Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Why the contraditions in dealing with Syria?

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

    Why the contraditions in dealing with Syria?

    The hot issue for months now has been the widespread killing of innocent muslims in Syria by both Government, and the rebels.

    The contradiction that I see which I find disturbing is that some honorable people are cheering for U.S. to take part in, and actively get involved in Syria. Whereas, in all other places where U.S. is involved for the same reasons, it is condemned right, left and center.

    How can it be consciously right to curse it on one hand, and cheer it on the other hand? Isn't that hypocrisy? It would be more suitable for the Middle Eastern nations to resolve the issue, and for once show a unified approach to a regional problem instead of hoping to outsource it. When will muslims learn to be masters of their own destiny?

    What Assad is doing is barbaric, what the rebels are doing is equally heinous. But what's most treacherous is that no muslim nation has the will to formulate a plan, and use that military prowess they all possess to set up a Peace Force comprising of different muslim nations so no one nation gets singled out as being the "bad guy" for going into Syria.

    It's just very frustrating that we can, with a straight face, having a conscience, say that it is okay for U.S. to bomb Syria. But it is not okay when it's Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Yemen, or other muslim nations. Moral integrity requires that you don't become the people you despise whose motto is "Interests change", or are we starting to adopt the same mindset when it suits our own motifs and needs? The point is not to ignore the issue, but rather to start asking Muslim Governments to take action.

    Or perhaps I am deluded, and lack the information that is required to come to the same conclusion as others. So, please enlighten me. JazakAllah.
    Last edited by teggy; Sep 1, 2013, 09:20 PM.
    Boycott Indian economy. Buy Pakistani!

    #2
    Re: Why the contraditions in dealing with Syria?

    Its okay to take US side because Assad is brutal and only US can bring peace in Syria or since Arab leaders have done nothing to resolve issue - those who want to see military strikes this is what their logic is. I mean you see same folks condemning drone strikes by US on Pakistan soil, but on the other hand want to see US bomb Syria. amazing!

    I have said it earlier and will say it again, military action is not the solution, would only make things worse and will engulf the entire region in chaos. We should be looking at the repercussions of such attack before showing our support for military strikes.

    Comment


      #3
      Re: Why the contraditions in dealing with Syria?

      Even for argument sake, if we agree ( and I do!) that Assad's iron grip must be loosened. Outsourcing that and hoping that a few missles would be the solution, is NOT the solution. It will only act as a catalyst. Get rid of Assad, but do it using local resources, so the blame is not to be with the infamous character that always gets a bad rep for doing something good or bad.

      I am actually for U.S. to let Regional countries sort this one out. One day we're badmouthing the U.S., the very next day we're asking it to do the very same thing elsewhere. That's not befitting a people who pride themselves on being muslim.
      Boycott Indian economy. Buy Pakistani!

      Comment


        #4
        Re: Why the contraditions in dealing with Syria?

        Islam's clear directive is to to appoint the trustworthy Muslim leaders to bring the warring parties together and try to find a solution and, in case of non-agreement and/or non-compliance, if there is a need, use of force is ordained to bring the erring party/parties to compliance.

        alas, we have no such unity among Muslims and also the lack of sense of justice among our leaders.
        Life is NOT measured by the number of breaths we take but the moments that take our breath away!!!
        16 breaths a minute, 23040 a day...NO one knows which one will be their LAST!

        Comment


          #5
          Re: Why the contraditions in dealing with Syria?

          May I ask what country in Muslim world US is invading right now? (Don't confuse aerial bombing of Syria with invasion)


          And yes, US does have an agenda behind supporting Syrian rebels which is to protect Israel from Russia and Iran. How does that harm interests of Syrian people?
          “I'm quite illiterate, but I read a lot. ”

          Comment


            #6
            Re: Why the contraditions in dealing with Syria?

            Originally posted by rangoli View Post
            Its okay to take US side because Assad is brutal and only US can bring peace in Syria or since Arab leaders have done nothing to resolve issue - those who want to see military strikes this is what their logic is. I mean you see same folks condemning drone strikes by US on Pakistan soil, but on the other hand want to see US bomb Syria. amazing!
            There are so many reasons to oppose drone attacks. I don't see any reason to oppose military action against Assad.

