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    Intresting Article from a Pakistani

    I may not fully agree with it .But I found it very intresting.


    We face what we deserve.

    Abid Ullah Jan

    Before we criticise India for its belligerent attitude towards Pakistan;
    before we beg for peace; before we seek international mediation and before
    we decide to put our lives at stake and go to war with India, lets pause and
    think of the days between September 11 and October 7, 2001. Was not the
    Afghan government pleading the world for justice just as we are doing now?
    Didn't it ask the US to come up with evidence of its alleged crime? Was not
    the Afghan government morally and diplomatically supporting its Arab guests?
    Did anyone listen to its pleas that no terrorism was carried out from its
    soil? Certainly not. The reason was that the US had to achieve a set
    objective. Would anyone listen to our pleas now? Definitely not, because
    there is a sub-objective to achieve now -- with or without our cooperation.

    The objective then was to dislodge the Taliban, occupy Afghanistan and put
    an end to any attempt at consolidating an Islamic state. We helped the US
    achieve these objectives. Now it's our turn. If we could sell our brothers
    to help the US strike at the roots of Islamic concepts, can't India sell its
    enemies to eliminate the military strength needed to defend practicing those
    concepts? We claim, India cannot justify war with the facts or the law. So
    was the US war on Afghanistan clearly illegal. Both cases constitute armed
    aggression. However, it is necessary for Washington to move to the next
    stage of war on Islam. The objective this time is to destroy Pakistan's
    nuclear capability.

    If we could not refuse playing a role for a few million dollars, how would
    India waste an opportunity to disarm Pakistan with full American and Israeli
    assistance in jamming our radar facilities? What else would the Indians need
    when US and British forces occupying our military bases provide them with
    Command Codes of Defence? What else does the "real possibility of a war,"
    by UK and hints at "limited war," by the US mean? The top conspirators would
    know exactly as to when and how our nuclear facilities would be knocked off
    just as everyone at the helm of affairs knew in advance about September 11.


    We do not deserve to complain about Indian policy if we do remember our role
    in the US war on Afghanistan. Were not we the first to declare evidence
    against the Afghan government conclusive at a time when Colin Powell
    admitted (October 03) that the case against Osama and Al-Qaeda is not even
    circumstantial? The lawyers know that the lowest level of proof one could
    possibly imagine is a circumstantial. Yes, the World Court has ruled that a
    state can be found guilty on the basis of circumstantial evidence, provided
    there is proof beyond a reasonable doubt. But here we had the US Secretary
    of State admitting that the case is not even circumstantial. If it was not
    even circumstantial, then what was it? Rumour, allegation, innuendo,
    insinuation, disinformation, or propaganda? Certainly not enough to start a
    war.
    We are now facing what we deserve. We are standing in the Taliban shoes. The
    only difference is that of leadership. The Taliban leadership was not
    cooperating with the US, but ours is more than willing to offer anything to
    have nothing but a few days of peace in the seat of imaginary power.
    Musharraf won't tell us what he knows, discusses and plans with the US. Due
    to emotional involvement of the public, Musharraf cannot offer Pakistan's
    nuclear arms to the US on a plate. But such arms destroyed in a "limited
    war" would be part of the game -- accepted, mourned and forgotten like East
    Pakistan.

    The stage is set. Just like the US attitude after September 11, India blames
    every murderous attack in India on Pakistan and vows to take action in
    retaliation. The newspaper headings repeat the same story, but with
    different actor, as we witnessed before October 07: "India calls for tough
    action," "Islamabad stresses for more active EU role to mediate," May 18.
    "Pakistan wants observers on Line of control," "Delhi spurns Islamabad's
    call," May 21. "Vajpayee warns of decisive battle," "Musharraf seeks talks,
    pledges to curb terrorism," May 23. Any delay in the Indian attack would
    only be due to changes in the work plans in Washington for some strategic
    reasons, not New Delhi.

    The defence analysts in Washington, Tel Aviv and New Delhi have long
    pondered neutralising Pakistan's nuclear capability. They, however, could
    not develop a situation to commit the crime, yet come out guiltless before
    the world. Nawaz Sharif, who claimed the credit for making Pakistan a
    nuclear state, could not help them carryout such plans. The military would
    not let him sell what a strong Centre would sell without any problem. And
    that's why Nawaz had to go, irrespective of his involvement in development
    or mismanagement. After the coup, Associated Press reported on October 13
    that often "the State Department withdraws its ambassador as a sign of
    unhappiness with a wayward country. But officials said US Ambassador William
    Milam, who was in the US, planned to hurry back to his post in Islamabad.

