ohioguy:
            1) "It's all about oil!" --- So what if it is about oil, in part? Are you prepared to give up your car and central heating and go back to the Dark Ages? If not, don't be such a hypocrite. The fact is that this war is about freedom, justice - and oil. It's called multitasking. Get used to it!
            Good.. so after months of beating around the Bush it's finally sunk into yellow journalists that avoiding the word "Oil" doesn't prevent people from getting down to the truth.

            Before we even challenge her about this maddening urge to 'conquer' all excess oil for our evergrowing needs (what's wrong with just letting Iraq produce and buying it like other decent people of the world?) l ask whose 'freedom' and what 'justice' she talks about .. or is it the same rhetoric the war machine churns out without anything to back it up?

            2) "But we sold him the weapons!" -- An incredible excuse for not fighting, this one - almost surreal in its logic. If the west sold him the weapons that helped make him the monstrous power that he is, responsible for the murder of tens of thousands of Iranians, Kurds, Kuwaitis and Iraqis, then surely it is our responsibility to redress our greed and ignorance by doing the lion's share in getting rid of him.
            "But we sold him.." is not an excuse.. it's in response to allegations that he possesses them.. The US provides half the world with weapons.. do we have plans to confiscate those f-16's, gunships and tanks generously donated to Israel over the years used to further violate scores of UN resolutions so we can 'redress' our ignorance?

            3) "America's always interfering in other countries!" And when it's not, it is derided as selfish and isolationist. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
            So dammit we should?? I don't hear many people around the world today inviting the US over to squat on their land.

            4) "Saddam Hussein may have killed hundreds of thousands of his own people - but he hasn't done anything to us! We shouldn't invade any country unless it attacks us!" I love this one, it's so mind-bogglingly selfish
            No it's called playing by international laws.

            These were the people who thought that a population living in terror under the Taliban was preferable to a bit of liberating foreign fire power, even fighting side by side with an Afghani resistance.
            Who did we 'liberate'? the women have the same condition, the country is still in ruins and rule of 'law' exists just in a couple of mile radius of Kabul.

            On this principle, if we'd known about Hitler gassing the Jews all through the 1930s, we still shouldn't have invaded Germany
            Poor Ms Burchill has had nothing to read except Zionist approved history.. She needs to understand that not everything is about the Jews.

            If you really think it's better for more people to die over decades under a tyrannical regime than for fewer people to die during a brief attack by an outside power, you're really weird and nationalistic and not any sort of socialist that I recognise.
            And if she thinks that killing ten times more people in one go and leaving behind poisonous substances so that the future life of the same people you 'liberated' becomes a living hell is anyway 'moral' or 'better' than I need some of whatever she's smoking.


            No. 5 is not even worthy of discussion.. maybe some third grader may take her up on that.

            Oh, and we've also got Condoleezza Rice, the coolest, cleverest, most powerful black woman since Cleopatra,
            hahahahh sure.... so Bush = Caesar?

            and you've got the Mothers' Union, with their risible prayer for Iraq's people, a prime piece of prissy, pacifist twaddle that even Hallmark "Forever Friends" would reject as not intellectually or aesthetically rigorous enough.
            compared to the spit speckle splattering right wing talking heads on Clear Channel, i'd take the 'pacifists' anyday.
            JaddoN kaddya jaloos ghareeba tay shehr ich choatalee lug gayee

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