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    INDIA is not US.......(Don't Forget India)

    http://www.tehelka.com/channels/curr...52202india.htm
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    India is not the US.And Pakistan is not Afghanistan. Vajpayee's confession that India has to fight its lonely battle is a clear indication that somewhere down the line, India's policy
    has not worked,
    says Parsa Venkateshwar Rao Jr

    New Delhi, May 22

    India is alone in the international arena. And it was Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee who admitted that it was so. Speaking to soldiers at Kupwara in Jammu and Kashmir on Wednesday morning, Vajpayee said that though the international community supported India's case on the question of Pakistan-abetted terrorism, it was not willing to do so openly. And Vajpayee drew the conclusion: India has to go it alone, and fight its own battle.

    Soon after September 11, Vajpayee had regretted that the United States did not recognise India's concerns about terrorism, especially the role played by Pakistan in abetting terrorism in the country. But it was not a public statement, but he related his disappointment with the US in an interview to The Times of India in October last year.

    But the Indian political and diplomatic establishment was euphoric that the September 11 terrorist attacks had only strengthened India's constant campaign about the challenge of terrorism. Minister for External Affairs Jaswant Singh had quipped that India had not joined the global alliance against terrorism, but that the world has joined India in the war against terrorism.

    Meanwhile, Pakistan, which was one of the three countries which had diplomatic relations with the Taliban regime in Afghanistan, did a turn around, and joined the US in the battle against the Taliban and Al Qaeda. And India was left out.

    Though the US had taken a tough stand against terrorism, it has not for once condemned Pakistan for its abetment of Muslim militants in Jammu and Kashmir. Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf, while condemning terrorism, took care to maintain the orthodox Pakistan line that the terrorists in Jammu and Kashmir were freedom fighters.

    But India did not protest loudly enough against American double standards. It seemed as though Washington could be convinced. And the American officials showed all sympathy and understanding for the Indian point of view, but they did not do anything substantial to pressurise Pakistan to rein in the terrorists.

    Somewhere, the Indian policymakers did not play the cards well enough. The Indian establishment assumed that after September 11, the Indian case against Pakistan-sponsored terrorism was strengthened, and that any action that India would take against Pakistan would get the backing of the international community.

    Vajpayee's confession at Kupwara on Wednesday morning is a clear indication that the strategy has not worked fully well, and that India has to fight its lonely battle.

    The ramifications are clear. Once hostilities break out between the two countries, the US and the rest of the world will treat India and Pakistan as belligerents, and would not recognise the fact that India was forced into the war.

    Vajpayee and other BJP leaders seem to believe that they could do what Indira Gandhi did in 1971. Then too, the US was hostile though the Indian case was quite clear. Then too the world sympathised with India, but would not do anything against the military regime of General Yahya Khan. The situation is not too different 30 years later. Another military dictator rules the roost in Islamabad, and the Western powers are only too willing to do business with him.

    Unlike in 1971, however, India this time round does not have a clear-cut case against Pakistan. Of three major terrorist attacks that have taken place after September 11 - the October 1 attack on the Jammu and Kashmir Assembly in Srinagar, the December 13 attack on Parliament in New Delhi, and the May 14 attack at Kaluchak - none of them could be directly linked to Pakistan. In 1971, there was the irrefutable proof in the form of millions of refugees pouring into India from the then East Pakistan. India then had the moral case to take military action.

    It has been argued that if the US could attack Afghanistan though it had no clinching evidence to link the Taliban and the Al Qaeda to the September11 terrorist attacks, why cannot India attack Pakistan when it is quite clear that Islamabad did support the terrorists fighting against the Indian government.

    But many realists had reminded that India was not the US, and that Pakistan was not Afghanistan. It is this basic fact that Indian leaders refused to take into account. And Vajpayee seems to have at last recognised this basic fact.


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    GOD BLESS PAKISTAN.

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    #2
    Originally posted by TARIQ786USA:
    http://www.tehelka.com/channels/curr...52202india.htm
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    India is not the US.And Pakistan is not Afghanistan. Vajpayee's confession that India has to fight its lonely battle is a clear indication that somewhere down the line, India's policy
    has not worked,
    says Parsa Venkateshwar Rao Jr

    The problem with India is when it looks in the mirror this is what it sees:- http://24.226.113.221/khushfehmi.jpg
    As long as such mentality exists there will be problems with all its neighbours.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Abdali:
      The problem with India is when it looks in the mirror this is what it sees:- http://24.226.113.221/khushfehmi.jpg
      As long as such mentality exists there will be problems with all its neighbours.
      lol @ pic
      I think artist gave grace marks to India being a long time neighbor warna billi k bajeyee choha (rat) banata

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        #4
        Yeah abdali i fully agree with You...nice pic

        It is time for India to realize that by acting like a big bully brother to its neighbours it is going to achieve nothing but more isolation..even if the other world commucnity backs it...or maybe India wants to be isolated who knows

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          #5
          looks like the bravado engines are churning in turbo. Musaraf said this, Musharaf said that...Fact is you've got every country in the world calling for Pakistan to stop their terrorism or else. You've got jets on the ready in airports within Pakistan with AMERICAN pilots ready to take out the nukes at a moments notice. You've got the Chinese turning the 800 number off (now that was a shock to general also. And you've got half the Pakistani army on guard duty watching the general's back. The other half ofcourse is waiting for the word from the chief mullah. The sad part though is this: This is actually a better case scenario than normal people politics in Pakistan! This is what your forefathers fought the Brits for?

