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    Ahmad Rashid-Mush scared of Fundos

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/wor...00/2072834.stm

    Interesting view from the author of (among others) the best selling book on the Taliban.
    Seems Mush could be losing his usefullness to the Yanks. We all know what happened to Zia when he outlived his usefullness, ironically for Afghanistsn.


    Pakistan criticised for lack of action

    Ahmed Rashid: 'The regime is at the moment running scared.'

    The authorities in Pakistan have been heavily criticised by a leading writer and journalist for their failure to crack down on militant groups in the region.
    Ahmed Rashid accused the ruling military regime of not putting "its money where its mouth is" over its failure to dismantle the al-Qaeda network.

    He said: "The regime is at the moment is running scared of the fundamentalists, you know although this is a military regime I think they are unwilling to do anything seriously to crack down."


    "There's huge international pressure to have a decisive policy towards the extremist groups which the government has announced but does not seem to be willing to carry out."

    Tough speaking

    In January under pressure from India and the West, the president of Pakistan, General Musharraf banned five militant groups.

    I think they are unwilling to do anything seriously to crack down

    Ahmed Rashid
    In a televised address to the nation he also announced that Pakistan would no longer be used as a base for religious extremists and groups that supported terrorism.

    But in an interview with HARDtalk Pakistan, Mr Rashid said that tough words had failed to be converted into decisive action.

    He said: "Musharraf banned these five groups in January but they're still wandering around and they're holding press conferences and rallies."

    "We still see them all the time and they are acting very threateningly. So the regime is not prepared to actually put its money where its mouth is."


    Safe houses

    Mr Rashid also claimed that after 11 September members of the Taleban and Al Qaeda have crossed into Pakistan.

    He claimed that they are not only living openly in the country, but that they also have the support of the people.


    Musharraf banned militant groups in January

    He said: "Clearly there is a whole network, a whole grid of safe houses, of cars, of logistics, of support for these militants inside Pakistan and the regime has done absolutely nothing about tackling this issue."

    He added: "Most of the Taleban cabinet is living in Peshawar, untouched. They go shopping, they meet people, they have dinner parties, they invite people into their homes. Many of them are living in Quetta and many of the other Taleban and Al Qaeda are living in Punjab and in Karachi."

    Warning

    Ahmed Rashid is highly regarded as the author of 'Taliban-Militant Islam, Oil and Fundamentalism in Central Asia.'

    Originally published in 1998 the book at the time made little impact.

    But in 'Taliban', Mr Rashid, warned about the threat of the Taleban and the plight of the Afghan people.

    I think the Americans have lost a great deal in this process

    Ahmed Rashid
    Mr Rashid also claimed that US policy in Afghanistan will fail because they insist on still pursuing it as a war, which in the long term could cause problems.

    He said: "US policy right now in Afghanistan is proving disastrous because the Pentagon is running the policy. They are pursuing it still as a war. Donald Rumsfeld constantly says there's a war on."

    He added: "What most what most people are concerned about is how are you helping reconstruct the country, how are you helping the political process."

    "I think the Americans have lost a great deal in this process and it doesn't seem that the Bush administration has got the message."



    [This message has been edited by RealDeal (edited July 01, 2002).]

    #2
    Its very hard to destroy these fundoos and their network.

    Almost impossible.

    And i'm not surprised that a military regime can't do it. I dont think anyone will be able to.

    Until the Pakistani SILENT majority becomes a Pakistani VOCAL and ACTION-ORIENTED majority, these fundoos will continue to decay the country.
    I believe in dragons, good men, and other fantasy creatures.

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      #3
      It is even harder to attack the fundos since they are same group who provide manpower for the Jihad in Kashmir.

      Who created these groups in the first place...

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        #4
        These groups existed long b4 Kashmir uprising.

        They were always militant, although Afghan war in 80's was a big 'boost' for them.

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          #5
          American one side policy will never work. It didn't work in the past. It won't work either in the future.

          Just my two cents!

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            #6
            RealDeal,

            The article you posted talks of the 5 groups banned in January 2002. They are:

            1. SSP
            2. LeJ
            3. TJP
            4. JeM
            5. LeT

            JeM and LeT are supposedly "Kashmiri Freedom fighters".

            Jaish is still functioning and LeT just changed its name and is still killing...

            You cannot fool all the people all the time...

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              #7
              Kashmir is one of theer causes.

              Either way as you pointed out, they change their names all the time and move on to the next 'cause'.

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                #8
                RealDeal,

                My point is that you cannot turn these people on and off like robots.

                Pak govt used these guys as disposable people in their Taliban campaign as well as their jihad in Kashmir. But once you arm and train these monsters, nothing will prevent them from killing Shias or whoever they find vulnerable....

                What goes around comes around....

                [This message has been edited by Talwar (edited July 01, 2002).]

