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    Blow India Out of Existence

    Something from the past but still a good read.

    Like most Kashmiris 26-year-old Ashraf will never call himself an Indian




    I realised there was something terribly wrong in Kashmir while in school. The National Conference government was very corrupt. People felt that politics would not get them anywhere. That's how it started.

    The movement started underground. The first time we saw the shadow of the gun was in incidents across downtown Srinagar. Till then we had not even heard of the Kalashnikov. We didn't know what it was. In fact, there were a lot of speculations about how it looked. People said it could be folded so small that you could keep it in your pocket. That was how innocent Kashmiris were in the beginning.

    Eighty per cent of the people then wholeheartedly supported the mujahideen (freedom fighters). The CRPF were around at that time. They were very brutal. They came to Kashmir as if they were invading Pakistan. They behaved like an army of occupation.

    The army came later. They also started doing the same thing. They would stop everyone with a beard and say, 'Okay, we know you are a militant.' They would detain us for hours, abuse us... all the time, we would be hanging our heads and smiling (you had to smile, you see, or they would accuse you of being sullen) and trying to humour them.

    Just imagine how you would feel if it happened to you day in and day out. That is when the thought of revenge occurs to you. That's why many youths became militants.

    The crackdowns were very severe during the early 90s. I was beaten up many times. Now getting beaten up, abused and killed have become a part of our life. When there is a crackdown, we know what to do. We do it without thinking... If we get kicked or slapped, we just hang our heads, smile and say 'sorry, sir, okay sir' and keep moving. Nobody feels that there's anything wrong with that anymore.

    We hate India. If I had some magical power, I would blow India out of existence. A Kashmiri will never feel he is an Indian. He will never accept India. Nor will he accept Pakistan. We want freedom. When we see the brutality of Indian forces, we cannot help feeling that way. I will tell you one incident.

    An army officer stopped me for questioning one day. I think it was in 1993. "Oh, so you are from downtown? Okay, all people there are militants, so you are a militant."

    I told him no, sir, I am not one.

    "Okay, you may not be a militant, but you are a supporter."

    I told him no. I still remember what that officer told me.

    "Ham yaham par aaye hai militancy badane keliye; chupane keliye nahin. (We came here to boost militancy; not to fight it). Otherwise, we will have to leave Kashmir -- and where else do we have such women? Laal, laal tomator jaise ladkiyam aur kaham melenge?"

    I think if I had a gun in my hand at that time I would have shot that officer. But I went on hanging my head and smiling and smiling...

    By 1994 people were fed up with crackdowns and the accompanying harassment. That's why we have pinned our hopes on talks now. We feel talks are better than the gun. We feel nothing can be gained through violence.

    But make no mistake, there is still wholehearted support for militancy. The difference now is that we support it very quietly. If earlier the people showed support by giving food, shelter etc to militants, now they do it by more covert methods -- for instance, providing valuable information.

    You ask about human rights. There are no human rights in Kashmir. The security personnel have their way. They are the kings here. They are deployed for whose security? Ours. Then why are they terrorising the same people they are supposed to protect?

    When you see your friend being killed unnecessarily you feel anger. You feel the need for revenge. We have got used to killings now. Every Kashmiri has suffered. We want a permanent solution. We want it fast. Maybe a war between Pakistan and India is the answer. If Pakistan captures Kashmir, they will talk to the Hurriyat leaders. That may help...



    The magical powers are the nuclear weapons at our disposal. I say we end this once and for all. Strike first and destroy these dirty buggers once and for all.


    A first-attack is much better.Kill all the babas in delhi,bombay,calcutta,ahemedabad plus the other slums that we can target.
    It should be all over in 24hrs.Then we liberate Kashmir.

    [This message has been edited by Sherlock (edited May 25, 2002).]

    #2
    And then the Kashmiris gain their independance from both Pakistan and India? Like this guy said, tey neither want Pakistan or India... So what are we fighting for then?

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      #3
      Originally posted by Sherlock:

      The magical powers are the nuclear weapons at our disposal. I say we end this once and for all. Strike first and destroy these dirty buggers once and for all.


      A first-attack is much better.Kill all the babas in delhi,bombay,calcutta,ahemedabad plus the other slums that we can target.
      It should be all over in 24hrs.Then we liberate Kashmir.


