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    ‘Pak Army trust funds now $600m’

    Pak Army trust funds now $600m
    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default...1-7-2002_pg7_7
    By Khalid Hasan

    WASHINGTON: Noted area specialist Selig S Harrison has said that the trust funds set up by the army during the Ayub and Zia years now form a far-flung network of business interests with a value estimated at $600 million that take advantage of inside connections.

    In an article in Sindh Watch, a New York-based publication, he writes that under Musharraf the military tentacles over the economy have grown, then goes on to quote Prof Hassan Askari Rizvi to the effect that the biggest industrial house in Pakistan is the Pakistan Army, a network of private businesses, like a conglomerate, run by a group of retired and serving generals who enjoy official patronage. According to Harrison, They are into everything from import-export houses to security guard companies to travel agencies. The generals in Pakistan behave just like the generals in China and Thailand and Indonesia who think its nice to get rich.

    Harrison says the hardline ISI group established by Zia and supported by the CIA supported the Taliban and al Qaeda, adding, but it is often overlooked that military control over the defence and foreign policies of normally civilian governments in Pakistan have directly exacerbated tensions with India and blocked civilian initiatives for accommodation.

    Even the flawed, narrowly-based civilian governments of the past from Suhrawarday to Zulfikar Ali Bhutto to Benazir to Nawaz Sharif have been better for the regional stability of South Asia than the periods of military rule. It was Bhutto not the generals who negotiated the Simla Agreement.

    It was Benazir who opened negotiations on conventional force redeployments with Rajiv Gandhi until her wings were clipped by the military. Nawaz, for all of his sins, did go to Lahore and did pull back the Pakistani forces that had crossed the ceasefire line at Kargil. And make no mistake, that was the underlying reason for his downfall.

    Harrison is of the opinion that in the years ahead, the best hope for a Pakistani government that will respect the sovereignty of Afghanistan, stop stoking the flames of war in Kashmir and talk peace with India does not lie in gradual but sustained progress toward broad-based representative institutions.

    He maintains that only time will tell if Gen. Musharraf has burned his bridges with the Islamic militants and will stop Pakistani operations in Kashmir. If Musharraf is indeed able to do that, India will be put to the test.

    How can a man die better than facing fearful odds for the ashes of his fathers and the Temple of his Gods?

    #2
    $600 mil is nothing for people who are in complete control who absolutely no accountability. I'm sure they have siphoned off many billions for their own pockests.

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      #3
      This is peanuts compared to what Budnazar has in swiss accounts.

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        #4
        In an article in Sindh Watch, a New York-based publication

        Whats Sindh Watch? some Sinhudesh/Jay Sindh publication? I would discredit what this person has to say if he is in any way affiliated with provincialism.

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          #5
          Originally posted by 5Abi:
          In an article in Sindh Watch, a New York-based publication

          Whats Sindh Watch? some Sinhudesh/Jay Sindh publication? I would discredit what this person has to say if he is in any way affiliated with provincialism.

          I'd like to hear straight from Mr. Selig S Harrison than Najam Sh!ttys or Ameers...

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            #6
            Originally posted by Abdali:
            I'd like to hear straight from Mr. Selig S Harrison than Najam Sh!ttys or Ameers...
            typical, you always ask for an article, one comes and you don't believe it.

            Then you act like its ok because it's 'peanuts' compared,which is not true anyways, only difference is no accountability with Army, no way to see it so openly like you did with BB/NS. Army minting money is something that is well known in Pak. No one in Pak is fooled, but you seem to want to avoid the truth, for whatever reason.

            [This message has been edited by RealDeal (edited July 21, 2002).]

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              #7
              Originally posted by RealDeal:
              typical, you always ask for an article, one comes and you don't believe it.

              Then you act like its ok because it's 'peanuts' compared,which is not true anyways, only difference is no accountability with Army, no way to see it so openly like you did with BB/NS. Army minting money is something that is well known in Pak. No one in Pak is fooled, but you seem to want to avoid the truth, for whatever reason.

