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    Musharrafs speech and Indias reaction

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/kashmir/St...723639,00.html

    Musharraf's speech 'dangerous', says India

    Sraff and agencies
    Tuesday May 28, 2002

    The Indian government today described the hard-hitting television address made by Pakistan's president, General Pervez Musharraf, as "disappointing and dangerous" and warned that it had only increased tensions over Kashmir.
    Jaswant Singh, India's external affairs minister, said India would stick by its policy of not being the first to use nuclear weapons in the dispute but warned that it "cannot continue to be penalised for its patience".

    Analysts said there was widespread anger in New Delhi over Gen Musharraf's speech yesterday, in which he warned that Pakistan's people would "shed the last drop of their blood" to defend their country against "the enemy" - India.

    Mr Singh said Gen Musharraf's address was "disappointing as it merely repeats some earlier reassurances that remain unfulfilled today. Dangerous because of deliberate posturing - tensions have been added, not reduced."

    But Mr Singh's response did not contain any new diplomatic reprisals against India's nuclear neighbours. He instead insisted that the onus was on Gen Musharraf to rein in Pakistan-based Islamic extremists, whom India blames for a series of terrorist attacks in India and in the disputed province of Kashmir.

    He called on Gen Musharraf to shut down the Pakistan-based militant training camps in Pakistan Kashmir. "The current war against terrorism will not be won decisively until their base camps inside Pakistan are closed permanently," he said.

    India's defence minister, George Fernandes, also said today that members of Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida group and Taliban fighters from Afghanistan are just across the border in Pakistan-controlled Kashmir, a claim denied by a Pakistani army spokesman.

    The escalating tension between the two nuclear neighbours was stoked further by Pakistan concluding a four-day missile testing programme on the day the foreign secretary, Jack Straw, arrived for diplomatic talks with Gen Musharraf.

    Mr Straw, who is today meeting Gen Musharraf and Pakistan's foreign minister, Abdul Sattar, last night warned that "there are clear limits to external diplomacy".

    "I am under no illusions about what I may or may not be able to do," he said.



    #2
    Quote from the Article:
    ...Mr Singh's response did not contain any new diplomatic reprisals against India's nuclear neighbours...

    Maybe he has now got the hint that Indian empty rhetorics will not work. For once, the Indians may have to take the blame for what is going on in Kashmir, especially now that the world is asking questions like what are the 700,000+ Indian soldiers doing in Kashmir?

    Well done India for internationalising the Kashmir issue, and making it a nuclear hotspot because of their bullying tactics.

    It is time India realises that Pakistan is no Palestine and India no Israel.

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      #3
      Originally posted by 2bornot2b:

      Maybe he has now got the hint that Indian empty rhetorics will not work. For once, the Indians may have to take the blame for what is going on in Kashmir, especially now that the world is asking questions like what are the 700,000+ Indian soldiers doing in Kashmir?

      Well done India for internationalising the Kashmir issue, and making it a nuclear hotspot because of their bullying tactics.

      It is time India realises that Pakistan is no Palestine and India no Israel.

      The question is now what Indians gona do, They tried ranting and raving in front of US mommy for last 6 months.

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        #4
        Originally posted by 2bornot2b:

        Well done India for internationalising the Kashmir issue, and making it a nuclear hotspot because of their bullying tactics.
        How many more times you want Kashmir to be Internationalised ?

        It is time India realises that Pakistan is no Palestine and India no Israel.
        Someone is having Identity crisis here, sometime,you compare yourself with TALIBAN, The other day your Gen did with Iraq and now Palestine. Hehehehe.



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        AK

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          #5
          he he he your self....war tax payers...your army doesen't have enough money to return to barracks and now you have to justify its staying deployed...ooohhh wheee I can't wait to see the indian budget this time around....wonder how many more bhookaas it will create?? Remember Kargil? Remember your "vijay"? it cost about 32 Rs./Roti and I think it is 30 to 50,000 per shell for your Bofors from Helpful South Africa. And of course a LOT of stinking dead indians in the end.

