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    An Indian visits Pak and see what he says! an eyewitness account.

    There were plans to build a similar hiway between Karachi and Lahore and extend Lahore-Islamabad all the way to Peshwar.

    Here are some pictures of the motorway:- http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/Forum26/HTML/005451.html

    One step at a time
    http://www.india-today.com/webexclus...513/saran.html

    Lessons from the neighbourhood
    By INDIA TODAY Assistant Editor, Rohit Saran.

    Riding along the 6-lane Motorway from Lahore to Islamabad, it is difficult to believe that you are in a country that is supposed to be falling apart. Connecting Pakistan's capital with the nation's largest industrial city, the 357-kilometer highway -- called M2 -- is as good and as efficient as the expressways in the US and turnpikes in Europe.

    The average driving speed is 100 kilometers an hour and you stop only once in your journey -- to pay Rs 200 toll (170 Indian Rupees). Its 74 bridges ensure that there are no road crossings. A dividing wall, between up and down-stream traffic, rules out eventualities of head-on traffic, and barbed fencing all along the M2 prevents any sideways movement. But dare not turn into a speed freaks. Toyota-borne highway patrols keep an agile eye on over-speeding.

    The $1.16 billion (approximately 50,000 crore Indian Rupees) highway is Pakistan's testimony that a Third World country can build -- and maintain -- a First World infrastructure. India's Delhi-Agra highway, constructed after, doesn't come close to the Lahore-Islamabad Motorway, either in construction or in maintenance.

    India's "collapsing" neighbour is ahead in other infrastructure too. It has surplus power, runs more efficient telephone services and the cities of Islamabad and Lahore are better kept than most Indian metropolitan cities. Dial the local telephone enquiry in Islamabad and the response will be quick and accurate -- a rarity with Delhi's MTNL telephone enquiry. Lahore's street's are better-lit and road instructions are more accurate than one would find in any Indian city. The canal that surrounds Lahore and most of its suburbs is many times cleaner than the Yamuna in Delhi.

    Pakistanis enjoy better infrastructure because they pay a better price for it. A middle-class family spends anything between a third to a fourth of its monthly income on the three basic utilities of power, gas and telephone. Consequently, in 1999-2000 Pakistan spent just 0.4 per cent of its national income on subsidies, down from 1.1 per cent in 1990-91. During the same period, India's subsidy bill has hovered around 3.1 per cent of its national income.

    Interestingly -- and instructively for the Indian policy makers -- most of the subsidy cuts in Pakistan have happened in the past ten years when democratic governments were in power. A weaker democracy has produced bolder pricing reforms. One may argue that raising prices has been easier in Pakistan because poverty is not as acute there as it is in India. Pakistanis claim with pride that nobody dies of starvation in their country. While that is an exaggeration, the poorest of the poor in Pakistan are better off than the poorest of the poor in India -- partly because Muslim society does not have the kind of caste system Hindu society is ridden with.

    But lower poverty is not the only reason that made the task of subsidy cuts easier in Pakistan. Some of the critical lobbies in Pakistan are, somehow, not as unreasonable as they are in India. For instance, the agriculture lobby in Pakistan does not fight for low input prices (subsidised seeds, fertilisers, water). It fights for higher output (crop) prices. In India the farm lobby bleeds the government both ways, demanding -- and getting -- subsidised inputs as well as a remunerative price for output.

    But Pakistan's economic virtues begin and end with successful subsidy reduction and a relatively efficient infrastructure management. The country holds out many more lessons in economic mismanagement. Read all about them next week in 'Warnings from the neighbourhood'.



    [This message has been edited by Abdali (edited January 30, 2002).]

    #2
    abdali, Its good to see an Indian admitting Pakistan is more modern in some ways compared to Ancient India !

    BTW, congrats for getting over 4000 posts.

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      #3
      remember you can compare pakistan to india's punjab. india's population density is twice
      that of pakistan. if pakistan gives up costly
      confronation it can be prosperous.in human
      development index pakistan is in different catogory.