              [This message has been edited by RealDeal (edited July 21, 2002).]
              When it comes to billions stashed in phoren swiss/US accounts there is no such thing as accountibility, .... Can you say any army man had billions stashed in phoren accounts.... Can you say an army man has palaces in France/US/UK/Swiss-land etc..... No that honor only goes to politicians. But for you its all OK and Budnazar must return to loot along with 10 percent for vested reasons. And than we say India is the enemy..... With leaders like Budnazar/Ganja/10 percent India don't need to amass troops at our border given the time history will repeat and one of these great leaders will cut pak again right from the middle.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Abdali:
                When it comes to billions stashed in phoren swiss/US accounts there is no such thing as accountibility, .... Can you say any army man had billions stashed in phoren accounts.... Can you say an army man has palaces in France/US/UK/Swiss-land etc..... No that honor only goes to politicians.
                You never heard of Zia? never heard of Hamid Gul? In the 80's until Gen Asif Nawaz took over several genrals were among the biggest drug dealers in the world. At the time US got Noriega, 2nd biggest drug dealer in the world was a Pak Army Gen who Zia made Gov if NWFP.

                You really telling me you never heard of Army men living in mansions? You think people like Adm. Mirza lived in one bedroom apartmnets in the US? Have you not heard about teh liraelly dozens of plots/properties he owns?

                BTW, apart from the 'Surry report, which politcians has mansions in France and US and UK?

                Again your whole theory rests of one article about BB, but agian, there has nevr been an article like that about NS. Does that mean he isn't corrupt? Same goes for Army.
                I think you have either spent too much time away from Pak, or don't want to acknowledge the fulltruth.

                [This message has been edited by RealDeal (edited July 21, 2002).]

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by RealDeal:
                  You never heard of Zia? never heard of Hamid Gul? In the 80's until Gen Asif Nawaz took over several genrals were among the biggest drug dealers in the world. At the time US got Noriega, 2nd biggest drug dealer in the world was a Pak Army Gen who Zia made Gov if NWFP.

                  You really telling me you never heard of Army men living in mansions? You think people like Adm. Mirza lived in one bedroom apartmnets in the US? Have you not heard about teh liraelly dozens of plots/properties he owns?

                  BTW, apart from the 'Surry report, which politcians has mansions in France and US and UK?

                  Again your whole theory rests of one article about BB, but agian, there has nevr been an article like that about NS. Does that mean he isn't corrupt? Same goes for Army.
                  I think you have either spent too much time away from Pak, or don't want to acknowledge the fulltruth.

                  [This message has been edited by RealDeal (edited July 21, 2002).]
                  You could not provide a singe link where any khaki has looted billions, can you..... You could not provide a single like where khakis have bought palaces. You know that speaks volumes... but still khakis are more corrupt just because you say so....

                  According to one US report Paki politicians have stashed $100B in western countries.... And you can only see the army as the culprit.

                  [This message has been edited by Abdali (edited July 21, 2002).]

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                    #10
                    Hold on, i am copying something for you.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Abdali:
                      You could not provide a singe link where any khaki has looted billions, can you..... You could not provide a single like where khakis have bought palaces. You know that speaks volumes... but still khakis are more corrupt just because you say so....

                      According to one US report Paki politicians have stashed $100B in western countries.... And you can only see the army as the culprit.

                      [This message has been edited by Abdali (edited July 21, 2002).]
                      Nonsense i have NEVER said Army is ONLY culprit. I said they have made millions just like the politcians.

                      As for your palace, i just gave you an example of Adm. Mirza who lived (still owns) a mansion in teh US, and stillhas dozens of properties.

                      Again you ignnore one of my main points, I can't produce a report saying Sharif is corrupt ,does that mean he isn't corrupt?

                      Here is a quote from a respected author in a best-selling book.

                      Ahmed Rashid, Taliban pg.120,121

                      In 1983 the ISI Chief, Gen Akthar Abdur Rehman had to remove teh entrie ISI staff in Quetta, because of their involvement with teh drugs trade and sale of CIA supplied weapons that were intended for the Mujaheddin.