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            #6
            well i read some british report which says that India can sustain a military buildup since it will cost Indians peanuts when compared to their GDP .. but it seems we cannot sustain it with our current ecnomic situation... Well we need some one better than musharaf to bring our economics back to health..

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              #7
              Originally posted by 2bornot2b:
              Well done India for internationalising the Kashmir issue, and making it a nuclear hotspot because of their bullying tactics.
              Absolutely correct. Russia sent their envoy to the region to offer mediation between both sides. Pakistan has accepted, and India has refused. Now Japan is sending their Vice Foreign Minister Seiken Sugiura to Pakistan and India to offer a mediating role. Will India refuse them as well? NATO has just released a statement urging both sides to a Kashmir solution.

              All the time the world's media deleve further and further into the causes of the Kashmir dispute, and more and more reports are coming out about India's barabric rule in occupied Kashmir. India has done a fine, fine job of internationalising the Kashmir dispute, and exposing its military occupation there.

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                #8
                Indian verdict:- http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/wor...00/2012397.stm

                General Musharraf delivered a hard-hitting speech that... essentially dared the Indian government to go to war....

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                  #9
                  Nothing is going to happen (to Abdali's dismay) This is a good tactic of outmaneuvering pakistan by India in the diplomatic circles.


                  Each mobilization and increased state of Alert costs Pakistan so much more in capital as it relates to its GDP. It's a good strategy, Pakistani coffers keep getting empty and then they are out begging for some more.

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                    #10
                    1) 20 Indian terrorist (a success)
                    2) Halt to muj attacks (a success)
                    3) Indus water treaty (a success)
                    4) Now Chaltahais pearls of wisdom (a success too)

                    hehe I will grab a drink and some popcorn sit back and enjoy the show..


                    [This message has been edited by Abdali (edited May 28, 2002).]

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                      #11
                      As long as we are speaking of successes.

                      1) Poverty and literacy rates on an upward trend (success)
                      2) Kashmir issue unresolved (success)
                      3) Jihadism on the rise (Success)
                      4) Mushy making more uturns on foreign policy than a Paki cabdriver in a cul-de-sac (success)
                      5)Economy continues to be n shambles (success)
                      6) being used like a condom by the US (Success)
                      7) becoming the IMF south asian b"tch (success)


                      With all this hubbub what exactly has Pakistan achieved in the last 2 yrs. NADA!

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                        #12
                        1. Isolation of Pakistan (a success)

                        2. World calling Muj as "Cross Border Terrorists" (a success)

                        3. Despearate Pak "testing" Chinese/Korean pre tested missiles ( a success)

                        4. Pak Editorials screaming retreat ( a success).

                        Let me take a step back and enjoy Pak's spin doctors turn this into a "Shandaar Jeet"

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                          #13
                          Chalthai has really bought another vijay for India, just like that.

                          Here it is one more time key Indian demands.

                          1) 20 Indian terrorist (a success)
                          2) Halt cross border shafting (s success)

                          P.S: Guppies can draw their own conclusions and substitute success with SUCK-cess..

                          I will just get some more popcorn.


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                            #14
                            Vajo chickens out at Indus water treaty, another SUCK-cess
                            http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/may/28war18.htm

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                              #15
                              Abdali,

                              Hanging out too much at Pak def has made you hallucinate

                              Read this:

                              Jack Straw says Pakistan must end terror

                              He said all U.N. member states, including Pakistan, had the responsibility to bear down "effectively and consistently on all forms of terrorism, including cross-border terrorism".

                              "There isn't any doubt that Pakistan has in the past assisted what they would describe as freedom fighters, the rest of the world describes as terrorists or activists, across the Line of Control," he told a news conference in the Pakistani capital.

                              Straw said he was concerned about the "human rights situation" in Indian-ruled Kashmir, but said that would only improve when terrorism ended, adding the world did not see any distinction between freedom fighters and terrorists.

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