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    India provides the same old list of terrorist - same old tiring rhetoric

    OK so the list of 20 fugitives have been handed over to Pakistan. And yes it contains the same old names like dawood ibrahim and Hafiz saeed etc etc.

    There is a reason why south asia is in such a pathetic state. Desis can't think out of the box.

    India would have been much more successful in convincing the world and Pakistan, had it asked for a joint investigation followed by two or three names of LeT. That would have put the right kind of pressure on Pakistan.

    Asking for kitchen sink and pots and pans doesn't help if the plumbing is broken.

    Now you guys don't even think that this thread is somehow giving hints to the enemies of Pakistan. No not at all.

    The reality is that both India and Pakistan are stuck in the same old rut, and the world is tired for old excuses.

    Time to rethink the strategies especially by Pakistan. Because we have more to lose by repeating our past religiously motivated mistakes.


    p.s. good thing is that as per the quoted news, both India and Pakistan are refraining from the use of war drums like the recent times. This pleasant (if you can call it so) may be the result of "hard work" by USA on massaging both India and Pakistan.


    BBC NEWS | South Asia | India asks Pakistan for fugitives


    India asks Pakistan for fugitives
    India has asked Pakistan to hand over 20 fugitives from Indian law who it believes are settled in Pakistan.

    Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee said the names were given during a formal protest to the high commissioner of Pakistan over the attacks in Mumbai.

    It was unclear what links the fugitives on the list had to the Mumbai attacks. Pakistan did not respond directly but offered a "joint investigation".

    Tensions have risen between the nations since the attacks that left 188 dead.

    Twenty-two foreigners were among those killed and more than 200 people were injured.

    Separately dramatic new CCTV footage has been released of the firefight between militants and Indian police at the Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus last Wednesday night.

    Indian officials have repeatedly said in recent days there is evidence that the militants behind the attacks had Pakistani links.

    One gunman survived and is in police custody. Indian media reports say Azam Amir Qasab is from Pakistan and linked to the Pakistan-based Kashmiri militant group, Lashkar-e-Toiba, or Army of the Pure. The group denies involvement.

    Islamabad has also denied any involvement and warned against letting "miscreants" inflame tensions in the region.

    India's new home minister has vowed to "respond with determination and resolve" to the crisis.

    Palaniappan Chidambaram said: "This is a threat to the very idea of India, very soul of India."

    But Mr Mukherjee said on Tuesday that India was not considering a military option.

    The attackers in Mumbai opened fire in several locations, including a railway station, a popular restaurant, a hospital, two hotels and a Jewish centre.

    The attacks on the two hotels - the Taj Mahal Palace and Oberoi-Trident - and the Jewish centre resulted in nearly three days of running battles between elite commandos and the gunmen before the sites were secured.

    'Strong action'

    "We have asked for the arrest and handover of those persons who are settled in Pakistan and who are fugitive of Indian law," Mr Mukherjee told reporters in the Indian capital, Delhi.

    Indian media reports say the names include alleged underworld don Dawood Ibrahim, who Delhi says lives in Karachi. Pakistani officials deny it.

    Much of the list appears to be based on one issued after the attacks on the Indian parliament in 2001.

    Pakistan's Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi did not respond to the list request but said Pakistan was offering "a joint investigating mechanism and a joint commission to India".

    "We are ready to jointly go into the depth of this issue and we are ready to compose a team that could help you," he said on Tuesday.

    The BBC's David Loyn in Delhi says the offer is unlikely to satisfy the demands made by India for a far tougher response towards militants based in Pakistan.

    With embarrassing revelations about intelligence failures and general elections due next year the Indian government is under severe political pressure to be seen to be making a robust response.

    On Monday, India's foreign ministry told Pakistan's high commissioner that Delhi expected "strong action would be taken against those elements, whosoever they may be, responsible for this outrage".

    A spokesman for the Pakistani high commission played down the meeting, saying discussions were held in a "cordial atmosphere".

    The Indian government has faced growing anger over its handling of the attacks. The home minister and the chief and deputy chief ministers of Maharashtra state all submitted resignations.

    But Pakistan and India have refrained from the kind of rhetoric that led to the major military escalation after the 2001 Delhi parliament assault.


    #2
    Re: India provides the same old list of terrorist - same old tiring rhetoric

    burq, no mention of pan islamists?

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      #3
      Re: India provides the same old list of terrorist - same old tiring rhetoric

      The list will be same even after 10 years...

      Need of the day is to change the Leadership... a new leadership is required on the both sides of the border, the leadership with new visions, with determination and dedication to solve the problem of their countries..untill this is done...the list will be the same by the same politicians...
      For Religion, we'll fight, kill & die but will never follow it, where's the fun in that!

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        #4
        Re: India provides the same old list of terrorist - same old tiring rhetoric

        So India has already completed investigation, came to conclusion that it is Lashkar-e-Toiba, Dawood Ibrahim and what not? Would India share any evidence? Would India let Pakistan interrogate the terrorist caught?

