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    Bush and Blair delighted with Musharraf - Hindutvas left seething

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/kashmir/St...626452,00.html

    Militant's arrest raises hopes of new talks in Kashmir crisis

    US pressure helps India and Pakistan to cool war fever

    Nicholas Watt
    Tuesday January 1, 2002
    The Guardian

    India and Pakistan appeared to pull back from a threatened war yesterday after Islamabad arrested the militant leader alleged to have masterminded the gun attack on New Delhi's parliament that plunged the two nuclear states into their gravest crisis in 30 years.
    Under intense diplomatic pressure from Washington and London, both countries held out the prospect of talks between their two leaders at a regional summit in Nepal later this week.

    But while tensions have eased and the US president, George Bush, has praised his Pakistani counterpart, relations between the two south Asian neighbours remain poor.

    In a new year message written before Pakistan's arrest of its leading Islamist militant, the Indian leader, Atal Bihari Vajpayee, accuses his neigh bour of waging a proxy war by encouraging the militants who stormed parliament on December 13, killing nine Indians. The five attackers also died.

    "That the terrorists who stormed the precincts of parliament failed in their core objective ... cannot diminish the diabolical nature of the conspiracy hatched by their mentors across the border," he writes.

    And he tells Indians they must "realise that the battle against terrorism will necessarily be a long one".

    Such uncompromising words will not please the Pakistani leader, Pervez Musharraf, who bowed to international pressure on Sunday night and arrested Hafiz Mohammed Saeed, who until last week led the hardline Islamist group Lashkar-e-Toiba - alleged to have been one of two Pakistan-based groups behind the attack on the Indian parliament.

    But yesterday he received words of support from Mr Bush, currently on holiday at his Texas ranch. "He's cracking down hard," Mr Bush said of General Musharraf. "The fact that he is after terrorists is a good sign." From London, too, came endorsement. The for eign secretary, Jack Straw, telephoned his counterpart in Islamabad to convey congratulations on the arrest.

    The Indian foreign minister, Jaswant Singh, also took a more emollient tone than his prime minister, welcoming the arrest as a "step forward in the right direction". He was the one who raised the prospect of talks between Mr Vajpayee and Gen Musharraf at the regional summit in Kathmandu on Friday.

    This softening of the Indian position was immediately welcomed across the border in Pakistan. Aziz Ahmed Khan, a foreign ministry spokesman, said: "If there is a move from the Indian side we will certainly welcome it."

    The renewed focus on diplomacy raised hopes that India and Pakistan will avoid all-out war. After its parliament was attacked, India deployed additional troops in the disputed frontier area of Kashmir in what was said to be the biggest military buildup since the Indo-Pakistan war of 1971.

    Pakistani intelligence forces are suspected of sponsoring two groups - Lashkar-e-Toiba and Jaish-e-Mohammed - which want to see Kashmir prised from the control of India, which refuses to hold the referendum it promised decades ago to let Kashmiris decide on their status.

    These are also the two groups alleged by India to have organised the attack on its parliament.

    Despite some relaxation in tensions in the past two days, Indian and Pakistani troops continued to exchange fire in Kashmir yesterday, according to reports from the area which said villagers were having to flee their homes. Witnesses said that Indian forces fired mortar bombs into villages in the southern Kotli district of the part of Kashmir which is controlled by Pakistan.

    India claimed that one of its soldiers was killed and five were wounded when Pakistani troops opened fire across the line of control marking the disputed frontier in Kashmir.

    Pakistan's senior military spokesman, Major-General Rashid Qureshi, told BBC Radio: "If India makes the mistake of launching an attack, air, ground, on anything on the land frontier, or violates the air frontiers of Pakistan, Pakistan will respond in a reciprocal fashion."

    But London and Washington were hopeful the two countries would step back.

    Tony Blair and George Bush, who have pleaded for restraint, were said to be very encouraged by the arrest of Mr Saeed in Islamabad. He was charged with making inflammatory speeches and inciting people to violence.

    In southern Pakistan there were arrests of a further 22 followers of his Lashkar group and of the Jaish-e-Mohammed, whose leader - Maulana Masood Azhar - was picked up last week.

    Amid the unprecedented crackdown against militants in Pakistan, India said it had arrested a militant in New Delhi on Sunday night.

    The authorities alleged that Mohammed Yunus was carrying an 11lb explosive device, and had confessed that his Lashkar commanders in Pakistan had sent him to trigger the explosives in the Indian capital on New Year's Eve.

    India has handed Pakistan a list of 20 suspected militants it would like to see arrested.

    Meanwhile, US forces in Afghanistan confirmed yesterday that Pakistan had handed over to them 25 suspected al-Qaida fighters. In all 180 men believed to have been fighters for Osama bin Laden are in US custody.

    Admitting they made the mistake of neglecting the Indian sub-continent, London and Washington are planning to launch diplomatic initiatives in the region in the new year.


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    Musharraf has shown his determination to push for a secular Pakistan by arresting militant jihadis. Now perhaps the hardline fundamentalist Hindutva government in India can reciprocate by severely thrashing Bajrang Dal activists in India.


