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    Iran courts Pakistan to counter US

    http://www.atimes.com/ind-pak/DA11Df02.html

    Iran courts Pakistan to counter US By Syed Saleem Shahzad

    KARACHI - A major breakthrough in Pakistan-Iran relations is expected within the next few weeks with either Iranian President Sayed Mohammad Khatami visiting Islamabad or his Pakistani counterpart President General Pervez Musharraf going to Tehran. The two countries, deeply concerned over the growing military build-up of the United States and its allies in South and Central Asia, are seeking stronger relations to counterbalance this influence. Iran was a part of the anti-Taliban and anti-Pakistan movement, with India and Russia, that led to the Northern Alliance taking Kandahar and Kabul in Afghanistan, but subsequent events have caused the leaders in Tehran to reassess the situation and wave the peace flag at Islamabad. Historically, Pakistan has had close geopolitical and cultural-religious linkages with Iran. However, strains in the relationship appeared in the past decade, and many Pakistanis suspect Iranian support for the sectarian violence that has plagued their country. After September 11, although Iran was anti-Taliban, it was cool towards the US military intervention in Afghanistan, concerns that were exacerbated with the rout of the Taliban and the subsequent installation of an interim administration in Kabul not to Iran's liking. In particular, acceptance by the new leader, Hamid Karzai, of foreign peace-keepers in Afghanistan irked Tehran. Sources say that during the recent visit of the Iranian Foreign Minister Kamal Kharazi to Pakistan, he emphasized that Pakistan and Iran should adopt a joint strategy on Afghanistan. He stressed that Iran would try to safeguard Pakistan's interests in Kabul. The Iranian minister traveled to Pakistan with a full delegation, including trade representatives. Iranian traders have in the past complained of the poor quality of exports from Pakistan - including rice - but Iran has now directed its commercial section in Islamabad to work with Pakistani trade bodies to introduce better quality control. Trade is viewed a a key element in restoring full trust and confidence between the countries. Sources say that over the past few weeks as tension between Pakistan and India has grown over the terror attacks on the Indian parliament, Musharraf and Khatami have been in constant touch through diplomatic channels and on the telephone. The Iranian president is said to have told Musharraf in categorical terms that in the event of an Indian-Pakistan war, Iran would support Pakistan. According to Iranian diplomatic sources, the upcoming high-level meetings in either Tehran or Islamabad would convey a loud and clear message to both the US and India that Iran-Pakistan relations were back on a sound footing. In return, Tehran is exerting pressure on Musharraf to back out of the US camp, into which he so readily jumped after September 11, and actively campaign for Washington to pull its forces out of the region and to prevent it from mounting similar anti-terror operations in say Iraq, Somalia or Sudan. In this new campaign, Iran is also likely to draw on the support of Libya, Syria, Iraq, Sudan and Saudi Arabia, using the Organization of Islamic Conference (OIC), the world's largest Islamic body, as a springboard. There are also signs that some Afghan groups will join in this anti-American initiative. Recently, the Hizb-i-Islami, whose chief Gulbuddin Hekmatyar lives in exile in Iran, sent a delegation to Kabul asking Karzai to take a policy stand against the US presence in Afghanistan. As was expected, the delegation returned empty-handed, after which Gulbuddin proclaimed a jihad against the Karzai administration. It is believed that Iran, and possibly its new ally Pakistan, would support such an uprising, as would many leaders of the Northern Alliance who have been excluded from the new regime in Kabul, such as legendary mujahideen Ismail Khan, who controls the Herat region of Afghanistan to the west of the country on the Iranian border. ((c)2001 Asia Times Online Co, Ltd. All rights reserved. Please contact [email protected] for information on our sales and syndication policies.)


    #2
    very good! now that russia and pakistan have taken their turn to mess up afghanistan, iran thinks now they should do a bit to help hikmatyar's jihad to become chief warlord of afghanistan. they also want pak to help iran to remove warlords of american choice and thrust their choice. reward is that they would help pak, meaning pak can keep a few planes parked in iran in event of war as in 71, i think. but there seems no end to afghan misery in sight. some neighbor or the other will not let them live normally.