            Drone attacks are done with Pakistani army's permission and contribution without the approval of UN. Or perhaps PAkinstani army has requested US to drone the region....so go and protest against your own army and government before trying to blame US.
            “I'm quite illiterate, but I read a lot. ”

            Comment


              #7
              Re: Why the contraditions in dealing with Syria?

              Originally posted by hareem01 View Post
              There are so many reasons to oppose drone attacks. I don't see any reason to oppose military action against Assad.....
              When was your last optometrist appointment?

              Not long ago, the same regime was 'allied' with US and Saudi against Iraq. The same regime had killed many more Syrians under daddy Assad. The Arabs were basing in black gold glory then and were not concerned about it at all.

              Also remember....

              ‘Building momentum for regime change’: Rumsfeld’s secret memos

              Comment


                #8
                Re: Why the contraditions in dealing with Syria?

                Originally posted by kakaballi View Post
                When was your last optometrist appointment?
                Just the day after you were prescribed for ADD.

                Point is, you and I, don't have a right to decide Syrian people's fate based on our own biases and prejudices!
                “I'm quite illiterate, but I read a lot. ”

                Comment


                  #9
                  Re: Why the contraditions in dealing with Syria?

                  Originally posted by hareem01 View Post
                  ...Point is, you and I, don't have a right to decide Syrian people's fate based on our own biases and prejudices!
                  Let USA decide?

                  Comment


                    #10
                    Re: Why the contraditions in dealing with Syria?

                    If the US jumps into this war they'd have their own motive, and they'd install a puppet government as a result. You can call me a conspiracy theorist, but every thing happening in the Middle East seems to be part of a script. The countries are falling like ninepin. I dont know what shape of the region including Pakistan would have at the end. All countries having stronger armies are being neutralized. Iraq gone, Libya gone, Egypt almost there and Syria? Which country would be next? Pakistan still has nuclear weapons, Balochistan issue is there and we dont know where FATA/KPK would go after the US forces withdrawal from Afghanistan (and the ensuing civil war).
                    “The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them without doing anything." Albert Einstein

                    Comment


                      #11
                      Re: Why the contraditions in dealing with Syria?

                      It's usually possible to gauge the ethical value of an action by looking at who's advocating for it. Right now, as I see it (personally), half of the people wanting U.S. to take action in Syria are those who are genuinely concerned for the innocent civilians and want the internal killing to just stop. Then you have the bandwagoneers who are in it for the ride because their mindset is such that muslims can easily become collateral damage sometimes in the guise of all sorts of 'isms and 'ists. You would see them seething at the thought of anything Islam in public life, whether it's Governance, or laws in accordance with Quran/Sunnah.

                      So, when the balance tips, and those who consider U.S. to be their demi-god, the only one able to tackle problems, exceed the other genuine folks, it is time to abandon the call and call for peace through other means.

                      I may be very wrong, but that's just my perception as of right now. Don't let the bandwagoneers become the voice of struggle. They will hijack any genuine cause, and sour the result while they'll rejoice at others' blood being spilled just so they can fit in with their respective crowds, and pose to be the civilized ones.

                      A muslim should always strive for peace, and call for all warring parties to cease fighting. If it comes to using force, it should be from within, not through the assistance of those that general public curses 20 hours of the day for all the ills in their societies. This double-standard has got to stop.

                      U.S. should not be responsible for being the one with the stick everytime. It's wrong to say that U.S. is source of evil, and then turn around and get upset because U.S. isn't taking action. American tax payers work hard for their money, some barely making a decent living, and do not have the expenditure to fund anymore wars. There are domestic issues that require urgent attention like Economy, Housing, Jobs, and Industry.

                      Qatar, Kuwait and U.A.E are said to be hotspots for the most millionaire households, they along with other muslim countries should urge their leaders to put boots on the ground to ensure peace. This will strengthen muslim nations' resolve to handle matters internally, and it will also give their armies something constructive to do instead of crowd control, and quelling unrest which is a job best left to Police.
                      Last edited by teggy; Sep 2, 2013, 10:04 PM.
                      Boycott Indian economy. Buy Pakistani!

