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    Ahmedis to be struck of electoral rolls

    Ahmedis to be struck off electoral rolls


    President General Pervez Musharraf and his military-government have promulgated the Conduct of General Elections (Second Amendment) Order 2002 that prohibits listing Ahmedis or Quadianis on electoral rolls.

    The government has invited objections to this order within ten days from its promulgation. Under the order, a non-Muslim or Ahmedi cannot register to vote. Any Ahmedis or Quadianis found to be on the official electoral rolls would be summoned by the Revising Authority. Their appearance before this authority would be mandatory within 15 days of receiving notification. This person shall then be required to sign a declaration agreeing to the finality of the Holy Prophet. If this person refuses to sign this, he or she shall be deemed non-Muslims. The name of this person shall then be removed from the electoral rolls. Following is the complete, official text of the order:

    “Chief Executive’s Order No. 15 of 2002. An order further to amend the Conduct of General Elections Order, 2002 “WHEREAS it is expedient to further amend the Conduct of General Elections Order, 2002 (Chief Executive’s Order No. 7 of 2002), for the purposes hereinafter appearing:

    “NOW, THEREFORE, in pursuance of the Proclamation of Emergency on the fourteenth day of October, 1999, and the Provisional Constitution Order No. 1 of 1999, and in exercise of all powers enabling him in that behalf, the Chief Executive of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan is pleased to make and promulgate the following Order:

    “Short title and Commencement: (1) This Order may be called the Conduct of General Elections (Second Amendment) Order, 2002. (2) It shall come into force at once.

    “Insertion of new Article 7B and 7C, Chief Executive’s Order No. 7 of 2002. In the Conduct of General Elections Order, 2002 (Chief Executive’s Order No.7 of 2002), after Article 7A, the following new Articles shall be inserted, namely:

    “7B. Status of Ahmedis etc to remain unchanged. Notwithstanding anything contained in the Electoral Rolls Act, 1974 (XXI of 1974), the Electoral Rolls Rules, 1974, or any other law for the time being in force, including the Forms prescribed for preparation of electoral rolls on joint electorate basis in pursuance of Article 7 of the Conduct of General Elections Order, 2002 (Chief Executive’s Order No. 7 of 2002), the status of Quadiani Group or the Lahori Group (who call themselves ‘Ahmedis’ or by any other name) or a person who does not believe in the absolute and unqualified finality of the Prophet hood of Muhammad (peace be upon him), the last of the prophets or claimed or claims to be a Prophet, in any sense of the word or of any description whatsoever, after Muhammad (peace be upon him) or recognises such a claimant as a Prophet or a religious reformer shall remain the same as provided in the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, 1973.

    “7C. If a person has got himself enrolled as voter and objection is filed before the Revising Authority notified under the Electoral Rolls Act, 1974, within ten days from issuance of the Conduct of General Elections (Second Amendment) Order, 2002, that such a voter is not a Muslim, the Revising Authority shall issue a notice to him to appear before it within fifteen days and require him to sign a declaration regarding his belief about the absolute and unqualified finality of the Prophet hood of Muhammad (peace be upon him) in Form IV prescribed under the Electoral Rolls Rules, 1974. In case he refuses to sign the declaration as aforesaid, he shall be deemed to be a non-Muslim and his name shall be deleted from the joint electoral rolls and added to supplementary list of voters in the same electoral area as non-Muslim. In case the voter does not turn in spite of service of notice, an ex-parte order may be passed against him.”

    #2
    religen and constituition should not mix.
    goverment should not in the business
    of decribing who are true muslims.

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      #3
      Whatever the tuth is, no matter how they are viewed in Pak, we do not burn them to death, unlike religious minorities in India!

      [This message has been edited by RealDeal (edited June 17, 2002).]

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        #4
        Originally posted by RealDeal:
        Whatever the tuth is, no matter how they are viewed in Pak, we do not burn them to death, unlike religious minorities in India!

        [This message has been edited by RealDeal (edited June 17, 2002).]

        may be you forgot about bangaldesh .

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          #5
          Originally posted by rvikz:

          may be you forgot about bangaldesh .
          We gave them independence and freed their leader, what more could u ask... will u be willing to do the same to gujrat and kashmir? no way... so keep a lid on it...

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            #6
            oh, and whomsover started this debate...

            if you didnt know, according to the constituition, the ahmedis are non-muslims (ahmedi guppers, no offense intended)... So shouldnt they be voting like the other non-Muslims too?

            P.S. Ahmedi community, I am not trying to imply that you guys are Non-Muslims, so please dont take it in the wrong sense, I am just mentioning a fact from the 71 constituition.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Spock:
              We gave them independence and freed their leader, what more could u ask... will u be willing to do the same to gujrat and kashmir? no way... so keep a lid on it...

              you did not give independace they freed themselves .

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                #8
                Originally posted by rvikz:

                may be you forgot about bangaldesh .
                Maybe you forgot that was a war fought agianst rebels armed by India.

                Maybe you forgot that whole saga was 3 decades agao, and the whole world has changed.

                Wheras right now religous minorities in 'secular' India are being tortured and burned to death.

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                  #9
                  How is this different from all the rest of the anti-Ahmedi bull crap going around. Until Pakistan can figure out what it wants to be, a moderate country or a fundementalist ruled country, this is going to keep happeneing. Still we cant let garbage lke this divide the country. Its typical that a super patriot Indian like Talwar would post this sh1t.
                  Pakistan should be first...

                  [This message has been edited by Adnan Ahmed (edited June 18, 2002).]

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Spock:
                    oh, and whomsover started this debate...

                    if you didnt know, according to the constituition, the ahmedis are non-muslims (ahmedi guppers, no offense intended)... So shouldnt they be voting like the other non-Muslims too?

                    P.S. Ahmedi community, I am not trying to imply that you guys are Non-Muslims, so please dont take it in the wrong sense, I am just mentioning a fact from the 71 constituition.

                    Yeah, but unlike other non Muslims in Pakistan, Ahmedis have to sign a decleration before they can be respected as human beings and given their right to vote. I doubt any Ahmedi wil vote now

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                      #11
                      Yeah whatever ... *yawns*

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                        #12
                        It is news like that that drives me to bottle.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by NYAhmadi:
                          It is news like that that drives me to bottle.
                          I will be at Bryant Park Cafe after work discussing the very topic with a few birds. Come by or I will give you excerpts tomorrow.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Adnan Ahmed:

                            Yeah, but unlike other non Muslims in Pakistan, Ahmedis have to sign a decleration before they can be respected as human beings and given their right to vote. I doubt any Ahmedi wil vote now
                            Adnan, can u plz elaborate on that? What exactly do you need to sign before you can vote??

                            Thanks...

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                              #15
                              Spock..why can’t you just say that it is an assbackward system that is not only ridiculous, but also outright in-humane. Ahmadis are as much Pakistanis as anyone else. When the US talks about fingerprinting Muslims everyone jumps up and down how racist it is. This is essentially a same practice, which is denying citizens their right to chose their representatives. If they don’t vote, don’t expect them to follow the law either, in which they didn’t have any say. Time to join forces with the IRA and the Israelis, I guess.

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