    According to US experts like Robert McFarlane, the only way to deal with
    "dysfunctional nuclear democracy" is to propose military control (NY Times
    October 14) and for that Musharraf was also a wise pick because the US was
    too worried about "fundamentalism" in Pakistan army. The theory was that if
    Pakistan's internal problems mount and power squabbles weaken central
    political authority, there will be a risk that renegade military elements or
    Taliban-type Islamic militias may seek control of nuclear weapons. (IHT,
    October 14, 1999). For that reason, Nawaz Sharif's move to replace Gen.
    Musharraf with Ziauddin was thwarted by Washington because it was considered
    as an attempt to "appease the fundamentalist opposition." Ziauddin was also
    known as "Pakistan's principal supplier of the Taliban" in American circles
    (The Nation, Nov 01, 1999).

    The coup was not as sudden as we have been made to believe. For three weeks
    before the coup, military representatives and civilian politicians hastened
    to Washington like colonial minions. Mr. Bush, even as a Governor of Texas
    preferred Musharraf over Nawaz Sharif and Frank Anderson, former chief of
    the CIA's Near East Division, and Milt Bearden, former CIA chief in
    Pakistan, supported Bush's choice in their New York Times column, "The Case
    of the General" (Nov 12. 1999). Soon after Musharraf's take over, the
    western attention was focused on "the military's attitude toward religion"
    to see if it would prefer the "concept that Pakistan is a 'state for
    Muslims' rather than one that must apply Islamic tenets to all things?"
    (IHT, October 16, 1999).

    The present Indo-Pak stand off is the result of a planned effort for which
    all pawns and ninepins are in place for quite some time. General Musharraf
    is more helpless than a common man in the Pakistani streets. He thinks
    every move he makes for Washington would be the last, hardly realising that
    every steps on the American directions tightens noose around his neck. In
    his view, allowing US to fully utilize Pakistan's military facilities,
    intelligence information, personnel and soil would be a short-term affair
    and he would reap long-term benefits. Now that the war is equally being
    fought on the Pakistani and Afghan soil with no end in sight, the only
    benefit he could obtain is American tacit approval of his referendum. In
    turn, he has now to play a key role in the stage-two of the war on Islam as
    well. Like all Pakistanis, he, too, faces, what he deserves.

    The next country the US has to deal with, if it wants to stem the rising
    tides of Islam, is not Iraq or Somalia. It is Pakistan. Just as the US could
    not complete the process of demonising the concept of Islamic state without
    dislodging the Taliban, it cannot begin the process of a global crackdown on
    Islam until Islam's nuclear power is not neutralized and Islamic
    organizations and their movements inside Pakistan are not broken. This means
    that unless the Pakistani government acts directly to achieve these
    objectives, the United States must either begin to treat Pakistan as a
    hostile power or must abandon its strategic goals. The latter is impossible.
    If Washington is not going to abandon its goals, it must create a plan of
    operation in Pakistan. Part of this plan would be implemented through the
    sitting government and part of it would be carried out by India which
    awaited such a historical opportunity since its founding. Nevertheless,
    sitting before its elaborate long term plans, the US must not forget that
    Pakistan is not Afghanistan, and such manipulation could have explosive
    results.


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    Unka Jo Kaam hai Ahl-e-Siyasat Jaane,
    Apna paigam muhabbat hai ,jahan tak pahuche

    #2
    Where is the Link ????????Plz give us the Link to goto and verify then I shall give you an approperiate response.

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    GOD BLESS PAKISTAN.
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    A Faith that cannot survive collision with the truth is not worth many regrets.

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      #3
      Originally posted by TARIQ786USA:
      Where is the Link ????????Plz give us the Link to goto and verify then I shall give you an approperiate response.

      I dont have link.It was forwarded to my by one of Ummah's email group.
      But more than link we can discuss the content.

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        #4
        Why are you, as a secular Indian, on an Ummah mailing list?

        Don't try to play both sides my friend. Look what happened to Pakistanis, when we played both sides. Na idhar kay, na udhar kay.

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          #5
          Originally posted by JimmyC:
          Why are you, as a secular Indian, on an Ummah mailing list?

          Don't try to play both sides my friend. Look what happened to Pakistanis, when we played both sides. Na idhar kay, na udhar kay.
          well I can be a Muslim and Indian both and I dont face any contradictions.
          I just wanted to start a debate on this article and I am not taking sides.

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            #6
            Andha- firstly you are Indian so I am suspicious of your motives.

            Articles like this are written by those Pakistanis who are not happy siding with America and using this opportunity to convince the nation of their argument.

            US has no interets in seeing a destroyed Pak Army as it NEEDS the Pak military now.
            If it try's to move against Pak nukes, Pak assistance would end, and like I said they need this help.

            Not just logistical support, but intelligence is said to be the key to defeating Al-Qaeda and getting Bin Laden, for this they need Pakistan.

            now a couple points about the article.

            Mr. Bush, even as a Governor of Texas
            preferred Musharraf over Nawaz Sharif


            Do you not remember Bush's infamous media interview where he could name several world leaders, including Musharraf?!!