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      #3
      Originally posted by ZZ:
      very good! now that russia and pakistan have taken their turn to mess up afghanistan, iran thinks now they should do a bit to help hikmatyar's jihad to become chief warlord of afghanistan. they also want pak to help iran to remove warlords of american choice and thrust their choice. reward is that they would help pak, meaning pak can keep a few planes parked in iran in event of war as in 71, i think. but there seems no end to afghan misery in sight. some neighbor or the other will not let them live normally.

      Are these more pearls of wisdom from hindu school of sanatized history when Pak flew its entire fleed to Iran. my my my my you hindus will never stop amazing the crap out of the universe. Carry on, as a matter of fact add that to your list of vijays..

      As for messing up Afghanistan hindus have a fair share screwing along with the drug runners.

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        #4
        with the Taleban gone there is no reason for relations not to return to normal between Iran and Pakistan. Trade will always play a major role, and with India encouraging ties with israel, it's hardly surprising that iran is keeping all options open.

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          #5
          Its always interesting to see how international politics influences international relations. Iran has been whining about problems with trade as well as Pakistan's intention to drill for oil in the deep sea - claiming we were violating our agreement - nevertheless Iran has been funding the shias and causing problems for us over the years.

          That said, a close relationship b/w the 2 governments will benefit both countries. Iran has to back up their words with action - if they are complaining about trade - then they may have a point - and we should attempt to address their problems - but they should also stop lobbying for a puppet in Kabul as well as to stop their support for secretarian violence in Pakistan.

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            #6
            Yasir,

            Get real, man. Dont bad mouth Iran.

            Iran is the motherland of the mother of PPP's mother

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              #7
              Don't trust the Iranians. They have no morals and allegiances. Their policy towards us has been "my enemy's enemy is my friend", hence its support for India.

              When it needs us, it plays the "we are muslim brothers" card. We should not fall for it. Pakistan is slowly but steadily carving a good image of itself on the international stage. The image will be tarnished if the West percieves us being close to Iran...look how we had to finally give up on Taliban when world opinion snow-balled. In the world of realpolitik, everything is in the national interest, forget religion and past ties.

              When Iran doesn't need us, it is busy cutting deals with India and Israel, and meddling internally. We should not get close to them anymore, trade with them by all means. Even the Arabs see Iranians as loose cannons. They don't fall for the "we are muslims" crap. The Gulf Arabs hate them for annexing three islands that historically belong to the UAE.

              Pakistan policy towards Iran should be based on what Iran can do for Pakistan, not the other way around. Iran needs Pakistan more than ever due to its isolation. It cannot afford to incur American wrath as it has seen that no-one will voice disagreement when America goes it alone. We should not feel the American heat if Iran cosies up to Pakistan.

              The previous post mentioned something about Iranian roots of PPP...enough said.

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                #8
                Iran courts Pakistan to counter US By Syed Saleem Shahzad

                "Iran is also likely to draw on the support of Libya, Syria, Iraq, Sudan and Saudi Arabia, using the Organization of Islamic Conference (OIC), the world's largest Islamic body, as a springboard"

                Get real.

                The above countries are pussies. Saudi Arabia currently is desparately fending off a sustained media assault on its policies and support for various muslim organisations. The Jewish lobby is winning and the Saudis have no chance. No muslim organisation can have a say on world matters in the current climate, despite what one woud like to believe. The recently concluded GCC (Gulf Cooperation Council) summit simply re-cycled previous statements and just condemned Israel, without taking any further measures such as re-instating the Israeli boycott. This despite all the evidence of Israeli escalation and brutality. Arabs will never get anywhere. The West are just waiting for their oil to finish or become uneconomic to pump, then you will see how the Arabs will be treated.

                Some muslim leaders we have. There will only be a real muslim voice when we have clear, respected leaders. That is not going to happen for another 10 odd years. Bush will be in power for another 7 years maximum so you can expect more of the same.