                      Comment


                        #12
                        Re: Why the contraditions in dealing with Syria?

                        My first post on Syria and the ensuing conflict and to be honest it's such a tough situation.

                        I hate Assad with a passion. BUT I also hate Al-Qaeda and other militant outfits.

                        “I love deadlines. I love the whooshing noise they make as they go by.”

                        Comment


                          #13
                          Re: Why the contraditions in dealing with Syria?

                          Originally posted by teggy View Post
                          Don't let the bandwagoneers become the voice of struggle. They will hijack any genuine cause, and sour the result while they'll rejoice at others' blood being spilled .

                          Brother teggy...let me also add that we should never let "chronic USA haters" hijack any dicussion as well...this is equally important...these chronic USA haters will design gazallion conspiracy theories to fit their agenda. and yes we have a lot of them on this forum as well. For them USA wants to finish islam, finish muslim countries and strengthen israel...they are blindfolded with hatred...they forget that USA also fought against Korea, fought against Vietnam for 10 years, fought against half of europe in 2 world wars...were all these countries muslim countries? they forget that USA saved million of muslims in bosnia when the whole Europe gave buthcher milosovich license to kill muslims...

                          Time has come for muslims to start think rationally and make sane decisions on every Geo-political issue..let us not allow chronic US haters emotionalize every discussion that involve USA...USA is an imperial power and makes decision based on its national interest, which is perfectly fine. We need to have mature not emotional discussion on such issues.

                          Comment


                            #14
                            Re: Why the contraditions in dealing with Syria?

                            Jammia Al Azhar the largest Sunni education institute has come out condemning the intents of attacking Syria.

                            State Information Services Egypt’s Al-Azhar opposed to attack on Syria
                            Sidq-e-Khalil bhi hay ishqe sabr-e-Husayn bhi hay ishq
                            Mārika-e-wujud main Badr-o-Hunayn bhi hay ishq
                            -Iqbal

                            Comment


                              #15
                              Re: Why the contraditions in dealing with Syria?

                              Originally posted by teggy View Post
                              Qatar, Kuwait and U.A.E are said to be hotspots for the most millionaire households, they along with other muslim countries should urge their leaders to put boots on the ground to ensure peace. This will strengthen muslim nations' resolve to handle matters internally, and it will also give their armies something constructive to do instead of crowd control, and quelling unrest which is a job best left to Police.
                              teggy....sometime i really feel you are new muslim....if so welcome to our religion and to our internal politics!

                              brother which world do you live in? even the most chronic US haters will find it hard to support your suggetsion because it is not practical...

                              brother what muslim countries? what muslim army? what muslim boots?

                              you want Saudis, Egyptians, Jordanians, Turks, Indonesians, Malaysians, Pakistanis, and any one else that has a functioning army should take the bull by the horns and set it straight?

                              and how would muslim army handle bashar? dont you think innocent will be killed? and what muslim army? egyptian army, which is busy killing its own people..

                              saudi army? which is supporting to take action against bashar?

                              pakistani army? it cannot handle talibans.....

                              turkish army? are you aware of turkish army history of last 80 years? it is so liberal plus turkish army wants to finish asad

                              iranian army? well it needs to fight saudi and turkish army first....

                              you see the problem with your solution

                              OIC is a comedy club...comedy club my friend ... ask any guppy here

                              you are the only one who is tryin to answer my question by giving an alternative solution which is totally unpractical...rest have no solution...this syria war has been going on for over 2 years...how will it end? if the world does not react to chemical weapons, do you really see an end to the violence? asaad will stop? thousand of kids have already died......and asad will keep on fighting...and you blame me for being OK for kids to be killed?

                              do you have any idea how twisted your approach is? you can sleep with that? you want "msulim army" to act? muslim army? whatever that means.....and till then you are OK with kids being killed? what is this logic.....there is already so much violence...someone needs to stop it and muslim countries cannot stop it..they are jokers.

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X