            He didn't even know who he was, but he supported him?!!

            For that reason, Nawaz Sharif's move to replace Gen.Musharraf with Ziauddin was thwarted by Washington because it was considered as an attempt to "appease the fundamentalist opposition." Ziauddin was also
            known as "Pakistan's principal supplier of the Taliban" in American circles.


            In case you didn't notice, Sharif was stopped by the PAK ARMY!!!

            Two weeks before his overthrow, NS sensing a coup went to the Yanks, and they issued a public statement syaing 'we want democracy in Pak'!...thereby supporting NS!!!



            [This message has been edited by RealDeal (edited May 26, 2002).]

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              #7
              this is too elaborate a scheme to have been man made. It is also simply too fantastic. As an Indian while this kind of 'fooling Pakistan' may make me feel good for a fleeting second, I cannot rejoice one full second because war is not a game. India and Pakistan have to learn to live together. But I'll admit, this plot will make a good novel - a fiction.

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                #8
                Originally posted by ArjunMahavir:
                this is too elaborate a scheme to have been man made. It is also simply too fantastic. As an Indian while this kind of 'fooling Pakistan' may make me feel good for a fleeting second, I cannot rejoice one full second because war is not a game. India and Pakistan have to learn to live together. But I'll admit, this plot will make a good novel - a fiction.
                Totally Agree ,but it does bring a point that after what they did in Afghanistan paksitan has lost a moral ground.



                [This message has been edited by andha_qanoon (edited May 26, 2002).]

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                  #9
                  re Pakistan losing moral ground etc....This doesn't mean anything either. What moral ground do I as an Indian Hindu have to stand on after Godhra? (Yes I know both Hindus and Muslims died there and that doesn't neutralize the sin on the two sides. It only doubles the sin).

                  Forget empty bygone arguements of morality and focus laser sharp on reality. We have to live together. We are neither superior nor inferior to our neighbor. Our religion ...same thing. We have great religious doctrine and so do they. We have fundamentals and so do they.

                  We have jointly managed to put a fine fabric called Kashmir on a thorny bush. We have to very carefully take it out - one thorn at a time...one little issue at a time.

                  Talk of valor and superiority and military attacks - will be akin to get that silken fabric on the thorny bush by yanking at it.

                  And a wider war to prove might will be futile too. You gotta be alive to feel the pride of winning don't you think? Have you ever seen a pile of ash that was proud?

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                    #10
                    Arjun- well said.

                    I agree with you, but again, it is India who is threatening to attack Pak, not the other way around.

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                      #11
                      The plot seems a little far fetched, but difficult to believe.
                      As for our situation and that of Afghanistans, well, i see the parallel and understand the shamefulness of the whole thing. But, I dont think anyone would ever disagree that the Taliban didn't deserve to be in Power. In Fact, i think it should have been the Muslim countries that threw them out. Pakistan had made the grave mistake of creating them and bringing them to power. Its also true that they had gotten way out of hand. They were our Frankenstein monster which had to be destroyed if we wanted to save ourselves.

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                        #12
                        Andhay !
                        You are Andhay....aren't you? What a BullS.... Plan you are revealing.CIA must be knocking at your door any day!What is Nuclear BomB?is that peice of metal and what inside it,which you are seeing on TV screen nowadays? You dumb head its not what you think or anyone else in your boat think.its the capability to make it,its the brain behind that metal peice(long with flames when takes off).
                        Or is it like i'm a writer someone stole my notebook or somebody took my pen now what i will do?OOps.........Grow up and stop sharing these nonsense in this forum.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Jahanzaib:
                          Andhay !
                          You are Andhay....aren't you? What a BullS.... Plan you are revealing.CIA must be knocking at your door any day!What is Nuclear BomB?is that peice of metal and what inside it,which you are seeing on TV screen nowadays? You dumb head its not what you think or anyone else in your boat think.its the capability to make it,its the brain behind that metal peice(long with flames when takes off).
                          Or is it like i'm a writer someone stole my notebook or somebody took my pen now what i will do?OOps.........Grow up and stop sharing these nonsense in this forum.
                          Did I say Its my opinion... !!!!!
                          Kool it off...or go to loo and shake it man.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by andha_qanoon:
                            Did I say Its my opinion... !!!!!
                            Kool it off...or go to loo and shake it man.
                            Thanks for advise........and i didn't accuse you for that article,i did say" stop sharing this nonsense". only if you paid attention ! i did shake it and it feels good now.but you must be holding it too long....goahead try what you advised me.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by RealDeal:
                              it is India who is threatening to attack Pak, not the other way around.
                              You must be aware, Pak has declared its 'undeclared war' on India long ago and international community, slowly but surely, has started recognising this fact. So while India is only threatening, Pak's plans are in place more than 10 years now.

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