      [This message has been edited by Sherlock (edited May 25, 2002).][/B]
      jeee.. guess which way the nuclear cloud will be blowing..

      whoever fires the first strike.. will ensure that the waste cloud comes towards their own country..

      stupid rhetoric does nothing to our benefit..

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        #4
        The Winds blow westward, towards India, not Pak.

        India could score an 'own goal' by nuking Pak, not the other way around.

        I am sick of these Hindoos blackmailing us, I agree lets blow them to hell!!

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          #5
          Not possible and ypou know that for fact. What's this? Your suicide / homicide bombing tendencies taking over? What blackmail?

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            #6
            Originally posted by ArjunMahavir:
            Not possible and ypou know that for fact. What's this? Your suicide / homicide bombing tendencies taking over? What blackmail?
            I don't want a war, but I am tired of India putting their forces on the border saying they 'will teach us a lesson' and blaming Pak every time someone farts in India!!

            Like India is SO innocent! I don't want to have to worry every few months about my family and my life been destroyed, FINISH THIS!!! WAHTEVER IT TAKES!!!

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              #7
              No Real, please I beg you: don't give in to ego and mental fatigue. You and I didn't get us here but we have to get us out of this predicament. We cannot get tired.

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                #8
                Originally posted by ArjunMahavir:
                No Real, please I beg you: don't give in to ego and mental fatigue. You and I didn't get us here but we have to get us out of this predicament. We cannot get tired.
                I understand what you're saying, and appreciate you comments. It's a VERY complicated situation on both sides.

                Vested interests in India and Pakistan, and abroad have gotten us here,right now i want the BJP/RSS to stop threatening my country, that's it.

                [This message has been edited by RealDeal (edited May 27, 2002).]

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Adnan Ahmed:
                  And then the Kashmiris gain their independance from both Pakistan and India? Like this guy said, tey neither want Pakistan or India... So what are we fighting for then?
                  On TARGET

                  Kashmiris if given the option to choose between India, Pakistan and Independence will invariable choose Independence.

                  Adnan, maybe up till the 1960s, Kashmiris may have opted for Pakistan. At this point, independence is their choice. Also, Azad Kasshmir is included in that independence movement.

                  I would love to hear other Pakistanis opinions on Kashmir becoming an Independent nation.


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                  The eyelids of a Rajputs eyes are lowered only in death.

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                    #10
                    what is poor slumdwellers to do with kashmir?
                    they dont even knoww what is kashmir?

                    [This message has been edited by rvikz (edited May 27, 2002).]

                    [This message has been edited by sabah (edited May 29, 2002).]

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by RajputFury:
                      On TARGET

                      Kashmiris if given the option to choose between India, Pakistan and Independence will invariable choose Independence.

                      Adnan, maybe up till the 1960s, Kashmiris may have opted for Pakistan. At this point, independence is their choice. Also, Azad Kasshmir is included in that independence movement.

                      I would love to hear other Pakistanis opinions on Kashmir becoming an Independent nation.



                      If the govt decides to give them that option I will go along with it, but, we may end up losing a lot more then we gained.
                      Perhaps, we will have to win them over, promise them the descision within say 5 years, and then doing all we can to win them over to our side somehow. I think the people in Azad Kashmir may vote for staying with Pakistan, we have to try and get them to convince those on the Indian side of this aswell. ANother option is to just segregate the whole state along religious lines, this may allow us to make the independance lobby smaller and allow the whole state to cede to Pakistan.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by RealDeal:
                        The Winds blow westward, towards India, not Pak.

                        India could score an 'own goal' by nuking Pak, not the other way around.

                        I am sick of these Hindoos blackmailing us, I agree lets blow them to hell!!
                        idiot..
                        westwards would be towards the west.. guess what is west of India.. Pakistan..

                        need to give you some geography lessons..

                        in addition to some atmospheric science lectures..

                        ever heard of the monsoons??????

                        The winds in the subcontinent flow westwards some part of the year and eastwards

                        go read up.. increase yer knowledge.. then we can discuss the nuclear cloud will be coming pakistan's way is it striked india...

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                          #13
                          The Winds move towards the east to India, happy now?

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                            #14
                            Also, being human beings, we Pakistanis also commit some mistakes. On the contrary, the Indians are all angels (we know that).

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                              #15
                              DAMN! That's what happens when you keep on eye on the PC screen and one on the TV!!

                              Anyways I obviously meant to say EASTWARDS,

                              Maybe next time when I have more time, I'll try to find the report where I read about this.

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