                      In 1986, Major Zahooridun Afridi was caught while driving to Karachi to Peshawar with 200 kilograms of high-grade heroin-teh largest interception in Pakistans history.

                      Two months later an airforce officer Flight Liutenaant Khailar Rehman was caught on the same route with another 200 kilgrams of heroin. He calmy confessed it was his fifth mission. The US street values of just these two cahces ws US$600 million, equivalent to the total amount of US aid to Pakistan that year.

                      Both officers were held in Karachi till they mysteriously escpaed form jail. 'The Afridi-Rehman cases pointed to a heroin syndicate within teh army and the ISI linked to Afghanistan.

                      [This message has been edited by RealDeal (edited July 21, 2002).]

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                        #12
                        Again your whole theory rests of one article about BB, but agian, there has nevr been an article like that about NS. Does that mean he isn't corrupt? Same goes for Army.
                        RD, yaar no need to get defensive.
                        According to ur logic, if A is corrupt and B is corrupt, thats enuff justification for C to to corrupt too


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                          #13
                          Strange interpretation, I have never justified it, quite teh opposite, i have always pointed out corruption that some peopel want to ignore.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by RealDeal:
                            Nonsense i have NEVER said Army is ONLY culprit. I said they have made millions just like the politcians.

                            As for your palace, i just gave you an example of Adm. Mirza who lived (still owns) a mansion in teh US, and stillhas dozens of properties.

                            Again you ignnore one of my main points, I can't produce a report saying Sharif is corrupt ,does that mean he isn't corrupt?

                            Here is a quote from a respected author in a best-selling book.

                            Ahmed Rashid, Taliban pg.120,121

                            In 1983 the ISI Chief, Gen Akthar Abdur Rehman had to remove teh entrie ISI staff in Quetta, because of their involvement with teh drugs trade and sale of CIA supplied weapons that were intended for the Mujaheddin.

                            In 1986, Major Zahooridun Afridi was caught while driving to Karachi to Peshawar with 200 kilograms of high-grade heroin-teh largest interception in Pakistans history.

                            Two months later an airforce officer Flight Liutenaant Khailar Rehman was caught on the same route with another 200 kilgrams of heroin. He calmy confessed it was his fifth mission. The US street values of just these two cahces ws US$600 million, equivalent to the total amount of US aid to Pakistan that year.

                            Both officers were held in Karachi till they mysteriously escpaed form jail. 'The Afridi-Rehman cases pointed to a heroin syndicate within teh army and the ISI linked to Afghanistan.

                            [This message has been edited by RealDeal (edited July 21, 2002).]
                            RD RD RD you are talking a different wavelength for obvious reasons. Even CIA does the same, covertly they finance their operations around the world by doing all sorts of things. Even I would support ISI selling drugs and fake currency notes in India and using the same money against the enemy...

                            Here we are talking about billions that are looted from Pak and who has the honor of having the fatest bank accounts! I don't need to say you can dig out corruption related links and see for your self.... At one time ganja had a property in UK worth millions I am trying to locate the link.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Abdali:
                              RD RD RD you are talking a different wavelength for obvious reasons. Even CIA does the same, covertly they finance their operations around the world by doing all sorts of things. Even I would support ISI selling drugs and fake currency notes in India and using the same money against the enemy...

                              Here we are talking about billions that are looted from Pak and who has the honor of having the fatest bank accounts! I don't need to say you can dig out corruption related links and see for your self.... At one time ganja had a property in UK worth millions I am trying to locate the link.
                              What makes yo think the drugs were sold in india? We have millions of drug addicts in Pak, you must know that. What about selling weapons destined for teh Mujahideen? That's ok as well? Where do you think that money went?

                              I know where NS has his property, in Park Lane, London. Just like Adm.Mirza has his properties.

                              i won't be able to find links saying Army stole billions and you won't be able to find credible links saying NS stole billions. It is because this things are well hidden, for obvious reasons, you know that.

                              BTW, if that Times report is so accurate, why haven't they been able to use it to convict Zardari after 6 years in prison?



                              [This message has been edited by RealDeal (edited July 21, 2002).]

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