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    Zulfikar Ali Bhutto and the Balochistan rebellion...

    Baluch nationalists, inflamed by the continued economic deprivation of the region and the revocation of traditional autonomy, rebelled against central control in 1973, when the Bhutto government dismissed the Baluchistan provincial government. (The government, which had just ceased an illegal cache of weapons, claimed the provincial government encouraged violence and opposed modernization.) The uprising was not suppressed until 1977, when the Bhutto government was removed.

    Bhutto's successor, General Zia ul-Haq released as many as 11,000 Baluchi leaders and activists from jails and declared an amnesty for guerrillas who had fled to Iran or Afghanistan. During the imposition of martial law in Pakistan (1977-1985), Zia's government actively sought to promote economic and social programs in Baluchistan. But despite some limited efforts by the Pakistani government, Baluchistan still remains the most economically disadvantaged province. Further, Baluchis are underrepresented in the bureaucracy, armed forces, and government at both the provincial and national level.



    http://www.bsos.umd.edu/cidcm/mar/pakbalu.htm

    How many lives were lost in Zulfikar Bhutto's quest for total domination of the minority provinces, particularly Balochistan but also NWFP later?


    #2
    There is a huge problem in Baluchistan with the feudal system more so then even Sind.... I remmember back in 86 NLC was going to build a road and it had to go through Mengal's land they didn't allow it......I don;t know if they have managed to convince them yet...... as well in the oil sector these guyz want upwards of 25% of all profits.... So even if central gov't tries these especially the Mengal family don't let it happen

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      #3
      Originally posted by Malik73:
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      How many lives were lost in Zulfikar Bhutto's quest for total domination of the minority provinces, particularly Balochistan but also NWFP later?

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      Thats very much true!
      But even now, the Baloch Sardars are queing up behing people whom they have cursed and spread poison against all their lives, namely the people belonging to a populous fedarating unit!
      So why is it so that even now when the developmental activities in Balochistan are activated, its one or the other Sardar who goes into overdrive and kidnappings, threats of not letting the work commence etc... go on and in the end they instigate the people against a fedarating unit as usurping their rights,rather than look at their own role in ensuring the backwardness of the province and the longevity of their Sardar system!


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        #4
        Originally posted by Rbee:
        Thats very much true!
        So you are in agreement that Zulfikar Bhutto wanted to totally dominate the minority provinces i.e. Balochistan and NWFP, because they had non-PPP governments?

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          #5
          Give it up Malik. The guy is dead, it doesn't matter anymore.

          Concentrate on the present and not the past.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Malik73:
            So you are in agreement that Zulfikar Bhutto wanted to totally dominate the minority provinces i.e. Balochistan and NWFP, because they had non-PPP governments?

            Yes and I also agree with RealDeal

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              #7
              Originally posted by Rbee:
              Yes and I also agree with RealDeal
              Yes bury your head in the sand and refuse to face up to the truth. Next time you and others play the Punjab card, one should remind you of what your beloved ZAB did to Balochistan and NWFP.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Malik73:
                Yes bury your head in the sand and refuse to face up to the truth. Next time you and others play the Punjab card, one should remind you of what your beloved ZAB did to Balochistan and NWFP.

                .. whose playing what card.. Bhutto was most popular in Punjab and Punjab was his strength base.. Punjabis have never considered him Sindhi ..ironically there r many I have seen here living in Karachi and dont call themselves Sindhis ..shame !

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Degas:

                  .. whose playing what card.. Bhutto was most popular in Punjab and Punjab was his strength base.. Punjabis have never considered him Sindhi ..
                  No I am trying to expose this Punjab/Punjabi's are to blame for everything card. Why is it that a non-Punjabi ruler like ZAB is not blamed for the ills of the minority provinces like Balochistan and NWFP? What kind of democrat was he that he dismissed the non-PPP governments of these two provinces? And what kind of leader was he that he ordered the bloody operation against Balochi opposition to him, and the repression of NWFP parties like NAP?

                  ironically there r many I have seen here living in Karachi and dont call themselves Sindhis ..shame !
                  Why should they? Not everyone in Punjab calls themselves Punjabi, or everyone in NWFP calls themselves Pashtun and everyone in Balochistan calls themselves Balochi. But they call themsleves PAKISTANI, something you seem to disagree with.




                  [This message has been edited by Malik73 (edited May 12, 2002).]

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                    #10
                    Yadda yadda yadda, lets talk about the present etc. One must learn and accept the past to move forward in the present or something like that. How can you move in the present and figure out the problems of the present country, without looking at their root causes? In a majority of the provinces there is a absolute hatred for the Federal government and esp. for the military which seems to be the controling body in the eyes of these people.