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                  #9
                  err sipah e sahaba, and their shia extremist counterpartsetc were involved in internal strife for years. nothing came around, it had been around here since they started. conspiracy theory down de tube.
                  The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he did not exist. And like that... he is gone.

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                    #10
                    http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0702/p01s02-wosc.html

                    Especially with ISI still overtly helping the Jihadis, it will be very tough for Mush.

                    World > Asia: South & Central
                    from the July 02, 2002 edition

                    Al Qaeda thriving in Pakistani Kashmir

                    Sheltered by Pakistani intelligence, officially banned Islamic militants are moving freely near the Indian border.

                    By Philip Smucker | Special to The Christian Science Monitor

                    TARSHING, KASHMIR Nasir Ali, a wiry jeep driver, says Al Qaeda fighters from Afghanistan have arrived here in large numbers. He should know, he says, because he was the one who gave them a lift in from northern Pakistan after their escape from Afghanistan. "I, myself, drove three Arab fighters into the center of Kashmir," says Ali. "I carried them only part way in and their own jeeps met us and drove them the rest of the way. Hundreds have entered Kashmir in the last several months."
                    Mr. Ali, an employee for a private transport company, described in detail subsequent meetings with Middle Eastern fighters he admires. Ali's account, and several others gathered this week, of how groups of Al Qaeda fighters have infiltrated Kashmir present a harrowing prospect for Washington. Strategic analysts have long warned that Osama bin Laden's Al Qaeda network is keen to exploit tensions between the two nuclear powers of India and Pakistan, whose governments both claim full rights to divided Kashmir.

                    A week-long investigation uncovered evidence that Al Qaeda and an array of militant affiliate groups are prospering inside Pakistani-controlled Kashmir, with the tacit approval of Pakistani intelligence. The evidence comes after recent statements by US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld that he had "seen indications that there are Al Qaeda operating near the [UN] Line of Control" that separates Indian and Pakistani Kashmir, but that he had no hard evidence on numbers or location.

                    Senior officials in Pakistan called Mr. Rumsfeld's statements inaccurate and stressed that he had no real evidence. But the Pakistani military, which has begun to chase stray Al Qaeda elements in its tribal areas bordering Afghanistan, has been unwilling to crack down in Kashmir on Islamic militant groups that it has been pledging to eradicate since January.

                    Militants out in the open

                    Near the town of Astore, the gateway to northern Kashmir, sledgehammer blows echo across the steep valley walls as villagers break boulders and lay gravel for a new strategic road. Pakistani army engineers and villagers, drenched in perspiration and the light patter of early monsoon rains, look up as a shiny new jeep passes them with a bearded mullah smiling in the back seat. The vehicle bears a banner proclaiming the arrival in Kashmir of Harakat ul Mujahideen, an organization high on the US government's list of terrorist groups.

                    The Pakistani government has banned the group, which has intimate ties to Al Qaeda and suffered heavy losses while fighting the Western antiterror coalition last year in Afghanistan. The group, which wants Kashmir to be ruled by strict Islamic law, lost 22 fighters in a single US airstrike last year in Kabul. After the deaths, senior officials in Peshawar said that they would avenge the killings and continue their holy war.

                    The group now operates with impunity in this remote part of northern Kashmir. Fighters for several like-minded Pakistani "jihad" groups stream up and down a road leading to the Line of Control near Kupwara.

                    Pakistan's guerrilla war to liberate Indian Kashmir has been largely delegated to an array of holy warriors. Critics say that this "privatization" of the war allows the Pakistani government to continue to support its interest in recapturing Kashmir while denying any official government responsibility for armed attacks inside Indian Kashmir.

                    [b]Mohammad Muslim, the regional chief of Pakistan's powerful Interservices Intelligence (ISI) agency, says there are no Al Qaeda cells operating inside Kashmir. But he bitterly denounces what he calls the US government's "war against Islam."

                    "The US government destroyed the World Trade Center so that it would have an excuse to destroy Afghanistan," he says, drinking tea in the office of the regional police chief, who nods in full agreement. "After that, the US military killed tens of thousands of women and children in Afghanistan."[b/]

                    Bin Laden 'wrongly vilified'

                    The terse comments from the Pakistani official highlight long-standing Western concerns that Islamic radicals hold sway within the ISI, an agency that rose to prominence with CIA funding during the war against the Soviets in Afghanistan. Some of Musharraf's own intelligence officials, like Mr. Muslim, are now scoffing at the Pakistani president's professed new pro-Western, "anti-terrorist" stance here in Kashmir.

                    Asked if he agreed that Al Qaeda was a terrorist group, Muslim chuckled and said that Osama bin Laden has been wrongly vilified through CIA-produced fake videos of him talking about the World Trade Center attack. He added: "We don't have to agree with Musharraf here. He is the leader of our country, but he is not an elected leader."