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          #5
          Originally posted by Captain1 View Post
          So India has already completed investigation, came to conclusion that it is Lashkar-e-Toiba, Dawood Ibrahim and what not? Would India share any evidence? Would India let Pakistan interrogate the terrorist caught?
          Why just Pakistan, why not UN the world the international community investigate and see the evidence first hand.. I'd say what are you waiting for.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Salahuddin Ayyubi View Post
            Why just Pakistan, why not UN the world the international community investigate and see the evidence first hand.. I'd say what are you waiting for.

            Evidence is being shared .... you have to see the statements being made by the people to see what is being said .....
            Zardari will control ISI, hopes US expert -DAWN - Top Stories; December 02, 2008

            But Bruce Riedel, who advises Mr Obama on S. Asian affairs, acknowledges that he is not sure if Zardari could achieve this target. “Mr Zardari has also promised to get control over the ISI and to stop its policy of both chasing and supporting terrorism in Pakistan,”

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              #7
              Mumbai Police Commissioner Hassan Gafoor on Tuesday gave some perspective about the investigation into the Mumbai terror attacks stating that the terrorists involved were Pakistanis and that there was ample evidence to prove this.
              Gafoor said terrorists came from Karachi and the interrogation of an arrested terrorist gave proof of the same.

              more can be read from here
              lınk

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                #8
                Originally posted by aam bandha View Post
                Evidence is being shared ....

                Is this the same kind of evidence that was shared with UN/G8?, or is this something that will remain in this state "being shared" till the cows come home... Make sure you also include somjotha express evidnce too.. Make one big bad evidence for all the incidents.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Aqal-less View Post
                  Mumbai Police Commissioner Hassan Gafoor on Tuesday gave some perspective about the investigation into the Mumbai terror attacks stating that the terrorists involved were Pakistanis and that there was ample evidence to prove this.
                  Gafoor said terrorists came from Karachi and the interrogation of an arrested terrorist gave proof of the same.

                  more can be read from here
                  lınk
                  The thing is that something will not become truth even if repeated million times. They need to share the evidence, let world AND Pakistani agencies interrogate the terrorist arrested. All they are doing is "we have proof, we have proof" (repeat umpteen times).
                  saaray Pakistan ka ek hi naara: ehtasab ehtasab!

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Salahuddin Ayyubi View Post
                    Is this the same kind of evidence that was shared with UN/G8?, or is this something that will remain in this state "being shared" till the cows come home... Make sure you also include somjotha express evidnce too.. Make one big bad evidence for all the incidents.
                    It seems Pakistan administration wants "***** slapping" ..... if they had only listened to G8 and cooperated after those attacks .. today India and Pakistan would have been in a better position

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by aam bandha View Post
                      It seems Pakistan administration wants "***** slapping" ..... if they had only listened to G8 and cooperated after those attacks .. today India and Pakistan would have been in a better position

                      speaking of slaps here is G8s slap on Indian fact, read and enjoy.

                      G8 slap on Indian face, No takers for Indian Govt's Ranting and Ravings


                      G8 slap on Indian face No takers for Govt's Pak-hand theory

                      Shobori Ganguli New Delhi

                      11-7 blasts: Ticked off by United States, chastened Prime Minister talks of peace ---- More than a week since terror ripped Mumbai apart, India's inability to produce concrete evidence against Pakistan has rendered its attempts to trap the usual suspect rather feeble. While Pakistan is widely accepted as the fountainhead of terror in the subcontinent, India has been roundly ticked off by the US for not gathering enough proof against its neighbour on the Mumbai blasts.
                      That Islamabad has been the gainer in this round is evident in the unequivocal praise heaped on Pakistan by the Americans for its fight against terror. This, along with a rather general "condemnation" from the G-8, instead of a decisive rap on Pakistan's knuckles, has fed the impression that India's may be a case of cry wolf after all.
                      Islamabad has turned the occasion to its diplomatic advantage to impress upon the international community that Pakistan is a bogey raised by the Indian leadership to cover up the failure of its security agencies to nab the real home-grown persons residing in the very heart of Mumbai.
                      A chastened Manmohan Singh on his return from St Petersburg on Tuesday, therefore, said, "I have always believed the destiny of the people of South Asia are closely inter-linked," and that "Both our countries need peace and stability."
                      This is a significant humbling since the Prime Minister's public posturing in Mumbai last Friday, where, in a rather delayed reaction, he had warned Pakistan that "If the acts of terrorism are not controlled, it is exceedingly difficult for any Government to carry forward what may be called as normalisation and peace process." He had also said, "We are certain that these terror modules are instigated, inspired and supported by elements across the border."
                      Clearly, Manmohan Singh found no takers for this at the G-8 summit. Expressing mere "outrage" at the July 11 attack, the G-8 registered its "solidarity with the Government and the people of India," and conveyed its "deepest condolences to the victims and their families."
                      India's hopes of getting the G-8 to condemn Pakistan were roundly dashed when the influential world grouping simply indicated its determination to "continue the fight against terrorism by all legitimate means." While the statement did promise to bring the "perpetrators, organisers, sponsors" to book, the silence on Pakistan was stunning. Eventually the G-8 leaders only threw in their lot with India because "terrorism ... consbreastutes a threat to each of our country, as well as to international peace and security." Meanwhile, in a stern rebuff, a middle-level officer in the Bush Administration suggested India should rely on hard evidence before pointing fingers. "I know there's a lot of speculation out there now.... But I think we need to be led by the evidence before we start trying to draw conclusions and make policy pronouncements on it," US buttistant Secretary of State Richard Boucher said. He warned that this will be the "atbreastude of others as well."


