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    Musharraf to guarantee fuel for the Indian war machine

    After signing an agreement with Turkmenistan and Afghanistan for a gas pipeline from Daulatabad to Gwadar port, General Musharraf was asked about supplying gas to India, via a second pipe-line from Iran. Musharraf replied, "We have given our commitment to Iran and India in this regard. It is also in our economic interest. This offer and commitment remains unchanged despite tension." Musharraf began the week a national television address where he talked of mobilising all of Pakistan’s resources to give a moo-tawr jawab (jaw-breaking answer) to Indian aggression. However, before the week was over he re-affirmed his commitment to mobilising the gas resources of Muslims to solve India’s dire energy crisis.

    The Hindu State is devoid of significant energy resources like oil and gas. Hindu economic strategists are therefore desperate to get gas from the Muslims of Iran and Central Asian Republics. The supply of gas to India will only result in boosting of the industrial and military power of the Hindu State and thereby increase the Hindus’ ability for further hostile actions against Muslims. Musharraf’s commitment to provide gas to the Hindu aggressors is a threat to the security of Muslims of Pakistan, Kashmir and India itself. No amount of royalties from the pipeline can ever pay for Muslim blood.

    If the Muslim rulers were sincere to the Muslims the very least they could do is cut the supply of oil and gas to the enemies of the Ummah. The leadership within the Khilafah State will be sincere to Islam and will spare no effort in using the resources of the Ummah for the benefit of the Ummah and the deen.

    #2
    Originally posted by The Godfather:
    Musharraf to guarantee fuel for the Indian war machine

    The leadership within the Khilafah State will be sincere to Islam and will spare no effort in using the resources of the Ummah for the benefit of the Ummah and the deen.
    Godfather, u could have shortened ur post by just pasting the above... LOL

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      #3
      You fundo's need to gove it a rest!

      We have seen what happens to countries and to people when the fundos are in charge!

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        #4
        Real deal

        stick to the topic "musharraff gives fuel to india" insulting muslims calling them names like fundos and terrorists does'nt achive nothing and is really bringing the discussion down to the caveman level.

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          #5
          It is the fundos you support, like Taleban, and Al-Qaeda who reduce people in society to a 'caveman' like existence!

          For you to suggest Mush is actually helping Indian forces is just ridiculous!!! and clearly shows your thinking!

          [This message has been edited by RealDeal (edited June 02, 2002).]

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            #6
            Originally posted by The Godfather:
            [b]Musharraf to guarantee fuel for the Indian war machine



            The Hindu State is devoid of significant energy resources like oil and gas. Hindu economic strategists are therefore desperate to get gas from the Muslims of Iran and Central Asian Republics. The supply of gas to India will only result in boosting of the industrial and military power of the Hindu State and thereby increase the Hindus’ ability for further hostile actions against Muslims.[B]
            I am tired of so-called Pakistani Muslim Khair-khwa like the esteemed creator of the thread. Ok, lets talk issues:

            - You talk about Hindu India vs. Muslim Pakistan, but why aren't the CARs or Irans blamed for this matter? After all, they are the ones initially supplying the energy.

            - You single out Pres. Musharraff but what about the so-called leader of the 'Islamic' Republic of Iran, Khatami or the Nizaryovs, Karimovs of the CARs? Your hidden agenda of vilifying Pakistan is thus exposed.

            Finally, you want to preach, go preach to the Iranians, the Tajiks, the Turkmens before coming to Pakistanis. You know that they wouldn't give your statements the light of day. Don't shoot the messenger.


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            The eyelids of a Rajputs eyes are lowered only in death.

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              #7
              Real deal

              you do not know me firstly i don;t support taliban for your information i don;t know of al qaida except from CNN and ABC news i never heard of al qaida before this in fact i begin to doubt they even exist except in the pentagons propoganda department i have'nt met any muslims that knows about them.

              Second point i support islam and the islamic system from allah(swt) which is an ideological system which is challenge to mankind to refute.

              Third point if you have something to offer better than the islamic system i give intellectual challenge to you to bring it and we can discuss.

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                #8
                islamic system will not work in this day and age. Too many corrupt and extreme Mullahs who would twist it into more of an opressive system than a true just one. Examples are plentiful.

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                  #9
                  Real deal

                  Ok i will get opportunity to proove the islamic system and how it deals with corruption.

                  But my challenge was what you have to offer or what system you belive or have faith in.

                  also i forgot to provide a link
                  http://www.dawn.com/2002/05/31/top11.htm

                  This is news realted to pakistan will provide gas to india signed by mushy himself.

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                    #10
                    I got to go Saif, i'll answer you tomorrow.

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                      #11
                      The gas pipeline was going to be built anyway. It was either going to go under the sea,from Iran to India, or overland, via Pakistan.

                      Musharraf made the correct decision. If he refused to let the pipeline be built, it would go underwater, and so in war India would not have to fear its gas supply being cut. By persuading Iran to lay the pipeline across Pakistan, Musharraf has made India ware that if it attacks Pakistan it will be cut off from gas.