                [This message has been edited by alooparatha (edited January 11, 2002).]

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                  #9
                  I agree with Alooparatha. Pakistan should do whatever is necessary for our nation interests. The Iranians may have good intentions but their policies in the past have been in direct conflict with Pakistan.

                  If you will recall, Pakistan did the honorable thing by staying nuetral in the Iran-Iraq war while same could not be said about Iran. Iran sees itself as a protector of Shias worldwide, although there is nothing wrong with that, problems arise when Iranian policies start undermining other nations like Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon etc.

                  I think Alooparatha's statements openly lay out the realpolitiks of the region.


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                  The man for whom law exists - the man of forms, the conservative -is a tame man.
                  - Thoreau

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                    #10
                    it is also my grandma's land.

                    who be bad mouthing Iran here???

                    funny people mention Iran supporting terrorism in Pakistan, when most of the people dieing as victims of terrorism are Shias themselves, most recent case in point our Interior MInister Moinuddin Haider's own brother.

                    Shame on you people. Hope this bigotry improves with the Taliban out of the picture.

                    At any rate...Iran is our first and foremost ally and together we will accomplish great feats and tread on the paths yet uncharted...

                    Originally posted by FreeMind:
                    Yasir,

                    Get real, man. Dont bad mouth Iran.

                    Iran is the motherland of the mother of PPP's mother

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                      #11
                      Im not interested in her mother - Freemind - and as far as I know PPP has no mother... besides she's not an Iranian anymore.


                      Alizadeh - Shias have suffered no doubt but certain groups shias are as much as to blame as groups of sunnis for the secretarian violence. Where do you think they get their funds? Selling ice cream ?

                      [This message has been edited by Yasir - (edited January 12, 2002).]

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                        #12
                        Whoa freemind, you must be really upset?
                        How can Iran be our friend???
                        We are after a friend of the Satan Saudi Arabia.
                        This must just piss you off right???

                        As for Iran.
                        Yes we should use our own interests at hand.
                        1. getting cheap oil.
                        2. using them as a counter to India.
                        Iran has always had closer ties with India, just like Egypt.
                        So we should use them and lose them if need be.
                        They do the same to us.
                        I say you get what you deserve.
                        And the iranis if they mess with us internally again then they will be dealt it.

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                        Ours is not to reason why;
                        Ours is but to do and die
                        You can't fix stupid. So might as well troll them!

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                          #13
                          Iran was the first country to recongnize Pakistan.


                          originaly posted by abdali:
                          The Iranian president is said to have told Musharraf in categorical terms that in the event of an Indian-Pakistan war, Iran would support Pakistan.

                          [This message has been edited by cool down (edited January 13, 2002).]

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by CM:
                            Whoa freemind, you must be really upset?
                            How can Iran be our friend???
                            We are after a friend of the Satan Saudi Arabia.
                            This must just piss you off right???

                            As for Iran.
                            Yes we should use our own interests at hand.
                            1. getting cheap oil.
                            2. using them as a counter to India.
                            Iran has always had closer ties with India, just like Egypt.
                            So we should use them and lose them if need be.
                            They do the same to us.
                            I say you get what you deserve.
                            And the iranis if they mess with us internally again then they will be dealt it.


                            Bingo my sentiments exactly! Iran has fit the description of a "fair weather" friend down to the letter. They have their interests
                            in mind and we would be foolish if we didn't.


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                            The man for whom law exists - the man of forms, the conservative -is a tame man.
                            - Thoreau

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by RajputFury:

                              Bingo my sentiments exactly! Iran has fit the description of a "fair weather" friend down to the letter. They have their interests
                              in mind and we would be foolish if we didn't.
                              CM and u munnay

                              every country has its own interests. It is not kindergarden friendship game going on internation relations.

                              When pak needed Talibans, they were hitting Iranians friends in Afghanistan. When Saudis were playing their game in Afghanistan, pak was their friend, and now ever since 9/11, no one from saudi arab is not much bothered about pak.

                              Get out of this childish mentality of 'childhood/loyal friend' or 'langootia yaar'.

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