                      Negating India's claim as a Pak-sponsored terror victim, Boucher said, "The persons that we're fighting against have been fighting against Afghanistan, been fighting against Pakistan, been fighting against the US, been fighting against Europeans, and maybe some of them fighting against India, as well." What India really needs to take note of is Boucher's conclusion: "No country has done more to fight Al Qaeda or has lost more people in doing so than Pakistan."
                      Gloating over this commendation, Pakistan Foreign Minister Mahmud Kasuri said, "The US, European Union and other leading countries are not so stupid as to pay public compliments if they think Pakistan is actually running (person) training camps albeit not for Afghanistan but Kashmir, because in the ultimate analysis, it all gets linked."
                      Kasuri charged that, "The unequivocal condemnation means (India) just wanted an excuse to link something to Pakistan, they wanted a peg to hang their coat on. Only a very ingenious lawyer would put that sort of interpretation." Lack of proof against Pakistan in the Mumbai case has therefore left the Prime Minister with weak formulations phrases like the dialogue process has "suffered," and that we should "reflect on our relations with Pakistan."

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                        [quote=Salahuddin Ayyubi;6179160]speaking of slaps here is G8s slap on Indian fact, read and enjoy.

                        quote]

                        You see what happene when you dont listen ..... This is the "offfical" statement from G8 minsiters ...... they were as diplomatic as they could ... considering that Pakistan is a major partner in war against terror


                        MOFA: G8 Foreign Ministers' Statement on India and Pakistan




                        We urge Pakistan to take further action against such groups, to arrest, to bring to justice and severely punish their leaders and to curtail their financing



                        Unfortunately some people in the Pakistani adminsitration dont understand what "diplomatic " language is ....... now you are going to hear statments like this ....

                        Obama expects Zardari to fulfil pledge on probe -DAWN - Top Stories; December 02, 2008

                        US President-elect Barack Obama said on Monday that India would be within its rights if it took retaliatory actions against militants hiding inside Pakistan

                        "Latoon ke bhoot batoo se nahe mante"

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                          #13
                          [quote=aam bandha;6179205]
                          Originally posted by Salahuddin Ayyubi View Post
                          speaking of slaps here is G8s slap on Indian fact, read and enjoy.

                          quote]

                          You see what happene when you dont listen ..... This is the "offfical" statement from G8 minsiters ...... they were as diplomatic as they could ... considering that Pakistan is a major partner in war against terror


                          MOFA: G8 Foreign Ministers' Statement on India and Pakistan




                          We urge Pakistan to take further action against such groups, to arrest, to bring to justice and severely punish their leaders and to curtail their financing



                          Unfortunately some people in the Pakistani adminsitration dont understand what "diplomatic " language is ....... now you are going to hear statments like this ....

                          Obama expects Zardari to fulfil pledge on probe -DAWN - Top Stories; December 02, 2008

                          US President-elect Barack Obama said on Monday that India would be within its rights if it took retaliatory actions against militants hiding inside Pakistan

                          "Latoon ke bhoot batoo se nahe mante"

                          Dear Genius, as I said before when you run out of arguments you go on a tangent... The discussion is about evidence, Did you see what G8 said with respect to evidence to Manmohan Singh?..... Can you even comprehend the following from teh article...

                          Clearly, Manmohan Singh found no takers for this at the G-8 summit

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                            #14
                            [quote=Salahuddin Ayyubi;6179230]
                            Originally posted by aam bandha View Post


                            Dear Genius, as I said before when you run out of arguments you go on a tangent... The discussion is about evidence, Did you see what G8 said with respect to evidence to Manmohan Singh?..... Can you even comprehend the following from teh article...

                            Clearly, Manmohan Singh found no takers for this at the G-8 summit

                            Evidence is not something that will be printed in newspapers ...... as for takers .... watch this time .... Pakistan administration is in for some public dressing down .... the Pakistani ambassador in UN has started squealing ......

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                              #15
                              [quote=aam bandha;6179255]
                              Originally posted by Salahuddin Ayyubi View Post


                              Evidence is not something that will be printed in newspapers ...... as for takers .... watch this time .... ......
                              hehehe yeah we saw all the EVIDENCE zillion times before for every attack please bring it on this time too we are anxious.. LMAO..... it will be Evidence# Zillion + 1

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