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        #4
        pakistan were able to tie down india in kashmir by small investment in miltants.
        it is costing india so this startegy will
        put pressure on pakistan's finnaces. it is like slow motion warfare without firing too much or provoking fullscale warfare. it is already taking toll on pakistan's miltary machine. i agree both are wasting lot of
        their resources. india want to do a soviet union on pakistan.

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          #5

          Dil Hai Pokistani tries to derail the discussion as usual with his gibberish.

          coming back to topic, firstly, with a 170 Rupees toll for just 350 Km, only the creamy layer of the Indian society would be able to afford such exhorbitance. Maybe pakistanis are rich.

          secondly, with India's population density, it's well-developed rail-route is a much more space and cost efficient way of transport. improved service in the railway sector taking advantage of its wide reach is probably a better option.
          Simple ain't easy.

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            #6
            For once, I thought this thread would be a good point of discussion on development and progress of the 2 countries.
            But again it has degenerated into just another mud-slinging match between Pakistanis and Indians.
            Mod, guess its about time to close this thread.

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              #7
              pakistan has more potential for development
              considering good lands and less population density and benefit of islam for social justice.all these advantges are used in confronation against india at the expense
              of its own people.

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                #8
                How old is this Article?
                Ofcourse I concede Pakistani highways are better.
                As queer pointed out, Indians don't pay that much for toll anyway.
                Abdali what do you want to proove by posting this article?

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                  #9
                  well all these things are cosmetic i read a article by rehan ansari where he says that the lahore islamabad highway was just made for joy ride for nawaz shariff there was no real planning
                  india is much more solid than pakistan economically but there is a bad leadership a good dynamic leadership can take india miles ahead

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by rvikz:
                    pakistan has more potential for development
                    considering good lands and less population density and benefit of islam for social justice.all these advantges are used in confronation against india at the expense
                    of its own people.
                    Pakistan is NOW on a One way ticket to economic and social development rvikz. No other leader could have done this to Pakistan. Mushraff has put the country on a new platform; a moderate state with freedom justice and equality for all. This is what Pakistan is and Should be about. As for India, its Right wing poilicies are very much linked to Hindu revivalism. Perhaps its time to VOTE in a moderate Indian Government with FRESH forward thinking policies, that would BRING peace and stability to the Region.

                    [This message has been edited by Dil he Pakistani (edited January 31, 2002).]

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                      #11
                      To some extent DHP has valid point.
                      We could feel changes .Pakistan is changing for good(with Musharraf) where as India has changed for Worst(With BJP and its Gang).

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by andha_qanoon:
                        Pakistan is changing for good(with Musharraf)

                        to give credit where is due, if highway is big deal, highway was built by nawaz sharif.

                        there is expressway project going on in india under which 4 metros will be conected. bombay-pune already have expressway, time is reduced by 2 hrs (out of 5 1/2 hrs) and u have to shell out some money.

                        but connecting these 4 metros will need at least 125000 crores. (lahore-islamabad distance is something like bombay-poona, nothing by indian standards)

                        in india there is more emphasis or railways. reasons are obvious.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by ZZ:

                          but connecting these 4 metros will need at least 125000 crores. (lahore-islamabad distance is something like bombay-poona, nothing by indian standards)

                          in india there is more emphasis or railways. reasons are obvious.
                          what is the quality and reliability of the Indian Railway system ?? Do you have a class system ie 1st, 2nd and 3rd class tickets (sitting on roof). Also do steam trains still run on some of the lines. How modern is the railway stock. I dont know about india but Pakistans railways system needs modernisation.

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                            #14
                            Some info. on Pak railway:- http://pakrail.com/

                            I remember Pak is the only country where a steam engine was stolen, molten and sold and no one was caught.

                            DHP this is corruption of the highest order and this calls for your investigation.


                            [This message has been edited by Abdali (edited February 03, 2002).]

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Dil he Pakistani:
                              what is the quality and reliability of the Indian Railway system ?? Do you have a class system ie 1st, 2nd and 3rd class tickets (sitting on roof). Also do steam trains still run on some of the lines. How modern is the railway stock. I dont know about india but Pakistans railways system needs modernisation.
                              http://www.indianrail.gov.in/

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