    #2
    Once again our great President, the victor of Kargil and Agra has outwitted our foes and made our nation proud. Whether it be domestically, regionally or internationally President Musharraf has successfully countered all designs and threats. In the end he has ensured that the nation of Pakistan stands tall in the international community, with ever greater respect and understanding. At the same time our ever unaccepting neighbours are left to climb down from their baravado and bombasity yet again. Now no doubt we will have their extremist, nationalist, religious fanatics even more bitter than before and planning more sinister moves internally and against Pakisatan. We must be on the watch for this, but with General Musharraf as the head of Pakistan we have no fear that we have the best leadership for our nation.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Andhra:
      >>Victor of Kargil!!
      500 coffins + 3000 body bags no more peaks 5353/5340 == Indian vijay.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Abdali:
        500 coffins + 3000 body bags no more peaks 5353/5340 == Indian vijay.
        Correct.
        India was shown to be a weakling.
        Their army sucks.
        Heck so far you have killed 25 of your own people and the war hasn't even started.

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        Ours is not to reason why;
        Ours is but to do and die
        You can't fix stupid. So might as well troll them!

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          #5
          rvikz,

          thas true hundreds not thousands and you know whats the irony it all happened on your turf by few hundred muj. still sitting on some of the captured peaks.

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            #6
            Rvikz you want us to believe NS?
            A corrupt politican who will do anything to deface the man who got rid of him???

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            Ours is not to reason why;
            Ours is but to do and die
            You can't fix stupid. So might as well troll them!

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              #7
              As for our war-mongers and zealots, the uneducated and ignorant majority, they should be informed by the government in power that India makes a formidable foe. Its armed forces are twice the size of ours, making it impossible for us to sustain a military conflict. Economically, if reserves are anything to go by, India is forty times our size. It is of no use us propagating the myth that one Pakistani soldier is equal in strength and courage to five Indian soldiers. Our retired generals, colonels, air marshals, wing-commanders, admirals and commodores do us a disservice when they air their views on the national media and relate how, whenever Muslims have gone to war, it has been against a foe far superior in number but their spirit of sacrifice and their valour have always made them victors. Wars now cannot be won without global sympathy and support. Propaganda must have credibility behind it.


              cowasjee

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                #8
                Originally posted by rvikz:
                As for our war-mongers and zealots, the uneducated and ignorant majority, they should be informed by the government in power that India makes a formidable foe. Its armed forces are twice the size of ours, making it impossible for us to sustain a military conflict. Economically, if reserves are anything to go by, India is forty times our size. It is of no use us propagating the myth that one Pakistani soldier is equal in strength and courage to five Indian soldiers. Our retired generals, colonels, air marshals, wing-commanders, admirals and commodores do us a disservice when they air their views on the national media and relate how, whenever Muslims have gone to war, it has been against a foe far superior in number but their spirit of sacrifice and their valour have always made them victors. Wars now cannot be won without global sympathy and support. Propaganda must have credibility behind it.


                cowasjee
                Your reserves are fourty times ours.. hmmmmm that tells me a lot I am already shaking in my shoes.

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                  #9
                  Link it rvikz.
                  Second again it is an opinion.
                  Factually it is correct.
                  But small forces have defeated large forces through bravery and valor.
                  It has happened in the past.
                  It can happen now.

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                  Ours is not to reason why;
                  Ours is but to do and die
                  You can't fix stupid. So might as well troll them!

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                    #10
                    Hey abdali how are you?
                    And what you doing up so early?

                    Rvikz lets not change the subject.
                    Bush and Blair are happy with the CE.
                    Indians are pissed that, this is true.
                    What do you say?

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                    Ours is not to reason why;
                    Ours is but to do and die
                    You can't fix stupid. So might as well troll them!

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by rvikz:
                      cowasjee
                      Either you are Ardeshir Cowasajee or as I have been saying you cut and paste from news articles and put them across as your own words.

                      Thank you for proving me right again.

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                        #12
                        ohhh rvikz you been found out!!

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                        Ours is not to reason why;
                        Ours is but to do and die
                        You can't fix stupid. So might as well troll them!

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by rvikz:
                          mallik please paste some article saying
                          kargil is idea of a brilliant mind.
                          show us statement of leaders around the world
                          saying kargil is brilliant and farreaching
                          in the history of pakistan.

                          [This message has been edited by rvikz (edited January 01, 2002).]
                          Rvikz stick to the topic svp.
                          This is not about Kargil.
                          But as a typical indian you are fixated on it.
                          Man we really hurt you guys during that period, thay you bring it up nearly 3 years later!!

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                          Ours is not to reason why;
                          Ours is but to do and die
                          You can't fix stupid. So might as well troll them!

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by CM:
                            ohhh rvikz you been found out!!

                            Well now we need to grant him political asylum.. How about witness protection program.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by rvikz:
                              mallik please paste some article saying
                              kargil is idea of a brilliant mind.
                              Do you need some article to confrim what the Indian government has admitted i.e. what Abdali said before 500 coffins + 3000 body bags no more peaks 5353/5340 == Indian vijay

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