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    Another Pakistan's Stand Proved Right -- The whining guests at Almaty

    Pakistan is saying from day one that KASHMIR is an international issue and cant be resolved without mediation and involvement of international Community. Guess what ? Vajpiee is realizing that
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    The whining guests at Almaty

    A blinkered Vajpayee turns an international forum into a domestic platform,
    says Parsa Venkateshwar Rao Jr


    New Delhi, June 4

    Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee and Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf used the occasion of the first summit of Conference on Interaction and Confidence Building in Asia (CICA) at Almaty, the Kazakh capital on Tuesday, to air bilateral grievances.

    While Vajpayee reiterated that cross-border terrorism had to end, Musharraf said that Pakistan did not want war, would initiate one but would defend with resolution and determination in case of a war.

    While it was understandable that Pakistan should be obsessed with India and the Kashmir issue, it was sad to see the Indian prime minister addressing bilateral issues at a unique conference on Asian security.

    In other days and in other times, an Indian prime minister would have been expected to speak of the need for Asian countries to cooperate with each other and to focus on economic development more than on futile military expenditure....

    For Complete artical click here

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    Generalizations are generally wrong.

    #2
    I haven't read the full article referred here but if it said what you say it says, then this guy Parsa has his head buried in sand if I want to be charitable and elsewhere more likely than sand.

    It is not just Vajpayee and Musharraf that are fixated on the ecurrent conflict but the whole world. If Vajpayee and Mush are not focussing on this problem a full 100% then that is when there is something wrong with what they are doing. I find it very cavalier to suggest that Vajpayee should do something else in that forum.

    This article for some reason reminds me of inexperienced MBAs trying to repair a CNC machine by hand without a manual about the machine but using Harvard Business Review as the reference. Just plain foolish.

    I get angry because this fool thinks that Vajpayee is fool, Musharraf is a fool, everyone in both delegations are fools. Just this senor Parsa has seen the light!

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      #3
      Originally posted by ArjunMahavir:
      I get angry because this fool thinks that Vajpayee is fool, Musharraf is a fool, everyone in both delegations are fools. Just this senor Parsa has seen the light!

      Yes but what he's saying is that Vajpayee is unwittingly attracting international interet in Kashmir. If you follow his argument, you will ask yourself why, when India has 700,000+ troops, numerical superiority, favourable world opinion, resources etc etc, it has not been able to do the job itself, and why drag in everybody else. The answer is simple.

      India has grand delusions. India thinks it is the U.S. of Asia. Hence it thinks that what happened on 9/11 can be cut and pasted and applied to India. Jaswant Singh himself said idiotically that the world has joined India in the fight against terrorism.


      If only the world applied as much reolve in the last 2 years to alleviate poverty, cancer and aids.

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        #4
        Aloo: Actually there's a very good reason why Indian army has not been able to stop the violence in Kashmir. Because when they get rid of one bunch of terrorists another bunch is sent in from Pakistan. That is why we want to hit the rat factories (in POK) as opposed to just the rats that sneak in. Comprende?

        As to India's delusions - whether grand or not - there are strong corollaries between the US and India. Here are a few that come to mind: ex-British colonies that fought and won independence, democratic political systems, market driven economy, very diverse population, record of peaceful transition of power generation to generation. And yes there are many differences and yes in each of above statements of similarity there are differences and exceptions. But the big picture points to two nations similar in many philosophies.

        So who do you blame for drawing world attentin and resources away from poverty, cancer? Terrorists (Osama, parts of ISI, Aby Sayid, Jamait etc.) or their victims who fight back?

        [This message has been edited by ArjunMahavir (edited June 05, 2002).]

        [This message has been edited by ArjunMahavir (edited June 05, 2002).]

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          #5
          Why not just admit that their are Kashmirir people fighting against Indian control? Do you in all honesty think that all freedom fighters are from Pakistan or someplace else?
          Lastly, dont you think its morally wrong to force these people to be Indian? Dont you think that the Kashmiris should be given the right to choose their own future. Wouldnt you agree that they just like Indians had the right to cede from the British raj, that the Kashmiris should be given the right t0 do the same from the Indian raj?

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            #6
            Originally posted by ArjunMahavir:
            Aloo: Actually there's a very good reason why Indian army has not been able to stop the violence in Kashmir. Because when they get rid of one bunch of terrorists another bunch is sent in from Pakistan. That is why we want to hit the rat factories (in POK) as opposed to just the rats that sneak in. Comprende?

            As to India's delusions - whether grand or not - there are strong corollaries between the US and India. Here are a few that come to mind: ex-British colonies that fought and won independence, democratic political systems, market driven economy, very diverse population, record of peaceful transition of power generation to generation. And yes there are many differences and yes in each of above statements of similarity there are differences and exceptions. But the big picture points to two nations similar in many philosophies.

            So who do you blame for drawing world attentin and resources away from poverty, cancer? Terrorists (Osama, parts of ISI, Aby Sayid, Jamait etc.) or their victims who fight back?

            [This message has been edited by ArjunMahavir (edited June 05, 2002).]

            [This message has been edited by ArjunMahavir (edited June 05, 2002).]

            I guess this thing has not seen those rallies and strikes in Kashmir, just for independence... No, there is no development problem in Kashmir (like that idiot puppet farooq abdullah junior says)... The problem is much grave... Its a freedom struggle...

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              #7
              Originally posted by Adnan Ahmed:
              Why not just admit that their are Kashmirir people fighting against Indian control? Do you in all honesty think that all freedom fighters are from Pakistan or someplace else?
              Lastly, dont you think its morally wrong to force these people to be Indian? Dont you think that the Kashmiris should be given the right to choose their own future. Wouldnt you agree that they just like Indians had the right to cede from the British raj, that the Kashmiris should be given the right t0 do the same from the Indian raj?
              Adnan: Your post is next to mine and I am going to assume your question is directed at me.

              This is what I think happened in Kashmir. Like in anyother large societies that have change forced on them by unnatural events (in this case partition of India) I am sure there was a portion of population that dissented either with the result or the process. This is natural. However what made it into a crisis of the proportions we see today are: 1) Pakistan could not not digest the fact Kashmir went to India and have fanned the flames of this dissent from day one 2) In addition to such support they have been conducting cross-border terrorism and sabotage by sending sewer rats to create mayhem 3) Indian response started too late, did not take a strategic approach from day one. As a result, the section of diasenters in Kashmir has grown from the small to trivial percentage to significant but minority levels. But the percentage within this minority that actually supports violent action to cede from India is miniscule however. Most of this group just want the violence to go away, one way or other. Pakistan does not want the violence to go away because that will once and for all settle Kashmir in India. So it continues the cross-border terrorism to keep the flames going.

              So now you end up a large group that wants Pakistan to stop this cross-border terrorism and let them live in peace as Indians, a small group that think going to Pakistan is better because India will not conduct the kind of proxy war that Pakistan has been and a third group which is smaller than the first and bigger than the second that say "look India and Pakistan have not let us live in peace and so we'll leave both".

              Obviously from the foregoing, the criminal is Pakistan and the victim India and Kashmiris. Pakistan should stop its nefarious activities and that will enable India to reduce military presence in Kashmir and return normalcy to that people.

              [This message has been edited by ArjunMahavir (edited June 06, 2002).]

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                #8
                amazing how some eloquent prose coming from an indian can make a feable attempt at making the kashmiris froget they are palestinians in the hands of another israel

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                  #9
                  rite...

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