                    This is seen in Sindh and Balochistan and the FATA area. But who is to blame for that? In many cases different people. In the case of Balochistan the faults lies at Bhuttos feet. He dismissed provincial govts, which he doesn't have the right to do. He forcefully quelled a rebellion, without seeking other alternatives.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Malik73:
                      Originally posted by Degas:

                      Why should they? Not everyone in Punjab calls themselves Punjabi, or everyone in NWFP calls themselves Pashtun and everyone in Balochistan calls themselves Balochi. But they call themsleves PAKISTANI, something you seem to disagree with.
                      [This message has been edited by Malik73 (edited May 12, 2002).]
                      .. they should as they live in a province called Sindh! There was nothing in the making of Pakistan the people will migrate.. but as a large influx of people landed in Sindh the resources were affected.. they should had integted more in the new land they arrived.. instead of trying to gather at one place.. these migrants came from more prosperous and educated parts of India that left the local Sindhis in a disadvantage position..

                      For ur info all in Punjab are called Punjabi and try to speak thta language and adopdt the local culture.. take Nawaz Sharif.. hes a Kashmiri but now Punjabi as well as all hundreds of diiferent types of peopleame .. but all who came after migration in 1947 amalgated since most of them had roots in soil rather than brick and mortar..

                      As far as Pushtuns are concerned its a race if u dont know..


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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Degas:


                        .. they should as they live in a province called Sindh!
                        No. The only think anyone in Pakistan should be asked to call themselves wherever they live is PAKISTANI. The rest is upto them, and if they choose not then that is not a shameful thing like you are making it out to be.

                        There was nothing in the making of Pakistan the people will migrate..
                        Wrong. Our founder decreed that we should not view ourselves as Punjabi's, Sindhi's, Pashtun, Balochi etc but as PAKISTANI. All Pakistani's had the right to live wherever they wanted, and there were no bars whatsoever on internal migration. But this topic is about Zulfikar Ali Bhutto and the Balochistan rebellion..., not about you harping on about how everyone has done down Sindh, especially Mohajirs and Punjabi's. Yet conveniantely missing out the MAJOR role played by the feudalisitic WADERA's of Sindh.

                        So why is it that a non-Punjabi ruler like ZAB is not blamed for the ills of the minority provinces like Balochistan and NWFP? What kind of democrat was he that he dismissed the non-PPP governments of these two provinces? And what kind of leader was he that he ordered the bloody operation against Balochi opposition to him, and the repression of NWFP parties like NAP?


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                          #13
                          Originally posted by CM:
                          Yadda yadda yadda, lets talk about the present etc. One must learn and accept the past to move forward in the present or something like that. How can you move in the present and figure out the problems of the present country, without looking at their root causes? In a majority of the provinces there is a absolute hatred for the Federal government and esp. for the military which seems to be the controling body in the eyes of these people.

                          This is seen in Sindh and Balochistan and the FATA area. But who is to blame for that? In many cases different people. In the case of Balochistan the faults lies at Bhuttos feet. He dismissed provincial govts, which he doesn't have the right to do. He forcefully quelled a rebellion, without seeking other alternatives.

                          .. so whos eto be blamed in Sindh ? so 1983 strike something.. Bhutto did great job in disrupting that rebellion.. and he would had done same for ur "queen mom " national Altaf bhai ..

                          Saints are fine for Heaven, but they are hell on earth.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Degas:
                            Bhutto did great job in disrupting that rebellion..

                            You are proud of the fact that he ordered the killings of thousands of Balochi's because they dared to elect a non-PPP government? Are you also proud of what he did to the non-PPP parties in NWFP like NAP because they managed to get the majority votes in that province, and not the PPP? You are so proud that a man who once so easily dismissed East Pakistani's with his statement "Idhar Hum Udhar Tum", then turned his fire (literally) on the minority provinces of Balochistan and NWFP. So much damage to provincial rights and inter-provincial harmony, and yet people like you still only blame others?

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Malik73:
                              Yes bury your head in the sand and refuse to face up to the truth. Next time you and others play the Punjab card, one should remind you of what your beloved ZAB did to Balochistan and NWFP.

                              Its a pity that instead of what I wrote, you have this notorious obsession of going into overdrive and accusing others.
                              Where the heck did I even imply the Punjab card.What I wrote reflects nowhere to that . Is that a guilt complex inherent in the likes of you??
                              Its a pity, I thought that atleast you were more mature than that!

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