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            #6
            india can stop inflitration .india can recruit and flood
            kashmir with 3 miilion armed support personnel for indian army in a food for
            work program. there are so many innovative ideas that can be used stop inflitration.
            there is so much unemployment and food is rotting in godowns.

            [This message has been edited by rvikz (edited May 27, 2002).]

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              #7
              Originally posted by ArjunMahavir:
              looks like the bravado engines are churning in turbo. Musaraf said this, Musharaf said that...Fact is you've got every country in the world calling for Pakistan to stop their terrorism or else. You've got jets on the ready in airports within Pakistan with AMERICAN pilots ready to take out the nukes at a moments notice. You've got the Chinese turning the 800 number off (now that was a shock to general also. And you've got half the Pakistani army on guard duty watching the general's back. The other half ofcourse is waiting for the word from the chief mullah. The sad part though is this: This is actually a better case scenario than normal people politics in Pakistan! This is what your forefathers fought the Brits for?

              Were a peace loving nation, there would be no problems if India left Kashmir, and stopped threatening to go to war...

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                #8
                http://167.216.192.98/faceoff/lead270502c.shtml

                From Hindustan Times, talking about the possibility of war:


                In the course of the war, if India gets a decisive edge, due to numerical superiority in tanks and combat aircraft, or other intangible factors, Pakistan will have nuclear option to use either on advancing army columns or on a prime city.They would not allow incursions beyond a limit set by them. They would not allow the outcome of war to slip from their hands.

                It is certain, then, that the nuclear option is a possibility once a war starts. It will not end in cross-border terrorism. It will threaten the survival of India and Pakistan. It will ensure mutual destruction of each other.

                This scenario is a possibility if irresponsible politicians are allowed to carry on the war rhetoric for electoral gain or to divert attention from Gujarat. It is not in national interest. India has lost the opportunity of quick surgical operation. The delay of one month by the combined forces before they launched an attack on the Taliban is quoted as an example.We are dealing with a formidable opponent who will retaliate well. It is not USA versus Afghanistan. Surprise is an important determinant when opposing forces are formidable.

                India, in the present circumstances, has no option left but to put diplomatic pressure on Pakistan to stop cross-border terrorism and start a political process in Kashmir, which has waited for long. We need more voices like that of Abdul Gani Lone, who do not talk of gun and oppose foreign militants. Pakistan needs a diplomatic escape route for dismantling terrorist camps.India needs a diplomatic escape route for de-escalation, which it cannot afford for long.




                [This message has been edited by RealDeal (edited May 30, 2002).]

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by ArjunMahavir:
                  looks like the bravado engines are churning in turbo. Musaraf said this, Musharaf said that...Fact is you've got every country in the world calling for Pakistan to stop their terrorism or else. You've got jets on the ready in airports within Pakistan with AMERICAN pilots ready to take out the nukes at a moments notice. You've got the Chinese turning the 800 number off (now that was a shock to general also. And you've got half the Pakistani army on guard duty watching the general's back. The other half ofcourse is waiting for the word from the chief mullah. The sad part though is this: This is actually a better case scenario than normal people politics in Pakistan! This is what your forefathers fought the Brits for?

                  I was wondering when you would finally burst into rhetoric, after your earlier soft tones. Now you will say that 'I am ashamed'.

                  Anyway, if all countries are calling to Pakistan to stop terrorism, they why aren't the USAF pilots taking off and bombing them. Rest assured, our nukes are safe. Pakistan has been accused of being dependency on nukes, but war-mongering by you and India make them a necessity for Pakistan.

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                    #10
                    also india should not wait until pakistan
                    adds more nukes to its arsenal . once it
                    reaches certain cpacity it will be threat to
                    everbody . so it is not only in the interst of india also wider
                    world. everbody by now know what kind of nation the world is facing.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by rvikz:
                      also india should not wait until pakistan
                      adds more nukes to its arsenal . once it
                      reaches certain cpacity it will be threat to
                      everbody . so it is not only in the interst of india also wider
                      world. everbody by now know what kind of nation the world is facing.

                      I agree, India should not wait a moment longer, but the army of monkeys (Bajrang Dal) sitting in office in New dehli seems to be having second thoughts. Maybe finally it's starting to dawn on them that this isn't some bollywood movie with a nice happy ending.

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                        #12
                        Each time I here this crazy theory about the US going after Pak nukes, I !

                        The hindoos seem to forget that the US needs Pak now, not to mention the precedent it would set next time they need another countries help!

                        Arjun- I hate to break the news to you, but no one in Princeton or anywhere outside top levels of the US govt knows top secret US plans! and I gurantee you they wouldn't make their way to your ears!

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                          #13
                          rvikz answer this... u want india to attack pakistan or not? Dont give me some tongue-in-cheek answer, just yes or no...

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                            #14
                            no but you are driving us up the wall.
                            why we need war when we have the great potential.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by rvikz:
                              no but you are driving us up the wall.
                              why we need war when we have the great potential.
                              Ask your Hinduvata govt that.

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