                      Besides which, the gas will not power the Indian war machine. No Indian military equipment runs on natural gas such as that which the pipeline will carry.

                      Muslims are so good at dividing that they can divide the atom. If you see two Muslims, probably they belong to 3 parties.
                      Al-Ghazali

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by mAd_ScIeNtIsT:
                        The gas pipeline was going to be built anyway. It was either going to go under the sea,from Iran to India,
                        The idea of under water pipeline was rejected 10 years ago and its rejected today..
                        http://www.dawn.com/2002/05/20/top16.htm
                        Pipeline politics intensifies

                        By Khaleeq Kiani

                        ISLAMABAD, May 19: A high-level delegation of Russian energy firm Gazprom arrives here on May 22 to sign a "protocol" for laying of $3.2 billion trans-Pakistan gas pipeline from Iran to India.

                        Diplomatic sources told Dawn that a four-member team of the largest Russian energy firm would hold comprehensive discussions with Pakistani petroleum and foreign ministers and senior officials on political as well as economic and technical aspects of the pipeline during its stay from May 22 to 25 in Pakistan.

                        The delegation, led by S.V. Balachov, the advisor to chairman Gazprom board of directors, would comprise senior executives A.S. Shamuzov, V.L. Gulev and v.S. Komarov. The Russian deputy energy minister, who was originally scheduled to lead the Gazprom delegation, would not be coming now, a senior government official confirmed.

                        The Russian team would also discuss with petroleum ministry officials various issues relating to Pakistani gas industry and conduct a presentation on "Iran-Pakistan-India" pipeline. The Russian firm has already discussed these issues with Indian authorities around two months back and with Iranian officials last month.

                        This intensifies petroleum pipeline politics in the region with a series of hectic diplomatic lobbying from Central to South Asia and Persia involving big powers like the United States and Russia.

                        A tripartite summit meeting of Pakistan, Afghanistan and Turkmenistan has already been confirmed for May 29-30 in Islamabad to sign an agreement on a competing trans-Afghanistan gas pipeline from Turkmenistan to Pakistan and possibly onward to India.

                        Gazprom that was asked by Indian government to look into the possibility of under-water pipeline from Iran to India in October last has finally concluded that this option was not feasible and faced technical, political and economic risks.

                        The protocol to be signed between Gazprom and Pakistan would empower the Russian firm to submit a feasibility report on Iran- Pakistan-India pipeline besides paving way for cooperation between Pakistani firms and Gazprom to take part in rebuilding process of power infrastructure in Afghanistan.

                        This is for the first time since 1960's that a Gazprom delegation is coming to Pakistan. In October last, a Gazprom delegation led by its president was not allowed to reach Pakistan from India.

                        Iran has also been able to secure support from British Royal/Dutch Shell, British Gas and Malaysian Petronas in the Trans-Pakistan gas pipeline. Gas de France and Petronas are separately taking up long-term development of Iranian gas reserves.

                        The project represents a challenge to the US interests because the Iranian Southern Pars gasfield in the Persian Gulf is the site of $2 billion development project with Total of France. Russian Gazprom and Malaysian Petronas, all have anti-US sentiments.

                        Pakistan and Iran have already signed a memorandum of understanding in February this year to pursue the onshore pipeline project from South Pars gasfield in Iran to energy-hungry India.

                        According to non-papers exchanged between Iran and Pakistan, the 2,672-km gas pipeline would ensure $8 billion to Pakistan as transit fee. Total income to Pakistan through this project was estimated at $14 billion over a period of 30 years, including $8 billion as transit fee, $1 billion as taxes and $5 billion as saving (through reduction in fuel oil substitution).

                        Dawn has gathered from various energy firms that a deep-sea pipeline through Arabian sea was not possible at any cost. There are only four off-shore pipelines and that too of 20-inch dia in Europe and North Sea and ranged between 600 and 1,800 meters in depth.

                        India needed offshore pipeline of no less than 48 inches in diameters. There are only two ships in the world, in Italy and Holland, capable of laying sea pipelines and their capacity is only for laying 20-inch diameter pipelines.

                        If a larger pipeline is to be laid a new ship would have to be built. There is no ship currently in the world market to lay a 48-inch or larger diameter pipelines. And if this pipeline is to be outside of Pakistan's territorial waters, its depth will be up to 4,000 meters and such pipelines have also not been designed so far. The Arabian sea also has enough volcanic characteristics to disturb the deep-sea pipeline.


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                          #13
                          Interesting... so why is Musharraf goin ahead with the pipeline? Iranian pressure?
                          Muslims are so good at dividing that they can divide the atom. If you see two Muslims, probably they belong to 3 parties.
                          Al-Ghazali

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by mAd_ScIeNtIsT:
                            Interesting... so why is Musharraf goin ahead with the pipeline? Iranian pressure?
                            Money talks.. Beside Pak has only to gain with the finger on the cut off switch.


                            [This message has been edited by Abdali (edited June 03, 2002).]

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                              #15
                              Well according to the agreement.. India will not bear any cost damage etc.. It is upto iran to make sure that gas reaches India.. So i dont think india will face mcuh problem even if we threaten to cut of gas suply...

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