                    A limited crackdown

                    Pakistan has not been completely inactive against Al Qaeda and its affiliates. Near the Afghan border last week, 10 Pakistani soldiers were killed in a firefight with Al Qaeda troops, and over the weekend, the government claimed to have nearly 3,000 troops combing the area for bin Laden's men.

                    But with "banned" militant groups operating in the open in Kashmir, it is increasingly clear that there are limits to the crackdown.

                    For Mr. Musharraf, reversing past government policies may prove easier said than done. Since 1989, the Pakistani government has openly helped the uprising against government forces in Indian Kashmir. In the '90s the ISI paid for Kashmiri guerrilla training camps to be moved into Afghanistan with the help of groups like Harakat ul Mujahideen.

                    Now, these same jihad fighters are flocking back to Kashmir. Some of the best guerrillas, say Kashmiri locals, are Arabs and other foreign nationals in bin Laden's group. "They are the most courageous fighters," says an unemployed local tour guide, speaking at the base of the 26,660-foot Nanga Parbat mountain. "They will ford a rushing stream at the risk of drowning."

                    Nasir Ali, the jeep driver, agrees. "They are the bravest. They are the elite warriors. If you talk with the most devoted fighters, most of them will tell you that the only way to deal with the kafirs [infidels] is to sacrifice yourself by strapping on bombs. This, they say, is the way of the true jihad fighter."

                    The Harakat and other Islamic jihadi groups also continue to staff offices in Pakistan proper near the Karakoram Highway which covers a stretch of the ancient "Silk Road." The road runs from Abbottabad along the western perimeter of Kashmir and into China.

                    School for Islamic fighters

                    Near the town of Besham in the Alai valley, the "School for the Revival of Islam" advertises on a large billboard that instructors provide Koranic studies and "military lessons." Students said the guerrilla tactics have proven useful in Kashmir.

                    Across the countryside, the Islamabad government is facing protests against its efforts to register and reorganize religious schools that foster a culture of militancy.

                    Leaders of these schools have strongly criticized President Musharraf for supporting what they call Western "infidel powers" and have vowed, along with the militant groups they nurture, to resist what they see as government interference in their activities.

                    Shabir Ahmed Madani, an armed activist with Harakat ul Mujahideen, whose own mountain redoubt is reached by a small cable car that swings precariously across an immense gorge, says his organization has played a vital role in moving thousands of Afghan and Arab fighters across northern Pakistan and into Kashmir.

                    "We have sent all of our Afghan friends to Kashmir," he says. "The army won't dare come across this valley and try to close us down. We have guns and we won't let his forces across this ravine." Mr. Madani readily provided a bank account and name for anyone interested in donating to his group's holy war.

                    War on Terrorism: Pakistan: ally or unreliable 'client'?


                    [This message has been edited by Mir of Hunza (edited July 01, 2002).]

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                      #11
                      Talwar, by occupying Kashmir, the Indian army is only promoting the functioning of these groups.

                      That land is ours by right.

                      Get out of Kashmir, and the terrorism will stop.

                      Cut the problem at the root of the matter, I say.

                      [This message has been edited by PyariCgudia (edited July 02, 2002).]
                      I believe in dragons, good men, and other fantasy creatures.

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                        #12
                        Aspiration for Kashmir is not the cause of fundamentalist terrorism. It's closer to the effect rather.

                        The unabshed "Kashmir is ours" in the post says it all. All pretense of 'helping Kashmir people decide their fate' seems to have been replaced by the 'it is ours'!

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                          #13
                          http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentSe...=1012571727282


                          An Indian summer

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                            #14
                            Arjun, with all due respect, India who proposes to be a great democracy doesn't even respect the right of the people and instead, has the hindu leader of a muslim people, who dont wish to be under India in the first place, hand the land of these said muslim people to itself. When the partition was being planned, we all know that Kashmir was to be part of Pakistan.

                            Thus, it is ours. The decision of an unwanted hindu leader has no effect, and shouldn't even be recognized by a country that prides itself on its democratic form of govt.

                            The point has come now where many Kashmiris are tired of playing monkey in the middle and wish to be separated. And they very well may win their own independence if they like. But that doesn't change the fact that India played a pretty nasty game to steal land that was promised to Pakistan, and then to top it off, India has the nerve to parade it around as its own dharti.

                            This is what upsets Pakistanis. And like i've said before. Feelings matter. If they didn't, humans wouldn't fight wars.
                            I believe in dragons, good men, and other fantasy creatures.

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                              #15
                              Arjun ji, Pakistan does not claim Kashmir as part of Pakistan. The official stance of Pakistani government is that we want the Kashmiri people to decide their own fate, by holding a plebisite in the held valley. I believe the " Largest Democracy ", owe this much to the Kashmiri people.
                              Unity, Faith & Discipline....
                              --Jinnah

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